Interesting thing about IS EF and EF-S lenses on the R7

[PhilOlenick]

Just got my R7 last week and was dismayed that the menu setting for turning standard IS (lens + IBIS) showed up when the kit RF-S lens was mounted but not when my EF and EF-S were on the R7 with the EF to RF adapter, only the setting for digital stabilization.

So I searched the manual for the word "stabilization" and found, on page 290 or 963, the following:

"When using IS lenses that do not have an IS switch, set [IS Mode] to [On]. Note that the [IS Mode] setting is not displayed when you are using IS lenses that have an IS switch. [Emphasis mine] In that case, setting the lens IS switch to <On> combines stabilization by the camera and lens."

The RF-S kit lens has no IS switch, which is why that menu item is displayed. All of my other lenses do have on-off switches for image stabilization - which is why that menu setting is not displayed when any of them is being used. The R7 does support their image stabilization - and supplement it with in-body sensor stabilization - it just doesn't have an on-screen switch for it because there's a slide switch on the lens for that

 

[Hsd1965]

Has been that way for all R models from the start.

The screen of the camera should show that IS is active (the hand symbol).

 

[KevinRA]

Just got my R7 last week and was dismayed that the menu setting for turning standard IS (lens + IBIS) showed up when the kit RF-S lens was mounted but not when my EF and EF-S were on the R7 with the EF to RF adapter, only the setting for digital stabilization.

So I searched the manual for the word "stabilization" and found, on page 290 or 963, the following:

"When using IS lenses that do not have an IS switch, set [IS Mode] to [On]. Note that the [IS Mode] setting is not displayed when you are using IS lenses that have an IS switch. [Emphasis mine] In that case, setting the lens IS switch to <On> combines stabilization by the camera and lens."

The RF-S kit lens has no IS switch, which is why that menu item is displayed. All of my other lenses do have on-off switches for image stabilization - which is why that menu setting is not displayed when any of them is being used. The R7 does support their image stabilization - and supplement it with in-body sensor stabilization - it just doesn't have an on-screen switch for it because there's a slide switch on the lens for that

Same on the R5. Only can turn the IBIS on/off in camera with a non IS lens.

You can force the menu item into the green favourites my menu 1 - greyed out though when an IS lens with IS switch on lens installed. So seems not possible to selectively have either IBIS or lens IS - both or none.

 

[Avenger20]

But isn't IBIS disabled when connecting a EF / EF-S lens with lens stabilisation? I thought they only both (IBIS + lens stabilisation) worked when a RF lens is connected.

 

[kikimora]

It isn't. In body stabilization is only disabled for those axes that are handled by in lens one.

 

[antonio-salieri]

But isn't IBIS disabled when connecting a EF / EF-S lens with lens stabilisation? I thought they only both (IBIS + lens stabilisation) worked when a RF lens is connected.

https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/stories/8-stops-image-stabilization/

The answer is that ALL lenses work with IBIS on R-series cameras, but the IBIS is used to add additional axes of stabilization on EF lenses, whereas on RF lenses it is also able to be used in order to enhance stabilization on the pitch/yaw axis.

Overall, an IBIS-enabled Canon body should provide more stabilization with an EF lens with OIS than a non-IBIS-enabled body would offer. But RF lenses can still offer superior IS.

(In practice, my two favorite lenses have no OIS and I use them with IBIS alone to great results — the RF 85mm f/1.2 and Sigma 135mm f/1.8.)

 

[PhilOlenick]

Thanks! The R7 is my first R - I'm coming from an 80D, and before that a 70D and a string of Digital Rebels, which succeeded my 35 years with a Canon FT-QL, a 35mm SLR.

Canon really should make this more obvious and not bury it a quarter of the way into a thousand page manual! I was on the verge of selling all of my EF and EF-S lenses, since I insist on having image stabilization!

 

[Pipps]

You will see a hand icon that shows IS is active, the hand with a + next to it means it is working in tandem with the IS on the lens for enhanced IS. (RF IS lenses that support it)

 

[KevinRA]

Thanks! The R7 is my first R - I'm coming from an 80D, and before that a 70D and a string of Digital Rebels, which succeeded my 35 years with a Canon FT-QL, a 35mm SLR.

Canon really should make this more obvious and not bury it a quarter of the way into a thousand page manual! I was on the verge of selling all of my EF and EF-S lenses, since I insist on having image stabilization!

Don't do that! IBIS + lens IS works great ;-)

As do EF / EF-S lenses on R mount - so much that I don't actually own any RF glass yet.

 

[Victor Engel]

But isn't IBIS disabled when connecting a EF / EF-S lens with lens stabilisation? I thought they only both (IBIS + lens stabilisation) worked when a RF lens is connected.

Coordinated control works only with RF lenses, because it requires more bandwidth that is provided by the RF mount and not the EF mount.

 

[BigBen08]

But isn't IBIS disabled when connecting a EF / EF-S lens with lens stabilisation? I thought they only both (IBIS + lens stabilisation) worked when a RF lens is connected.

https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/stories/8-stops-image-stabilization/



The answer is that ALL lenses work with IBIS on R-series cameras, but the IBIS is used to add additional axes of stabilization on EF lenses, whereas on RF lenses it is also able to be used in order to enhance stabilization on the pitch/yaw axis.

Overall, an IBIS-enabled Canon body should provide more stabilization with an EF lens with OIS than a non-IBIS-enabled body would offer. But RF lenses can still offer superior IS.

(In practice, my two favorite lenses have no OIS and I use them with IBIS alone to great results — the RF 85mm f/1.2 and Sigma 135mm f/1.8.)

Thanks for the very good link. I didn't see this on the Canon USA site.

I have the R7, 300 f2.8 IS II that I use for aircraft in flight. Let's say I'm panning an airplane that's flying straight & level, from left to right in front of me. My camera movement to follow that plane would be considered YAW, correct?

According to the chart, only optical IS of the lens provides IS during YAW. Do I have that right?

Last question, I understand what pitch/yaw and roll are. But what is X/Y movement?

Thanks in advance.





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[Victor Engel]

But isn't IBIS disabled when connecting a EF / EF-S lens with lens stabilisation? I thought they only both (IBIS + lens stabilisation) worked when a RF lens is connected.

https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/stories/8-stops-image-stabilization/



The answer is that ALL lenses work with IBIS on R-series cameras, but the IBIS is used to add additional axes of stabilization on EF lenses, whereas on RF lenses it is also able to be used in order to enhance stabilization on the pitch/yaw axis.

Overall, an IBIS-enabled Canon body should provide more stabilization with an EF lens with OIS than a non-IBIS-enabled body would offer. But RF lenses can still offer superior IS.

(In practice, my two favorite lenses have no OIS and I use them with IBIS alone to great results — the RF 85mm f/1.2 and Sigma 135mm f/1.8.)

Thanks for the very good link. I didn't see this on the Canon USA site.

I have the R7, 300 f2.8 IS II that I use for aircraft in flight. Let's say I'm panning an airplane that's flying straight & level, from left to right in front of me. My camera movement to follow that plane would be considered YAW, correct?

According to the chart, only optical IS of the lens provides IS during YAW. Do I have that right?

Last question, I understand what pitch/yaw and roll are. But what is X/Y movement?

Thanks in advance.

Pitch, roll, and yaw are rotational. X/Y is translation. In lenses it is mostly macro lenses that implement correction for that (100 mm macro for example). For your situation it would be insignificant.

Did you see this illustration?





Pitch, roll, and yaw are rotations centered on the camera. X and Y are up/down left/right shifts of the camera, when become important at very close distances.

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Victor Engel

 

[BigBen08]

But isn't IBIS disabled when connecting a EF / EF-S lens with lens stabilisation? I thought they only both (IBIS + lens stabilisation) worked when a RF lens is connected.

https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/stories/8-stops-image-stabilization/



The answer is that ALL lenses work with IBIS on R-series cameras, but the IBIS is used to add additional axes of stabilization on EF lenses, whereas on RF lenses it is also able to be used in order to enhance stabilization on the pitch/yaw axis.

Overall, an IBIS-enabled Canon body should provide more stabilization with an EF lens with OIS than a non-IBIS-enabled body would offer. But RF lenses can still offer superior IS.

(In practice, my two favorite lenses have no OIS and I use them with IBIS alone to great results — the RF 85mm f/1.2 and Sigma 135mm f/1.8.)

Thanks for the very good link. I didn't see this on the Canon USA site.

I have the R7, 300 f2.8 IS II that I use for aircraft in flight. Let's say I'm panning an airplane that's flying straight & level, from left to right in front of me. My camera movement to follow that plane would be considered YAW, correct?

According to the chart, only optical IS of the lens provides IS during YAW. Do I have that right?

Last question, I understand what pitch/yaw and roll are. But what is X/Y movement?

Thanks in advance.

Pitch, roll, and yaw are rotational. X/Y is translation. In lenses it is mostly macro lenses that implement correction for that (100 mm macro for example). For your situation it would be insignificant.

Did you see this illustration?



Pitch, roll, and yaw are rotations centered on the camera. X and Y are up/down left/right shifts of the camera, when become important at very close distances.

--
Victor Engel

Yes, I did see the illustration. But I wasn't clear about the X/Y movement. I was thinking it was similar to yaw. Your answer helped, thanks.

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My best aviation photos: https://500px.com/kenfm2018

 

[RRomeo]

I'm thinking to buy an R7 to replace my old 550D with the EF-S 18-135 kit lens, but it's quite expensive, so can you help me what do I exactly lose by not buying the new RF kit lenses with it, keeping my old kit lens and using the adapter? Image stabilization will be worse?

 

[PhilOlenick]

Has been that way for all R models from the start.

If you're someone who already has a R model you may have known this already - but for someone coming from a Canon DSLR with some stabilized EF and EF-S lenses, this is not self-evident.

I suspect that there are more R7's being bought by folks coming from crop-sensor DSLRs as their first mirrorless camera than as second bodies by owners of R models.

The screen of the camera should show that IS is active (the hand symbol).

That, however, is useful information for anyone with an R7.

 

[PhilOlenick]

I'm thinking to buy an R7 to replace my old 550D with the EF-S 18-135 kit lens, but it's quite expensive, so can you help me what do I exactly lose by not buying the new RF kit lenses with it, keeping my old kit lens and using the adapter? Image stabilization will be worse?

I came to the R7 from an 80D which I used with the EF-S 18-135 kit lens, and which I intended to use with the adapter and buy the R7 body only.

I ordered the R7 body as soon as it was announced, but by early August had discovered that no one - not even Canon's own online store - had the body only version in stock.

So I called the dealer that had me on a waiting list for the body and changed my order to include the kit lens. They shipped it to me the same day and I got it a few days later.

I discovered that the tiny and light RF-S kit lens was a wonder - I idly snapped a shot at 150mm of my piano 20 feet away and found that the sheet music on the piano was perfectly sharp even though it only took up a tiny section of the corner of the image.

This walk-around kit takes very nice pictures, and is smaller even than my 40 year-old Canon FT-QL with 85mm f/1.8 - while my Canon DSLRs got progressively larger over time.

At this point I'm holding my old 18-135 in reserve for video use, since I have the motor drive for its zoom.

 

[BirdManPhilWA]

Hi all,

I just got an R7 and am waiting for the EF->R adapter to be able to use my EF lenses.



Can I assume (yeah, a problematic word) that my old Canon 500mm with NO image stabilization will be fine mated with the adapter to the R7?

I have a 24-105 and a 100-400 that I expect will be fine, but also wonder about my old EFs like 28mm, 35mm, 50mm will work ok?

Thanks in advance,

Phil

 

[Victor Engel]

Hi all,

I just got an R7 and am waiting for the EF->R adapter to be able to use my EF lenses.

Can I assume (yeah, a problematic word) that my old Canon 500mm with NO image stabilization will be fine mated with the adapter to the R7?

I have a 24-105 and a 100-400 that I expect will be fine, but also wonder about my old EFs like 28mm, 35mm, 50mm will work ok?

Thanks in advance,

Phil

They will work perfectly, assuming there is nothing wrong with the lenses.

 

[R2D2]

Hi all,

I just got an R7 and am waiting for the EF->R adapter to be able to use my EF lenses.

Can I assume (yeah, a problematic word) that my old Canon 500mm with NO image stabilization will be fine mated with the adapter to the R7?

I have a 24-105 and a 100-400 that I expect will be fine, but also wonder about my old EFs like 28mm, 35mm, 50mm will work ok?

Thanks in advance,

Phil

Welcome to the forum!

Can we assume that you mean the Canon EF 500mm f/4.5L lens? (I don't see it listed in your equip list).

There is a Supplement (not provided in the manual) which lists a lot of the various feature compatibilities (and incompatibilities). ie: a lot of the older EF lenses aren't compatible with some of the R-Series features such as max burst (H+) framerate, AF area coverage, full-time manual focus, etc. I suspect that your lens will be limited in some ways.

This should help...

https://cam.start.canon/en/H001/index.html

Enjoy your new camera! Holler back if any other questions come up.

R2

 

[Victor Engel]

Hi all,

I just got an R7 and am waiting for the EF->R adapter to be able to use my EF lenses.

Can I assume (yeah, a problematic word) that my old Canon 500mm with NO image stabilization will be fine mated with the adapter to the R7?

I have a 24-105 and a 100-400 that I expect will be fine, but also wonder about my old EFs like 28mm, 35mm, 50mm will work ok?

Thanks in advance,

Phil

Welcome to the forum!

Can we assume that you mean the Canon EF 500mm f/4.5L lens? (I don't see it listed in your equip list).

There is a Supplement (not provided in the manual) which lists a lot of the various feature compatibilities (and incompatibilities). ie: a lot of the older EF lenses aren't compatible with some of the R-Series features such as max burst (H+) framerate, AF area coverage, full-time manual focus, etc. I suspect that your lens will be limited in some ways.

This should help...

https://cam.start.canon/en/H001/index.html

Enjoy your new camera! Holler back if any other questions come up.

R2

It's interesting to see my 200mm f/1.8 lens (discontinued in 2003) is on more than one of those lists.