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The power zoom and de-clicked aperture ring are key selling features of this lens. It is also tiny and light. I got mine a couple of weeks ago and have had a chance to play with it on an a7iv and an a7Riv. Much is made of the great sharpness of this lens. It is important not confuse contrast with sharpness and the ability to render detail. Personally, I was quite disappointed in the sharpness of this lens. I had a Nikon afs 12 - 24 and a Rokinon 14mm af 2.8 for comparison at the widest end. The Nikon was about the same, but the cheapie Rokinon is best. At 16mm, this lens is great in the the biggest circle, but the corners are all stretched and distorted. At 24mm, this lens is OK, but old standards like the Minolta Rokkor 24mm are much sharper. Of course the 24mm 1.4 GM is light years better. At 35mm, it is sharpest, but nothing special. All in all, it is the zoom feature that sells this lens. If you can live without a power zoom, look for a 2.8, like the new Sigma. (Made in Japan!)
 
Guess this lens is made mainly for videographers wanting a small, light weight and handy PZ lens. Not for one wanting GM sharpness from a compact zoom lens.

The review seems to be more about what the lens is not, than what the lens is.

Your remark about distortion in the extreme corners at the wider settings is odd.

This is a rectilinear lens and distortion towards the extreme corners is part of how this kind of lens works. Want no stretching towards the extreme corners? Go for a fish eye lens (and accept a different kind of distortion).
 
Your review seems to be in disagreement with experienced reviewer Marc Alhadeff’s evaluation of this lens which includes numerous sample photos:


Other reviewers have also found this lens to be very sharp.

When you look at this comparison


you will see that the Samyang (Rokinon) 14 f/2.8 is not sharp.

Perhaps you have a bad copy of the Sony? Could you post sample photos from the Sony and Rokinon of the same subject? Thanks.
 
Your review seems to be in disagreement with experienced reviewer Marc Alhadeff’s evaluation of this lens which includes numerous sample photos:

https://sonyalpha.blog/2022/05/10/sony-pz-16-35mm-f4-g/

Other reviewers have also found this lens to be very sharp.

When you look at this comparison

https://sonyalpha.blog/2019/11/10/which-lenses-to-maximise-the-potential-of-the-sony-a7riv/

you will see that the Samyang (Rokinon) 14 f/2.8 is not sharp.

Perhaps you have a bad copy of the Sony? Could you post sample photos from the Sony and Rokinon of the same subject? Thanks.
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Bad sample?

Sharpness-wise mine is excellent, even compared to good primes. Sharpness wide open is already very good, with f/5.6 usually being the best and going slightly down at f/8.0. I haven't decided yet if it has good microcontrast, but its sharpness really isn't a limit.
 
Your review seems to be in disagreement with experienced reviewer Marc Alhadeff’s evaluation of this lens which includes numerous sample photos:

https://sonyalpha.blog/2022/05/10/sony-pz-16-35mm-f4-g/

Other reviewers have also found this lens to be very sharp.

When you look at this comparison

https://sonyalpha.blog/2019/11/10/which-lenses-to-maximise-the-potential-of-the-sony-a7riv/

you will see that the Samyang (Rokinon) 14 f/2.8 is not sharp.

Perhaps you have a bad copy of the Sony? Could you post sample photos from the Sony and Rokinon of the same subject? Thanks.
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Bad sample?

Sharpness-wise mine is excellent, even compared to good primes. Sharpness wide open is already very good, with f/5.6 usually being the best and going slightly down at f/8.0. I haven't decided yet if it has good microcontrast, but its sharpness really isn't a limit.
Good to hear that. I plan to buy one when they are back in stock.
 
Your review seems to be in disagreement with experienced reviewer Marc Alhadeff’s evaluation of this lens which includes numerous sample photos:

https://sonyalpha.blog/2022/05/10/sony-pz-16-35mm-f4-g/

Other reviewers have also found this lens to be very sharp.

When you look at this comparison

https://sonyalpha.blog/2019/11/10/which-lenses-to-maximise-the-potential-of-the-sony-a7riv/

you will see that the Samyang (Rokinon) 14 f/2.8 is not sharp.

Perhaps you have a bad copy of the Sony? Could you post sample photos from the Sony and Rokinon of the same subject? Thanks.
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Bad sample?

Sharpness-wise mine is excellent, even compared to good primes. Sharpness wide open is already very good, with f/5.6 usually being the best and going slightly down at f/8.0. I haven't decided yet if it has good microcontrast, but its sharpness really isn't a limit.
I've had the lens for a few weeks, and my impressions are somewhere between the OP and sonyalphablog. Central sharpness is fine, but edges and corners are a bit soft at wider focal lengths. I compared it to the Sony 20G lens, and the prime was a good bit better at the edges. I also compared it to the 35mm f/1.8 Samyang I have, and the zoom held it's own. Maybe even a little better than the Samyang.

I do need to get out and do some more shooting. I'm still in the return period. One of the biggest plus of the lens is the size/weight. Even lighter than the 20. Hate to give that up. I don't do much video, so some of those features don't matter to me, but I'm completely fine with the power zoom operation.
 
I have had quite a bit of time with the lens now. I don't think it's character is about specific build quality. It works great as a video lens because it slightly crops the corners. As a stills lens, the corners are stretched dramatically in distortion. It may be just a limitation of the focal length, but the Rokinon 14mm I sold to partially pay for this lens was better in the far corners. Of course comparing a zoom to a fixed lens isn't fair. As for "sharpness", the lens does appear to be very "sharp". There is great contrast and wonderful edge sharpness, but the micro details are missing compared to other lenses I've experienced. So for video it works very well, but not quite what I had hoped. For comparison, an old 20mm 2.8 Minolta AF feels sharper. All things said and done, often more is said than done!
 
I have had quite a bit of time with the lens now. I don't think it's character is about specific build quality. It works great as a video lens because it slightly crops the corners. As a stills lens, the corners are stretched dramatically in distortion. It may be just a limitation of the focal length, but the Rokinon 14mm I sold to partially pay for this lens was better in the far corners. Of course comparing a zoom to a fixed lens isn't fair. As for "sharpness", the lens does appear to be very "sharp". There is great contrast and wonderful edge sharpness, but the micro details are missing compared to other lenses I've experienced. So for video it works very well, but not quite what I had hoped. For comparison, an old 20mm 2.8 Minolta AF feels sharper. All things said and done, often more is said than done!
You should not really expect a UW zoom on a UW prime level, A UW prime will almost always have better extreme corners, it will always have less distortion and if you correct it will obviously have less effect. The GM14 vs every lens covering 14mm show the same thing compared to every zoom covering that range better extreme corners and less distortion.

In zooms where it needs to cover more range there will always be some compromises in corner sharpness and there will always be some slight differences across the range also there bound to be more distortion then a prime, this is even true with 24-70GM ii and 70-200 GM ii, in the latter it just benefit for covering a range that is some of the easiest to make tac sharp, why 70-200mm are generally the sharpest zooms and why the difference are less pronounced then the other but even then a GM135 and Samyang 135 obviously have better corners if you investigate it. Tele range is probably the only range where you can truly say about any zoom it’s like carrying a bunch of primes.

In regards to 24GM and 35GM these are noticeable better then the GM 24-70 ii especially in corners, you can also find other cheaper primes where that will be true, the difference I seem between the GM 24-70 ii and the 16-35 G PZ are very, very minor and probably not something you ever going to notice in print.

The Pz 16-35 is sharp for what it is a zoom covering UW and W range, also lenses are bound to be noticeable distorted at 16-20mm range.

The 20G is also noticeable better then 14-24 Art, GM16-35, GM12-24 at 20mm if you want the best performance primes are unrivalled well at least until you hit the 70-200mm GM ii.

That said stop them down and much of primes advantage starts fading at f8-11 where you typically shoot things like landscape it’s generally not huge difference and you will find it hard to pick the odd one out in triangular test in print. You mostly see the difference because you massively pixel peep and even that isn’t without problems as making a reliable sharpness test isn’t without issues. Why we always should back up with lab test as difference sometimes is down to user error or bad luck in terms of a below average copy.
 
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I have had quite a bit of time with the lens now. I don't think it's character is about specific build quality. It works great as a video lens because it slightly crops the corners. As a stills lens, the corners are stretched dramatically in distortion. It may be just a limitation of the focal length, but the Rokinon 14mm I sold to partially pay for this lens was better in the far corners. Of course comparing a zoom to a fixed lens isn't fair. As for "sharpness", the lens does appear to be very "sharp". There is great contrast and wonderful edge sharpness, but the micro details are missing compared to other lenses I've experienced. So for video it works very well, but not quite what I had hoped. For comparison, an old 20mm 2.8 Minolta AF feels sharper. All things said and done, often more is said than done!
You should not really expect a UW zoom on a UW prime level, A UW prime will almost always have better extreme corners, it will always have less distortion and if you correct it will obviously have less effect. The GM14 vs every lens covering 14mm show the same thing compared to every zoom covering that range better extreme corners and less distortion.

In zooms where it needs to cover more range there will always be some compromises in corner sharpness and there will always be some slight differences across the range also there bound to be more distortion then a prime, this is even true with 24-70GM ii and 70-200 GM ii, in the latter it just benefit for covering a range that is some of the easiest to make tac sharp, why 70-200mm are generally the sharpest zooms and why the difference are less pronounced then the other but even then a GM135 and Samyang 135 obviously have better corners if you investigate it. Tele range is probably the only range where you can truly say about any zoom it’s like carrying a bunch of primes.

In regards to 24GM and 35GM these are noticeable better then the GM 24-70 ii especially in corners, you can also find other cheaper primes where that will be true, the difference I seem between the GM 24-70 ii and the 16-35 G PZ are very, very minor and probably not something you ever going to notice in print.

The Pz 16-35 is sharp for what it is a zoom covering UW and W range, also lenses are bound to be noticeable distorted at 16-20mm range.

The 20G is also noticeable better then 14-24 Art, GM16-35, GM12-24 at 20mm if you want the best performance primes are unrivalled well at least until you hit the 70-200mm GM ii.

That said stop them down and much of primes advantage starts fading at f8-11 where you typically shoot things like landscape it’s generally not huge difference and you will find it hard to pick the odd one out in triangular test in print. You mostly see the difference because you massively pixel peep and even that isn’t without problems as making a reliable sharpness test isn’t without issues. Why we always should back up with lab test as difference sometimes is down to user error or bad luck in terms of a below average copy.
I don't think you even need to stop them down that far to see some parity, my 17-28 (at ~20mm) is remarkably close to my 20/1.8 G by f4-5.6, reviews like Optical Limits' seem to back that up. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sigma 14-24 DN rivals any of the UWA primes at similar stopped down f-stops (maybe just not the 24GM since the UWA zooms tend to be weakest at the long end).

I actually think primes at more normal FLs (24-85) often have more of an edge on zooms than at UWA FLs... Whether anyone needs or leverages those sharpness differences is another story.
 
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