Z9 NEV Trashes my New 32GB MS Surface Studio Laptop & 64GB ROG for MAC M1 Ultra/Max

[skmadapatu]

Let me know if you have any solution to edit the Z9 NEV (8K) files using the Windows laptop.

If I want to edit Z9 NEV files, it looks like I need to spend another 5K. Davinci is sorrily returning my $'s back. If I want to edit Z9 NEV files, I was told to trash my 32GB MS Surface Studio Laptop & 64GB ROG and move on to Desktop or MAC M1 Ultra/Max

After about a week's wait and escalation, finally, Nikon support answered me, saying, "Editing of this file type is very limited with NX Studio currently. You will need a video editing application to fully edit 8K video. "

So last night, I bought Davinci's "DaVinci Resolve Studio." Since I was having issues with both my laptops, I reached out to Davinci support, and they are returning my $'s back, saying my Windows laptop cannot handle it. They want me to buy a Desktop or MAC M1 Ultra/Max.

I got the highest configuration MS Surface Studio Laptop:

Processor 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11370H @ 3.30GHz 3.30 GHz

Installed RAM 32.0 GB (31.8 GB usable)

• NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050Ti laptop GPU with 4GB GDDR6 GPU memory

My other Laptop is a ROG G701VO (i7-6820HK CPU @ 2.70GH, 64GB RAM)

Sincerely,

Saji







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Camera Specialization: Nikon Z9, Sony A1, D850, D5, D810, D800E, Sony Nex-7, Nikon D4S
Lenses: Nikon NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S,
Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/2.8 S, Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II, 24-70mm f/2.8, 14mm F2.8, 150-600MM, Macro Lenses

 

[j_photo]

DaVinci relies heavily on the computer's graphic processor. So for anything but small files, it quickly bogs down, as you have seen. I'm not a heavy video user but one of the reasons I upgraded my desktop computer last year was so that I could work with larger video files in DaVinci. Hopefully others more knowledgeable than I can provide more suggestions.

 

[Willcook21]

If you want something to nimbly handle editing & playback of 8K footage, then you're going to need far more GPU power than your laptop-class 3050ti and it's 4gb of video memory will provide. All that RAM is one thing, but for video editing software typically leverages the GPU for editing tasks - and this extends beyond just video encoding.

The new M1 chips were designed to handle 8K editing with ease, at least with Apple's ProRes codec. DaVinci Resolve was also recently updated in order to make the most of those chips specifically, so their M1 recommendation is inline with their most recent performance changes.

If you are really (and I mean REALLY) keen on working with those 8K files, then a desktop rig with a very strong GPU - like a Nvidia 3080ti or even a 3090 or one of those new M1 Macs mentioned is likely your best option. But it's hard to saw, since I myself have only ever worked with 4K footage (and never RAW)

 

[greendog]

I understand wanting to use the 8k files natively, but a proxy workflow would benefit you greatly here. Even for 4k footage, you would want to use a proxy workflow. And yes, I understand the manufacturers and chipmakers all say they design their products for 4k/ 8k, but in the real world it will be hard to actually edit with those native files.

 

[skmadapatu]

I finally got the follow-up feedback after escalation:

>>There are two GPU's on your computer, so you must've been looking at the RAM of the Intel GPU and not the Nvidia GPU. Unfortunately, we are unable to troubleshoot DaVinci Resolve Studio 18, as it's currently in Beta. If you roll back to version 17.4.6 and the issue persists, then I can escalate the issue to a Resolve Specialist.<<

I am a bit relieved to hear from Davinci that I may not need to trash my laptops.

It may be a potential BUG with "DaVinci Resolve Studio 18" - not able to recognize the Nvidia GPU

 

[skmadapatu]

DaVinci relies heavily on the computer's graphic processor. So for anything but small files, it quickly bogs down, as you have seen. I'm not a heavy video user but one of the reasons I upgraded my desktop computer last year was so that I could work with larger video files in DaVinci. Hopefully others more knowledgeable than I can provide more suggestions.

I appreciate your kind reply. Since I am Nomad with my consulting work, the desktop is not an ideal option. Last year bought the Mac Book Max for a while and I returned it since I liked the Studio Laptop better, especially with its touch screen.

I am a bit relieved to hear from Davinci that I may not need to trash my laptops.

It may be a potential BUG with "DaVinci Resolve Studio 18" - not able to recognize the Nvidia GPU

 

[skmadapatu]

If you want something to nimbly handle editing & playback of 8K footage, then you're going to need far more GPU power than your laptop-class 3050ti and it's 4gb of video memory will provide. All that RAM is one thing, but for video editing software typically leverages the GPU for editing tasks - and this extends beyond just video encoding.

The new M1 chips were designed to handle 8K editing with ease, at least with Apple's ProRes codec. DaVinci Resolve was also recently updated in order to make the most of those chips specifically, so their M1 recommendation is inline with their most recent performance changes.
If you are really (and I mean REALLY) keen on working with those 8K files, then a desktop rig with a very strong GPU - like a Nvidia 3080ti or even a 3090 or one of those new M1 Macs mentioned is likely your best option. But it's hard to saw, since I myself have only ever worked with 4K footage (and never RAW)

Dear Will,

I appreciate your wisdom. From last weekend alone, I do have ~10TB of Memphis in May Music Festival 8K 10P NEV files. This weekend I will get even more footage from International Blues Challenge at Beal Street (expecting at least 25 TB - I got 7TB of CFExpress B cards).

I am just volunteering for the passion, and I can take the time to edit those files as I wish. Last year I returned the Mac Book M1 Max. It looks like I needed to pre-order Mac Book Ultra when Apple launches it

For the time being. I am a bit relieved to hear from Davinci that I may not need to trash my laptops.

It may be a potential BUG with "DaVinci Resolve Studio 18" - not able to recognize the Nvidia GPU.

Sincerely,

Saji

 

[skmadapatu]

I understand wanting to use the 8k files natively, but a proxy workflow would benefit you greatly here. Even for 4k footage, you would want to use a proxy workflow. And yes, I understand the manufacturers and chipmakers all say they design their products for 4k/ 8k, but in the real world it will be hard to actually edit with those native file.

Thank you for your kind reply. YES, I agree that proxy should be used for faster processing.

Let me admit that I am not a PRO, last night was the first time I was exploring the DaVinci. To begin with, I tried with the smallest file - less than 10 seconds 8K 60P file (6GB). Anything over 4K was giving me that error and this morning the application was crashing too.

For the time being. I am a bit relieved to hear from Davinci that I may not need to trash my laptops.

It may be a potential BUG with "DaVinci Resolve Studio 18" - not able to recognize the Nvidia GPU.

Sincerely,

Saji

--
Camera Specialization: Nikon Z9, Sony A1, D850, D5, D810, D800E, Sony Nex-7, Nikon D4S
Lenses: Nikon NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S,
Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/2.8 S, Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II, 24-70mm f/2.8, 14mm F2.8, 150-600MM, Macro Lenses

 

[F-C]

Has anyone been able to edit N-Raw footage on DaVinci on an M1 Mac natively? On my end I’ve had to run DaVinci on Rosetta (curiously, at first glance 8k N-Raw doesn't seem to bad (?))

 

[NickZ2016]

The out of memory is a classic error related to the Nvidia drivers and Resolve. Go into settings and check. I'm sure it's seeing both your IGPU and the 3050

But 4GB isn't enough to really do 4K well. To put it into perspective Puget systems recommends 20GB + for serious 8k editing. You can get away with less but not 4GB.

1) Use proxies. I doubt you have an 8k screen so no issue there. Doesn't the Z9 normally provide FHD proxies along with the 8k file?

2) Reduce your timeline resolution to FHD or even less. You don't have an 8k screen so no point trying to edit in 8k. Just export in 8k.

3) Go into settings and switch to the IGPU . Make sure it's got at least 12GB of ram assigned. It'll be slow but it might work.

4) You should be using the Nvidia Studio drivers not the gaming drivers. 4GB still won't be enough memory but they tend to be more stable.

 

[A Owens]

Let me know if you have any solution to edit the Z9 NEV (8K) files using the Windows laptop.

If I want to edit Z9 NEV files, it looks like I need to spend another 5K. Davinci is sorrily returning my $'s back. If I want to edit Z9 NEV files, I was told to trash my 32GB MS Surface Studio Laptop & 64GB ROG and move on to Desktop or MAC M1 Ultra/Max

After about a week's wait and escalation, finally, Nikon support answered me, saying, "Editing of this file type is very limited with NX Studio currently. You will need a video editing application to fully edit 8K video. "

So last night, I bought Davinci's "DaVinci Resolve Studio." Since I was having issues with both my laptops, I reached out to Davinci support, and they are returning my $'s back, saying my Windows laptop cannot handle it. They want me to buy a Desktop or MAC M1 Ultra/Max.

I got the highest configuration MS Surface Studio Laptop:

Processor 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11370H @ 3.30GHz 3.30 GHz

Installed RAM 32.0 GB (31.8 GB usable)

• NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050Ti laptop GPU with 4GB GDDR6 GPU memory

My other Laptop is a ROG G701VO (i7-6820HK CPU @ 2.70GH, 64GB RAM)

Sincerely,

Saji

You need at least 8Gb VRAM to comfortably edit 8k using DaVinci Resolve on Windows. The free version will do most of what you need. Maybe there is an external GPU option you could use on your laptop ?

I do not know if there are any compromises to using DaVinci Resolve on an M1. If you can still use NRAW it would be an interesting option.

 

[skmadapatu]

The out of memory is a classic error related to the Nvidia drivers and Resolve. Go into settings and check. I'm sure it's seeing both your IGPU and the 3050

But 4GB isn't enough to really do 4K well. To put it into perspective Puget systems recommends 20GB + for serious 8k editing. You can get away with less but not 4GB.

1) Use proxies. I doubt you have an 8k screen so no issue there. Doesn't the Z9 normally provide FHD proxies along with the 8k file?

2) Reduce your timeline resolution to FHD or even less. You don't have an 8k screen so no point trying to edit in 8k. Just export in 8k.

3) Go into settings and switch to the IGPU . Make sure it's got at least 12GB of ram assigned. It'll be slow but it might work.

4) You should be using the Nvidia Studio drivers not the gaming drivers. 4GB still won't be enough memory but they tend to be more stable.

Thank you Nick for your kind wisdom. First, let me admit my illiteracy in DaVinci.

The below screenshot shows the system memory

>>1) Use proxies. I doubt you have an 8k screen so no issue there. Doesn't the Z9 normally provide FHD proxies along with the 8k file?<<

YES, Z9 gives 1080P proxy. But I need to figure it out to use it.

>>2) Reduce your timeline resolution to FHD or even less. You don't have an 8k screen so no point trying to edit in 8k.<<

Yes, if I change the timeline it looks like the error go away





>>Just export in 8k.<<

I am not sure how to pick 8K when I try to export it. It shows only the timeline options of 1080P





>>3) Go into settings and switch to the IGPU . Make sure it's got at least 12GB of ram assigned. It'll be slow but it might work.<<

I am not able to select Intel Graphis



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Camera Specialization: Nikon Z9, Sony A1, D850, D5, D810, D800E, Sony Nex-7, Nikon D4S
Lenses: Nikon NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S,
Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/2.8 S, Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II, 24-70mm f/2.8, 14mm F2.8, 150-600MM, Macro Lenses

 

[NickZ2016]

I haven't bothered to download the 18 beta yet but when you go to export isn't there a custom option? Not the quick export. You should be able to select anything you want there.

18 is still in early beta. Unless you have a need for the new features sticking with the stable 17.4.6 is the safe choice.

 

[skmadapatu]

Let me know if you have any solution to edit the Z9 NEV (8K) files using the Windows laptop.

If I want to edit Z9 NEV files, it looks like I need to spend another 5K. Davinci is sorrily returning my $'s back. If I want to edit Z9 NEV files, I was told to trash my 32GB MS Surface Studio Laptop & 64GB ROG and move on to Desktop or MAC M1 Ultra/Max

After about a week's wait and escalation, finally, Nikon support answered me, saying, "Editing of this file type is very limited with NX Studio currently. You will need a video editing application to fully edit 8K video. "

So last night, I bought Davinci's "DaVinci Resolve Studio." Since I was having issues with both my laptops, I reached out to Davinci support, and they are returning my $'s back, saying my Windows laptop cannot handle it. They want me to buy a Desktop or MAC M1 Ultra/Max.

I got the highest configuration MS Surface Studio Laptop:

Processor 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11370H @ 3.30GHz 3.30 GHz

Installed RAM 32.0 GB (31.8 GB usable)

• NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3050Ti laptop GPU with 4GB GDDR6 GPU memory

My other Laptop is a ROG G701VO (i7-6820HK CPU @ 2.70GH, 64GB RAM)

Sincerely,

Saji

You need at least 8Gb VRAM to comfortably edit 8k using DaVinci Resolve on Windows. The free version will do most of what you need. Maybe there is an external GPU option you could use on your laptop ?

I do not know if there are any compromises to using DaVinci Resolve on an M1. If you can still use NRAW it would be an interesting option.

Thank you Owens

This is the highest spec Surface Studio Laptop from Microsoft (4GB NVIDIA RAM)

I asked about the external GPU - I was told by the DaVinci support that it is NOT an option for my surface laptop. I was told I need a desktop or go from Mac Max/Ultra

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Camera Specialization: Nikon Z9, Sony A1, D850, D5, D810, D800E, Sony Nex-7, Nikon D4S
Lenses: Nikon NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S,
Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/2.8 S, Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II, 24-70mm f/2.8, 14mm F2.8, 150-600MM, Macro Lenses

 

[skmadapatu]

I just wanted to apologize in advance for my delayed response at least till Monday (I am fully involved in volunteering for the International Blues Challenge)

 

[skmadapatu]

I haven't bothered to download the 18 beta yet but when you go to export isn't there a custom option? Not the quick export. You should be able to select anything you want there.

18 is still in early beta. Unless you have a need for the new features sticking with the stable 17.4.6 is the safe choice.

>>hen you go to export isn't there a custom option? Not the quick export. You should be able to select anything you want there.<<

As in the screenshot, I am seeing only the Timeline option



>>18 is still in early beta. Unless you have a need for the new features sticking with the stable 17.4.6 is the safe choice.<<

YES, I understand and that is what DaVinci also told me (that they will not support the BETA). Based on my understanding to utilize the latest & greatest Z9 options like 8K 60P NEV file editing, I need to have the ver 18.

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Camera Specialization: Nikon Z9, Sony A1, D850, D5, D810, D800E, Sony Nex-7, Nikon D4S
Lenses: Nikon NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S,
Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/2.8 S, Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II, 24-70mm f/2.8, 14mm F2.8, 150-600MM, Macro Lenses

 

[NickZ2016]

No. NEV has been supported since before 18. I can't remember the exact number but the last version of 17 does. Maybe the minor version before also.

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Bottom of your screen middle you'll see going from left to right

Media

Cut page shortcut

Edit page shortcut

Fusion shortcut

Colour page shortcut

Fairlight shortcut

Render/deliver shortcut. The one that looks like a rocket. Click that.

Once you get a bit of time I'd suggest watching any of the intro to Resolve videos on Youtube. In addition Blackmagic's official channel has some more in depth videos on 17

 

[skmadapatu]

No. NEV has been supported since before 18. I can't remember the exact number but the last version of 17 does. Maybe the minor version before also.

https://images.blackmagicdesign.com...ontent-creators/software-xl.jpg?_v=1649396481

I can't find a better image.

Bottom of your screen middle you'll see going from left to right

Media

Cut page shortcut

Edit page shortcut

Fusion shortcut

Colour page shortcut

Fairlight shortcut

Render/deliver shortcut. The one that looks like a rocket. Click that.

Once you get a bit of time I'd suggest watching any of the intro to Resolve videos on Youtube. In addition Blackmagic's official channel has some more in depth videos on 17

Thanks again Nick for your kindness. Yes, 17 can edit the NEV. But if I am right Nikon was mentioning about 18 along with the ver 2.0 upgrade.

YES, I watched a few videos and I need to spend more time next week when I get the time

>>The one that looks like a rocket. Click that.<<

YES, I can select that rocket option. But Failed due to some Codec issues. I will work on it next week when get the time. I sincerely appreciate your kind wisdom.









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Camera Specialization: Nikon Z9, Sony A1, D850, D5, D810, D800E, Sony Nex-7, Nikon D4S
Lenses: Nikon NIKKOR Z 70-200mm f/2.8 VR S,
Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-70mm f/2.8 S, Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II, 24-70mm f/2.8, 14mm F2.8, 150-600MM, Macro Lenses

 

[skmadapatu]

. The free version will do most of what you need.

I agree that the free version is more than enough for the 4K editing.

But my objective is to see what Z9 is capable of with 8K 60P files. I do have around 10TB 8K 60P rare footage from last weekend (Memphis in May Music Festival). Next four days, my objective is to gather the footage of the International Blues Challenge of creme de la creme teams from all around the world. I do have once-in-a-lifetime access to those, and I wanted to make hell out of it.

I spent quite a bit of $'s and time on it and didn't mind paying another $300, which DaVinci deserves. Also, since I am a paid customer, I will have better customer support access, too - for me, the time and service matter the most than a few $'s. Above all, one day I wanted to make a special event movie out of it (While I was with AMC Theatres, I managed to get my proposal (on cultural heritage events from India) in front of the Fathom event VP through my executive privileged access).

 

[NickZ2016]

I doubt Nikon was suggesting using a beta . The firmware 2.0 IIRC was released the 20th? Resolve v18 beta was released the 18th. The announcement of 2.0 was before the announcement of v18.