Can someone share ICC profiles for Canon G650/G540 for standart Canon papers?

[orlovsn]

To my surprise there are no ICC's supplied with driver for standard papers like GP-501, PP-201, PT-101 and so on

The only ICC bundled with drivers is some generic one dated back to 2015 and seems to cover at least sRGB (softproofing shows no clipping in srgb target at all)

Maybe someone has already profiled this printer with basic papers? :-O

p.s. without icc ("printer/driver color management") output is so-so, especially in red/brown, with "strange bundled icc" output is actually ... very nice, but some light midtones shows some harsh mud. Mine spectro appears to be broken so someone's profiles as a starting point will be very helpfull

 

[al404]

I'am also interested, are you on Mac or PC?

I did some print from CaptureOne on Mac and they look great

 

[orlovsn]

I'am also interested, are you on Mac or PC?

I did some print from CaptureOne on Mac and they look great

on PC

I have tried:

CaptureOne with settings "color managed by printer"+in printer settings "high quality"+"gp-501 paper"+"color adjustments disabled" = result is good in yellow, green, blue .. but looks like red ink is missing - skin tone on this photo is just green+brown mesh:

In lightroom with settings "color managed by application"+"ICC that was installed with driver", printer settings: "high quality"+"gp-501 paper"+"color adjustments enabled-> ICC sync" = result is very good, but in some light midtones it can be, for sure, even better with normal profile because there appear some erratic color mix, for example on this photo

I understand that gp-501 is cheap and, actually, slow-stabilizing and low-res paper, so i am not waiting for super-smooth halftones, I just need some little clipping in very-very light zones to prevent erratic texture on prints.

Anyway, I am very impressed with prints - even on cheap gloss they look very comparable to my Z3200 on good glossy papers, and while black-and-white is not that optimistic, it is far better then results from epsons 1410/L800/L1800 that I used for small sheets prints before. Hope to fix my spectro in reasonable time to try it on good papers, but if someone will help with basic gp/pp/pt papers profiles it will be very nice also

 

[Box Brownie]

None too sure but I thought/think that where you use Canon papers (from the choices in the driver interface) & OEM inks that the profiles are "baked in". In other words you do not need to select a profile to associate with the paper.

I might surmise that where users of the larger Canon printer are using 'Canon Print Layout' program they may see other information about such 'baked in' profiles?

PS Perhaps Keith Cooper can throw some light on this aspect with Canon printers in general and his upcoming G650 review in particular??? You could PM him to ask for his advice?

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[Gesture]

Stand to be corrected, but I agree.

OEM ink, OEM paper, Printer Manages Color, Select proper paper type, you are essentially selecting the correct "hidden" ICC Profile.

But check the ICC profile folders (PC and Mac a bit different) and see what is there.

Waiting on Keith's review. Can't imagine these new Canon printers aren't color managed.

 

[al404]

I did check ColorSync because I would like to print from CaptureOne on Canon Paper and I could not find any Canon ICC

I don't know if is possible but maybe are backed into the printer software or hidden somewhere else

 

[orlovsn]

None too sure but I thought/think that where you use Canon papers (from the choices in the driver interface) & OEM inks that the profiles are "baked in". In other words you do not need to select a profile to associate with the paper.

I thought that logic is as you have written, so I started with "color managed by printer" in C1, and "color adjustment = off" in printer driver (default settings) + proper paper selection, but as I have mentioned, results were far from acceptable in some color regions

When I reversed settings (used some strange icc that was installed with printer driver) - results appeared "almost perfect", so there is something missing in default approach - seems like (I am not a pro in printing so just guessing) it's rgb->cmyk translation level between C1 data output and printer hardware or some misunderstanding in C1 color output profile (output in argb?) and driver input profile (waits for srgb?), especially taking in mind that problems appeared where red inks were supposed to be used

In other printer drivers (epson, hp) I usually have ICCs for default papers (epson installes them in OS on driver installation, HP allows to download them from printer) so I can simply set them as default output profile in C1 or LR and have zero problems at first start, but canon seems to do conversion in driver

Anyway, I still hope that somebody will re-calibrate his G650 for basic papers in search of perfection and share results

 

[orlovsn]

Stand to be corrected, but I agree.

OEM ink, OEM paper, Printer Manages Color, Select proper paper type, you are essentially selecting the correct "hidden" ICC Profile.

But check the ICC profile folders (PC and Mac a bit different) and see what is there.

Waiting on Keith's review. Can't imagine these new Canon printers aren't color managed.

Yep, I use canon inks and canon paper, with ICC disabled (default settings) something is wrong (at least with C1+Windows), with "CN_IJPrinter_Profile2015.icc" (that was installed with printer) and setting driver to "ICC sync" in "color adjustments" results are very good (taking in mind paper limitations)

And yes, that is the only canon ICC in OS's ICCs folder

 

[Gesture]

I appreciate these reports.

I like Canon dye ink printers, but ...

 

[al404]

just found a new X-Rite ColorMunki photo on Ebay at a good price ( 160€ shipped ) and got it

As soon as I get I will profile Ilford Galerie Prestige Smooth Pearl

 

[Box Brownie]

Stand to be corrected, but I agree.

OEM ink, OEM paper, Printer Manages Color, Select proper paper type, you are essentially selecting the correct "hidden" ICC Profile.

But check the ICC profile folders (PC and Mac a bit different) and see what is there.

Waiting on Keith's review. Can't imagine these new Canon printers aren't color managed.

I have the TS8250 and do print some photos on it, so had a look in the system folder for Canon ICC profiles and there are none present.

But the prints I do get, for what they are, are pretty good and match my calibrated monitor and some previously commercially printed identical files. So on the face of it, what goes on under the hood is good!

 

[orlovsn]

I appreciate these reports.

I like Canon dye ink printers, but ...

Don't get me wrong - results with supplied ICC are really nice, taking in mind cheap paper (the only one from canon that was available at local store, pt-101 will be delivered in 2 days I hope), low-cost inks and limited capabilities of "6"-color scheme in combo with cheap subdivided heads.

I just see that results can be even better with proper calibration because all the "bad things" that I can see (and I have to dig rather deep to see them) can be easily fixed with profile in two steps - a little more accurate color mix in highlights + working softproof for pre-print correction of out-of-gamma highlights.

Even more, in prints without sensitive colors in high-zone, like this one:

I find prints to be actually .. wonderful!

 

[Box Brownie]

It looks like Keith now has his G650 and do look here:--

G650: Printers and Printing Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

G550/650 colour management (?): Printers and Printing Forum: Digital Photography Review (dpreview.com)

HTH

 

[orlovsn]

Yes, thanks, I saw that thread and hope he will publish his profile for PT paper. For GP paper I will try to build a basic one tomorrow but not sure if I will success because the only one spectro available in my office is not compatible with any calibration software so it will be some “try to feed measurements to argyllcms“ experiment

 

[Keith Cooper]

Yes, thanks, I saw that thread and hope he will publish his profile for PT paper.

No, he never publishes profiles ;-)

They are available on specific request for non commercial use...

For GP paper I will try to build a basic one tomorrow but not sure if I will success because the only one spectro available in my office is not compatible with any calibration software so it will be some “try to feed measurements to argyllcms“ experiment

Well, it will be fun trying

 

[orlovsn]

Well, it will be fun trying

Yep, I gave up in ICC creation because available reference light sources were not suitable for direct data feeding to argy, but here are some info from spectro investigation of prints, maybe someone will find them usefull:

1) GP-501 paper takes much more time for stabilization then I thought (epson papers got 95% stability in 4 hours), spectral response changes very high after 4 hours of drying at 25C in 60% humidity and keeps changing after 20 hours inside patch, here it seems to finally slow down

2) Within first two hours, spectral response differs up to 20% inside single patch in pink-magenta and yellow-green mixes, that shows that paper is absorbing ink very slow and color-mix pattern can show dots, that will disappear only after 4 hours, after 4 hours difference decrease a lot, after 20 hours almost all patches are smooth but some mixtures do need calibration

3) In rastro pattern main problems are at brown-pink, brown-magenta, brown-white and magenta-blue, spectral response of edges shows that ink mix has some cross laying, maybe due to printing head miss (cheap positioning is understandable for this price) or maybe due to low quality paper (bad absorption)

4) Prints with settings:

• driver ICC in LR + ICC sync in driver
• "colors managed by printer" in LR + color adjustment=true, sync=none in driver

shows almost identical results (but if "color adjustment=false" results will differ), so I can suppose that driver uses the same ICC when no sync is selected, and then apply additional corrections to paper type (forgot to check that with selecting wrong paper type and comparing results, also forgot to select wrong icc and check if it is actually applied in driver :-( )

Next time will test PT paper, stabilization test time was informative for me, I rechecked some previous prints and must admit that some of my complaints to erratic structure ... are actually gone

 

[Maximilian59]

Don't use GP-501 it is in the best mediocre. Start at with with the PP-201/301. for general purpose the SG-201 is also very good. Whether you will see any enhancement on the PT-101 is questionable for me. In my eyes it is not worth the higher price. I use instead for example the HP Premium Glossy 300g.I like this surface much more and it has less OBAs.

Cheers,

Maximilian

 

[orlovsn]

Don't use GP-501 it is in the best mediocre. Start at with with the PP-201/301. for general purpose the SG-201 is also very good. Whether you will see any enhancement on the PT-101 is questionable for me. In my eyes it is not worth the higher price. I use instead for example the HP Premium Glossy 300g.I like this surface much more and it has less OBAs.

Cheers,

Maximilian

Yes, I realized it, I got GP as the only one canon paper that was available at local store “right now”, I thought it will be something close to epson premium glossy that I usually used in sheets for small epsons (and it is very nice paper, that hits limits of entry-level printers) but it is really so-so “right now” and “not bad but not perfect” the next day after print (after 1-2 days prints loose most of harsh halftones and start looking good, while still lacking resolution)
Good papers are on their way, hope tomorrow to start getting parcels

 

[orlovsn]

Argh, Canon drivers are really something to mention when choosing devices.

Got a box of PT-101 and ... there is no build-in profile for this paper in driver for G540 (G650's name in our region), that is especially wrong taking in mind that in our market PP-201 is now available only via canon's so-slow official internet store and all other shops drop it out of products list, including canon official dealers :-x

Ok, my i1's spectro replacement is on it's way because I need to replace broken one in any way, but I doubt that many people targeted by "megatank cheap print" marketing will spend 5-10x device price for spectro just to use original paper, canon - what the???

Hope Keith will e-mail me his profile, so that I could test "best possible from manufacturer point of view" from this device before moving forward to HP's cutted rolls

 

[Keith Cooper]

Email me at northlight - I only keep profiles on one computer...