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Why can’t Sony or Panasonic make RAW editing pointless by releasing a consumer point and shoot with professional-quality color science and tonality in the Jpegs?
 
I’m by no means an expert here but I would have thought that the jpegs produced by Sony and Panasonic were already as good as the scientists at those companies can make them. I’m not sure what you mean by ‘professional’. In my experience, this is a much-misused word!
 
So what you want is for Sony and Panasonic to fine tune their JPEGs to your own liking ?

What about the other brands ?

If you don't get my point, post a link to a RAW file and then ask the many pros here to produce a JPEG from it.

Expect a slightly different rendition from each ; so which one would be the "right" one ?
 
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In what way is that not already the case?
 
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Why can’t Sony or Panasonic make RAW editing pointless by releasing a consumer point and shoot with professional-quality color science and tonality in the Jpegs?
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Because the decisions made by the software in camera simply cannot anticipate all the variables that must be accounted for during post processing. A trained eye with a proper raw processor will do a much better job in nearly every case. Granted, in some cases the jpg files created are very good, but shooting raw and processing is better.
 
I think the OP is talking about computational photography.
 
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I only have limited experience with either of these two brands, with maybe a bit more on my Panasonic camera than on the Sony's I have owned, and find that Panasonic seems to offer more adjustable user customer preference than any other brand I own. The options are quite extensive. Discussions on these forums and personal interaction indicate that it's likely that very few of us completely agree with each other when it comes to what we expect to see in the jpegs sooc or on the settings in camera to create this. That's why these adjustment possibilities are valuable to me. Others will prefer to shoot in RAW and fix every shot on an individual basis. You pick which suits your desires best. The choices are almost endless.
 
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I think the OP is talking about computational photography.
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I think so too, but I am not sure that the OP understands the sort of AI techniques used in PP: HDR, focus stacking, image stacking for increased resolution, image stacking for noise reduction, noise reduction by AI etc. Many of these are already available in SOOC JPEGs, but I can't think of any that affect colours and tonality (whatever the OP means by that).
 
Al-1119 said:
Why can’t Sony or Panasonic make RAW editing pointless by releasing a consumer point and shoot with professional-quality color science and tonality in the Jpegs?
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If all makers did this it would virtually eliminate the need for professional photographers.
 
Al-1119 said:
Why can’t Sony or Panasonic make RAW editing pointless by releasing a consumer point and shoot with professional-quality color science and tonality in the Jpegs?
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It's only a snapshot of a flower but, other than cropping, it's a straight out of the camera JPEG from a 10-year-old Sony camera.




It may not be perfect, and not to everyone's taste, but good enough that I didn't see any reason to make changes.




I think Fuji has the best JPEG engine, but don't think Sony is all that bad.

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tony field said:
Al-1119 said:
Why can’t Sony or Panasonic make RAW editing pointless by releasing a consumer point and shoot with professional-quality color science and tonality in the Jpegs?
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If all makers did this it would virtually eliminate the need for professional photographers.
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You think all pro photographers do is adjust photo colors?
 
Al-1119 said:
Why can’t Sony or Panasonic make RAW editing pointless by releasing a consumer point and shoot with professional-quality color science and tonality in the Jpegs?
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Well, that would probably prevent most people here from amateur to professional from buying them, since we want control over our photos at least some of the time. And prefer not to delegate that to some engineer at Sony or Panasonic. So I expect that's what's stopping them from removing raw support.
 
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Why can’t Sony or Panasonic make RAW editing pointless ...
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Nothing can make that 'pointless' for those who know what they want and how to get it.
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by releasing a consumer point and shoot with professional-quality color science and tonality in the Jpegs?
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They're already available from many manufacturers for those who prefer in-camera JPEGs (and vague terms to associate with them).
 
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Certainly many of the techniques you describe affect the *appearance* of colors in a processed image. The colors from an iPhone image in particular, which look to be the most highly processed computationally of the phones I know, tend to look very different from those taken of the same scene with one of my older cameras set up to produce a more neutral jpeg. Heck, the pictures from a newer iPhone at base settings look different from pictures taken of the same scene the same way with my much more modest Pixel 3a. I have to jack my images up quite a bit in post to get the two to match more closely.

What happens in computational photography has a lot to do with the tastes of the software developers, or, perhaps more accurately, the tastes of the potential customers as estimated by the manufacturer's marketing department.
 
Al-1119 said:
Why can’t Sony or Panasonic make RAW editing pointless by releasing a consumer point and shoot with professional-quality color science and tonality in the Jpegs?
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What does that mean? What is professional quality "color science"? Color science is a term misused by photographers and has nothing to do with the way cameras produce colors. It has to do with the perception of color. What you are saying could be said about every camera manufacturer. People that use Fuji, Pentax, Nikon, Canon, and Olympus also shoot RAW to get the best results.
 
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tony field said:
Al-1119 said:
Why can’t Sony or Panasonic make RAW editing pointless by releasing a consumer point and shoot with professional-quality color science and tonality in the Jpegs?
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If all makers did this it would virtually eliminate the need for professional photographers.
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You think all pro photographers do is adjust photo colors?
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If you want to play with words...

Photoshop or other editors (including all magical software) can only modify, add, delete colour in a working colour space like sRGB, CMYK,LAB, or other. All photographers, pro or amateur, can only adjust colour in an image.
 
Yes what does professional even mean? It means something different to every photographer. Maybe they could hold a contest and have users send in pics they like from their favorite pros and they could take the ten most popular and make those into a preset that one could choose to have their files look like. Man, can you just imagine the over saturated mess that would be?!? LoL

John
 
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