Touchscreen? That's just old technology

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Just reading a youtube comment on the zv-e10 sony release from a guy saying he would never buy a camera today that does not have a fully integrated touchscreen interface. And i thought "Really?"

Why do people keep insisting cameras in 2021 should have touchscreens?

Touchscreens in cameras are such an old idea it must be 15 years old or more, easy examples from the top of my head- most handycams made in the 2000s has it, plenty of compacts also had it, like the sony dsc-n1 and many others. The N1 was released in 2005, so more than 15 years ago.

But guess what? Touchscreen interface is more show than function, scrolling through menus on a 3 inch screen is not fun at all. That's probably why most companies never bothered investing in it, sony themselves quit the whole idea after a while, probably because it didn't help sales and buttons simply work better on a camera.

If you ever had a camera from the T series of the era, you already know this. Changing setings took a while, longer than with a traditional button/4 way pad anyway. Same applies for their latest cybershot cameras, like the rx100 M7.

But i guess 2021 is the year when everything old is back in fashion. It's the 2000s all over again.

If you guys really want to think ahead and get last gen. technology, ask for cameras operated via voice command. Not only it's a lot more practical than a touchscreen, but it's also cooler.

Why fiddle with a tiny touchscreen when you can just ask the camera to do what you want it to do?

As for people not bothered with fancy marketing gimmicks, buttons are still best. I always disable the touchscreen on my cameras if possible.

But if you want the latest and greatest, you have to think ahead, not look back towards the era when touschreens were considered cool. Again, that tech is plain old.

Asking for touchscreen operated cameras in 2021 is like asking for the return of the disco era with it's weird clothes and hair styles. "Been there, done that".
 
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Rambow wrote:... ask for cameras operated via voice command.
No, I don't want to be around a bunch of people talking to their cameras.
What about Siri, Alexa, Amazon Echo and Google assistant? Also, don't modern cars also have voice commands?

I read that about 1 in 4 americans have a device they talk to in their homes already, why whould this be any different with cameras?
 
How do you select the point to focus on by voice?
Dunno, but i personally use the AF algorithm for that. Via buttons, of course.

Yes, using a touchscreen also works, but again, we're talking 3, 3.5 inch screens here.

How do you select a focus point using a touchscreen if your finger covers 1/3 of the screen? You press on the screen and hope the middle of the finger hit the right spot?

The same dilemma appeared years ago, when smartphones had 3.7 inch touchscreens and we had to type using the virtual keyboard. It was a hassle.

The solution was to increase the screen size, but like i said already, the vast majority of cameras have screens smaller than 3.5 inch.
 
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Rambow wrote:... ask for cameras operated via voice command.
No, I don't want to be around a bunch of people talking to their cameras.
What about Siri, Alexa, Amazon Echo and Google assistant? Also, don't modern cars also have voice commands?

I read that about 1 in 4 americans have a device they talk to in their homes already, why whould this be any different with cameras?
Voice recognition and commands can certainly be useful in some use cases. However, they certainly aren't a viable complete replacements for mechanical controls or touchscreens for all tasks. Office workers still generally use a keyboard even if voice recognition and touchscreens are available. People still steer cars with physical controls rather with than a touchscreen or by telling the car to turn left or brake.

(I do realise that there may be a bit of tongue in cheek involved)
 
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Rambow wrote:... ask for cameras operated via voice command.
No, I don't want to be around a bunch of people talking to their cameras.
"Alexa, set the shutter speed to one fortieth of a second."

"Got it. Shutter speed set to one fourth of a second."

"Alexa, no, I meant one four hundredth."

"One four hundred frame burst starting now."

"Alexa, stop!"

"What f/stop do you want?"

...
 
How do you select the point to focus on by voice?
Move left big.

Move right small.

Move right small.

Move left really small.

Move up big.

Move down small.

Move up really small.

Move left really small.

Focus.

Move left small.

Move up small.

Focus.

Shoot.

And that's assuming the camera understands each of your commands and doesn't do something different.
 
That is what I use my touchscreen on my RP for most of the time. Looking through the viewfinder, it is much easier (and faster) to move the focus point with my finger than the manual buttons/wheels. Hand held, viewing through the touch screen, just touching the spot I want to focus and shoot is great. Works really well with light primes, holding a camera low, close to the ground, or high, above your head.
 
How do you select the point to focus on by voice?
Wouldn’t matter.

”Camera, take appealing photo.”

You then just move the camera around and based on trillions of photos that have been analyzed over the years and your GPS location, it’ll take the most statistically appealing photo.
 
Rambow wrote:... ask for cameras operated via voice command.
No, I don't want to be around a bunch of people talking to their cameras.
"Alexa, set the shutter speed to one fortieth of a second."

"Got it. Shutter speed set to one fourth of a second."

"Alexa, no, I meant one four hundredth."

"One four hundred frame burst starting now."

"Alexa, stop!"

"What f/stop do you want?"







...

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http://therefractedlight.blogspot.com
I'm afraid I can't do that Dave. That subject has already been photographed 173,674,009 times. Do you want to photograph something original instead?
 
It might just be me, but I shall avoid any camera without touch screen support.

Over the years, my mirrorlesses support touch screen operation but, some better than others. Usually later model will do better. Difference could be huge. The better ones are more responsive, can replace 4-ways pads completely.

In terms of:
  • menu navigation,
  • navigation on playback and enlargement,
  • focus point picking (later models support touch AF when eye on viewfinder),
  • exposure point selection,
  • touch shutter (good for selfie),
  • added soft keys (says my brand provides 20 totally customizable soft keys, plus ad hoc soft keys associated with the selected features are operated through touch screen) etc...
Making operation easier and faster.

My first MILC, a 16/17 years old G1, does not support touch operation. I can live with it. But if I shall buy any new camera today, no touch operation, or poor implementation of it, is a big no to me.

Voice command is wonderful but might still be far from happening to affordable cameras for the mass market. I am very realistic and be happy with what I can get hold.

My 2 cents.

--
Albert
** Please forgive my typo error.
** Please feel free to download the original image I posted here and edit it as you like :-) **
 
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Rambow wrote:... ask for cameras operated via voice command.
No, I don't want to be around a bunch of people talking to their cameras.
In addition, if a group of photographers were close to each other and talking to their cameras what would happen?

It’s like 2 people with lav mics and are 0.1m away from each other while shouting
 
Just reading a youtube comment on the zv-e10 sony release from a guy saying he would never buy a camera today that does not have a fully integrated touchscreen interface. And i thought "Really?"

Why do people keep insisting cameras in 2021 should have touchscreens?
Looking at how popular are smartphones, I would say that touchscreen interface is probably the most used one (by order of magnitude) by regular people all over the world - today almost everyone has a smartphone and on average uses it more and more.

Is it really so weird that people expect other devices to be operated the same way as the one they use most?
 
Rambow wrote:... ask for cameras operated via voice command.
No, I don't want to be around a bunch of people talking to their cameras.
"Alexa, set the shutter speed to one fortieth of a second."

"Got it. Shutter speed set to one fourth of a second."

"Alexa, no, I meant one four hundredth."

"One four hundred frame burst starting now."

"Alexa, stop!"

"What f/stop do you want?"

...
Thanks for the laugh Mark :-D

On a recent Zoom call, I somehow triggered Alexa to sing a song, we had a few chuckles.


Cheers,
Doug
 
Old technology? Does not matter. What matters is that it works, and when properly implemented, works really well.

Voice control? Useless. When I am out shooting, I don't want to be thinking about another thing that can distract me from the moment.
 

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