GH6 is the new WOW camera

[JakeJY]

Very nice feature set! The size, weight and battery life are deal breakers for me personally. Hopefully they can fix the light streaking Gerald Undone shows.

Interesting that there is a streaking issue. Does this only appear when DR boost is on? If so, this suggests the method Panasonic is using is more similar to DOL HDR which is line based (and may have line based artifacts similar to this).

 

[drj3]

I wish DXO PL5 had RAW converters for these cameras.

The 25600 jpeg for the OMD-1 looks far better than the 25600 ipeg for the GH6. I would have thought the opposite would be true and expected the GH6 image to look better. based on the dual images feeds.

Is this simply a function of the AI noise reduction/sharpening of the OM-1 or is there really a large difference at 25600.

 

[AlmostDoctor]

I wish DXO PL5 had RAW converters for these cameras.

The 25600 jpeg for the OMD-1 looks far better than the 25600 ipeg for the GH6. I would have thought the opposite would be true and expected the GH6 image to look better. based on the dual images feeds.

Is this simply a function of the AI noise reduction/sharpening of the OM-1 or is there really a large difference at 25600.

It's probably a bit of both.

Clearly, OM1 baking in AI algorithm in camera has a huge impact. With that said, we know OM1 uses a BSI Sony sensor, but we don't know who makes GH6 sensor. I think the general consensus is that Sony sensor are among the best in terms of ISO and DR performance. If Panasonic used something like a FSI TowerJazz sensor or something, it may have contributed to difference in high iso performance. (Gerald Undone also commented on lower video DR in GH6 compared to GH5s when DR boost was disabled for what it's worth.)

The way the details are smeared with GH6 at ISO25600, I don't think any AI algorithm could recover the details. Though low ISO images from GH6 is fantastic, I think OM1 would have noticeable advantage at higher ISO range.

This differentiation makes a lot of sense for the respective models.

 

[Ahgre]

For the simple ‘wow’ factor GH6 hands down has more wow-ness to it.

but I will choose om-1 over gh6 any day as it seems to be a photographers camera.

 

[DAEMANO]

For the simple ‘wow’ factor GH6 hands down has more wow-ness to it.

but I will choose om-1 over gh6 any day as it seems to be a photographers camera.

Everything is pointing to a G9Mk2 or G10 in the pipeline. That will be the photographer's competitor from Panasonic. The GH6 is clearly hybrid first and foremost. Great release from Panasonic for the Lumix brand.

 

[Ahgre]

Possibly. Dpreview video also ‘hinted’ there will be a photo centric version to come so I assume g9-2 will come to the scene in the near future. But it still does not interest me as Panasonic still kept contrast af, and as a family photographer unreliable af tracking is not something I need in 2022 to shoot my ninja skilled pocket rocket daughter.

I preordered the om-1 hoping that it has improved its eye and face tracking dramatically. I dont expect it to be in the same level of sony or canon but I do hope its somewhat similar.

 

[Harold66]

I agree the GH6 is impressive, especially for breaking the 20MP barrier. The 100MP HHHR is really nice too and seems to work really well. Maybe better than Oly HHHR? It even had the Northups excited WOW.

However, for photographers it appears to still be bested by the OM-1 which has significantly faster burst shooting modes, 3x the AF points and more robust AF in general.

I very much doubt that in MOST stills shooting situation , there is going to be an Issue with Panasonic AF

The constant innuendo about wildlife shooting is pretty lame . It is not like in most images , you have got a fast animal racing towards the lens . Most wildlife shoots are taken when the subject is still or slow moving

Now is the time to wait to have both cameras analysed and compare results for still for both cameras before speculating to death

Harold

 

[Harold66]

For the simple ‘wow’ factor GH6 hands down has more wow-ness to it.

but I will choose om-1 over gh6 any day as it seems to be a photographers camera.

Everything is pointing to a G9Mk2 or G10 in the pipeline. That will be the photographer's competitor from Panasonic.

I agree . Let s hope that a G9mII does not change the double sdhc media slot or the battery:-D

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[drj3]

I agree the GH6 is impressive, especially for breaking the 20MP barrier. The 100MP HHHR is really nice too and seems to work really well. Maybe better than Oly HHHR? It even had the Northups excited WOW.

However, for photographers it appears to still be bested by the OM-1 which has significantly faster burst shooting modes, 3x the AF points and more robust AF in general.

I very much doubt that in MOST stills shooting situation , there is going to be an Issue with Panasonic AF

The constant innuendo about wildlife shooting is pretty lame . It is not like in most images , you have got a fast animal racing towards the lens . Most wildlife shoots are taken when the subject is still or slow moving

Now is the time to wait to have both cameras analysed and compare results for still for both cameras before speculating to death

Harold

Wildlife/sports can be a 4 year old child playing or a small hyperactive bird just feeding in a shrub. If photographing neither of these is important then I agree. I personally think both cameras will be great photographic tools with the OMD better for still photography and the GH6 better for video. Now if Panasonic introduces a G9 with better CAF and higher frame rates with the new sensor, my initial impression could change.

 

[Harold66]

I agree the GH6 is impressive, especially for breaking the 20MP barrier. The 100MP HHHR is really nice too and seems to work really well. Maybe better than Oly HHHR? It even had the Northups excited WOW.

However, for photographers it appears to still be bested by the OM-1 which has significantly faster burst shooting modes, 3x the AF points and more robust AF in general.

I very much doubt that in MOST stills shooting situation , there is going to be an Issue with Panasonic AF

The constant innuendo about wildlife shooting is pretty lame . It is not like in most images , you have got a fast animal racing towards the lens . Most wildlife shoots are taken when the subject is still or slow moving

Now is the time to wait to have both cameras analysed and compare results for still for both cameras before speculating to death

Harold

Wildlife/sports can be a 4 year old child playing or a small hyperactive bird just feeding in a shrub. If photographing neither of these is important then I agree.

first of all , if this is the main of your shooting , maybe you be better off with a smaller camera like a Sony rx100

and even for the subjects you mentioned , you are overstating . unless the child is running towards you , any Panasonic recent camera can do a great job with the autofocus , But NO autofocus is always going to compensate for the photographer lack of skills ;-)

I personally think both cameras will be great photographic tools with the OMD better for still photography and the GH6 better for video. Now if Panasonic introduces a G9 with better CAF and higher frame rates with the new sensor, my initial impression could change.

again , most photographers can cover 80% or more of the tasks with single AF

I think too many still photographers expect too much of CAF or choose CAF when SAF is a better option

Harold

 

[Douglas Boyd]

Joseph,

From the pre-announcement discussion I wasn't enthusiastic about the GH6 due to the extra 3 oz of weight and concern about nose clearance for the eye cup with the protruding thermal system.

But WOW was I impressed by the actual details that showed up on YouTube tonight from the testers. I was amazed by the 100mp HHHR mode which made me drop my concern about the extra weight. Also reviewers report that the eye cup clearance is okay.

I did notice that a lot of the out-of-focus background crowd is complaining about the autofocus. These people think that a picture with most of the frame out-of-focus is more "professional" and try to take pictures with a razor thin focal plane thus demanding very high precision in the autofocus. They cite "subject isolation" and "bokeh" as their objective. For those of us that try to keep as much in focus as possible the GH6 DfD is just fine. If we want to make a trick photo with a highly blurred background we can do this with computational processing either in camera (GH6) or in post. Stopping down a couple of stops from wide open solves the contrast focussing concerns, and the new extended ISO features enable this if light is poor.

People talk about all the GH6 video capabilities, but like the GH5 there is a lot that is new and great for still photography as well. I look forward to using this camera when it arrives.

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[JakeJY]

Possibly. Dpreview video also ‘hinted’ there will be a photo centric version to come so I assume g9-2 will come to the scene in the near future. But it still does not interest me as Panasonic still kept contrast af, and as a family photographer unreliable af tracking is not something I need in 2022 to shoot my ninja skilled pocket rocket daughter.

I preordered the om-1 hoping that it has improved its eye and face tracking dramatically. I dont expect it to be in the same level of sony or canon but I do hope its somewhat similar.

Most accounts say that the G9 works fine for family photography, even kids. It's a big leap forward from previous DFD cameras (and the GH6 supposedly improves on it). It's not as good for very challenging subjects like birds with busy backgrounds. It's the video that most complaints are about (DFD pulsing).

 

[faunagraphy]

Yes

Have you seen the handheld 100 megapixels high rez mode with motion compensation???

Yes, that was INSANE. On DPR's initial review, I paused and stared at the red car for the longest time. How was it not blurry??? I am stunned by its quality - I wish that the OM-1 had this feature. If I had more money and less sense, I'd buy this camera for this feature alone.

Does anyone know how well this works on moving people? The G10 / G105 / GX10 would make for great travel cameras if this feature came over to them.

EDIT: Here's the screenshot for context:







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[nzmacro]

Someone asked in what FW updates might be coming.



Frame from the introduction

For you who wanted more computing power, that's how the Dynamic Range boost works. It takes one image on the sensor through two gain channels. It then combines the cleaner shadows from the high gain channel and the highlights from the low gain channel. In photo mode or video up to 60 fps, I believe he said.

Been watching Chris and Jordan on it, very nice to see. Congrats Panasonic.

Danny.

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[larsbc]

I'm less excited by the GH6 but very excited for what its new features mean for a G9/G95 and/or GX9 successor.

• 25mp -- yes please. I'm always cropping so more mp is useful to me.
• More dynamic range and less noise at higher ISOs -- again, very useful to me.
• Handheld hi-res with the ability to handle moving objects in the scene - fantastic. Makes hi-res a feature I'll actually use.

The fact that the GH6 is missing some still camera features that are present in the G9 (and GH5?) such as focus stacking and pre-capture make it pretty obvious (to me) that they're planning on releasing a new stills-centric model or two.

 

[JakeJY]

I'm less excited by the GH6 but very excited for what its new features mean for a G9/G95 and/or GX9 successor.

• 25mp -- yes please. I'm always cropping so more mp is useful to me.
• More dynamic range and less noise at higher ISOs -- again, very useful to me.
• Handheld hi-res with the ability to handle moving objects in the scene - fantastic. Makes hi-res a feature I'll actually use.

The fact that the GH6 is missing some still camera features that are present in the G9 (and GH5?) such as focus stacking and pre-capture make it pretty obvious (to me) that they're planning on releasing a new stills-centric model or two.

I'm unfortunately not optimistic on the G95 or GX9 successor getting these features anytime soon. They would be lucky to get the G9 features first.

 

[SonyX]

EDIT: Here's the screenshot for context:

8,192 × 6,144 is 50mp, not 100mp

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[JakeJY]

EDIT: Here's the screenshot for context:

8,192 × 6,144 is 50mp, not 100mp

There's two choices for HHHR in the GH6, one is 50mp, one is 100mp.

 

[bluevellet]

One thing I will say though, when you look and compare the test sample images, you can see that OM1's two stop advantage in high-iso shooting wasn't an exaggeration, at least when it comes to SOOC jpegs.

https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/7519685592/panasonic-gh6-sample-gallery/5458339757

https://www.dpreview.com/sample-galleries/0739659306/om-system-om-1-sample-gallery/5010893937

Overall, I think both companies did a great job catering to their respective niche. I will be pre-ordering OM1 since it suits me better, but I think others will be very happy with GH6.

Now we just need G10 and OM5 to make the rest happy

People are very focused on low light, but i see it as making many f4 lenses much more useful and usable if you have better noise performance and those extra 2 stops of high ISO in reserve.

 

[Dspider]

GH6 raw files are almost double in size compared to OM1. I'm guessing there's something to that.

16 bit RAW

The size of the envelope doesn't define the contents. It could also be just a compression difference. Or the GH6 raws really hold significantly more data, but a few extra bits don't explain a 100% larger filesize.

I'm very curious about their D/R boost technology. I can't seem to embed images from the sample galleries here, but I was struck by the differences in highlight detail and richness of tones in these samples (I recommend opening them in new browser tabs). Hopefully there are different explanations for the differences and hopefully the OM-1 is equally capable of producing images like the GH6 sample linked here:

DPReview OM1 children's portrait -vs- DPReview GH6 children's portrait

https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-gh6/panasonic-gh6A.HTM

This article explains it.

the portraits are tiny, how are you suppose to make a comparison ?

Ds