Monitor for 10 bit video editing - True 10 bit vs 8 bit + FRC

[Cyber1966]

Hi, for 10 bit video editing should I be bothered that a monitor is 8 bit + FRC instead of true 10 bit?

Getting back into 10 bit videography after finally putting together a powerful enough editing machine. WAS able to deal with it previously, but painstakingly so.

Been eyeing the BENQ 3200u for which it details 8 bit + FRC.

After researching for over a week it only now hits me whether I should be concerned about that part of its capability.

But then, I'm wondering: Does it matter? I'm not looking to break it down to rocket science and be as concerned with video pixel peeping as I am in photography. At least not to the same extent. The bulk of the world's using 8 bit, aren't they? Thus, the mere fact I'm shooting in 10 bit should curtail any surface concerns? Or is it a matter of, I don't know what I'm missing since I can't even see what true 10 bit looks like as it is?

Ut-Oh, my head's ready to explode here.

Am I'm overthinking things now?

Help!

 

[Ayawolf]

10 bit becomes a concern if you are grading. Otherwise you won’t see a difference.



I recommend getting an EIZO or real 10 bit monitor if you intend color grading

 

[Markr041]

Or is it a matter of, I don't know what I'm missing since I can't even see what true 10 bit looks like as it is?

It's not just 10bit color you are missing on most computer monitors, you are also missing the expanded color gamuts that most higher-end cameras can record.

Most newer higher-end TV's, however, can play 10bit video in real 10bit with expanded color gamuts. If you watch a 4K HDR bluray on these TV's, you can see 10bit color in REC2020, which is an expanded color gamut. If you make an HDR video from your camera you can play and watch it in full glory on these TV's.

 

[Cyber1966]

10 bit becomes a concern if you are grading. Otherwise you won’t see a difference.

I recommend getting an EIZO or real 10 bit monitor if you intend color grading

Thanks!

 

[Cyber1966]

Markr041 wrote:?

It's not just 10bit color you are missing on most computer monitors, you are also missing the expanded color gamuts that most higher-end cameras can record.

Most newer higher-end TV's, however, can play 10bit video in real 10bit with expanded color gamuts. If you watch a 4K HDR bluray on these TV's, you can see 10bit color in REC2020, which is an expanded color gamut. If you make an HDR video from your camera you can play and watch it in full glory on these TV's.

Yeah, that HAD crossed my mind. The TVs that is. I imagine the LG CX would do wonders (in more ways than one).

Looking right now at other GOOD alternatives to that specific model.

Shooting with the GH5 now and waiting to see what they finally reveal about the GH6. Will know by Autumn how far into HDR and RAW I might be venturing.

Thanks for the input.

 

[Markr041]

Markr041 wrote:?

It's not just 10bit color you are missing on most computer monitors, you are also missing the expanded color gamuts that most higher-end cameras can record.

Most newer higher-end TV's, however, can play 10bit video in real 10bit with expanded color gamuts. If you watch a 4K HDR bluray on these TV's, you can see 10bit color in REC2020, which is an expanded color gamut. If you make an HDR video from your camera you can play and watch it in full glory on these TV's.

Yeah, that HAD crossed my mind. The TVs that is. I imagine the LG CX would do wonders (in more ways than one).

Looking right now at other GOOD alternatives to that specific model.

Shooting with the GH5 now and waiting to see what they finally reveal about the GH6. Will know by Autumn how far into HDR and RAW I might be venturing.

Thanks for the input.

Yeah, the LG CX is what I had in mind. And I understand a smaller version will be available soon - 42".

 

[Entropy512]

Markr041 wrote:?

It's not just 10bit color you are missing on most computer monitors, you are also missing the expanded color gamuts that most higher-end cameras can record.

Most newer higher-end TV's, however, can play 10bit video in real 10bit with expanded color gamuts. If you watch a 4K HDR bluray on these TV's, you can see 10bit color in REC2020, which is an expanded color gamut. If you make an HDR video from your camera you can play and watch it in full glory on these TV's.

Yeah, that HAD crossed my mind. The TVs that is. I imagine the LG CX would do wonders (in more ways than one).

Looking right now at other GOOD alternatives to that specific model.

Shooting with the GH5 now and waiting to see what they finally reveal about the GH6. Will know by Autumn how far into HDR and RAW I might be venturing.

Thanks for the input.

Yeah, the LG CX is what I had in mind. And I understand a smaller version will be available soon - 42".

It is definitely frustrating that getting HDR and wide gamut is surprisingly HARD for smaller displays.

Even when available, "PC monitor" sized displays (e.g. 27") with similar gamut/dynamic range specifications to even a midrange TV are insanely expensive.

LG CX and C9 seem to be pretty highly regarded as being some of the best "bang for your buck" without going to ultraexpensive reference displays

 

[timccr]

I've just been through this. My head hurts too! It all started because of banding on some stills so I decided to upgrade to a 10 bit system. In the end it seems like true 10 bit per channel might just be starting to happen so I'm sticking with my old 8 bit+FRC for now while I wait to see how things develop. For video it's only grading, you can cut on any old monitor, so I've found a facilities house where I can view my stuff on a reference monitor for a small fee. So far everything has been OK. If one day it's not I'll hire the grading suite.

 

[Cyber1966]

It is definitely frustrating that getting HDR and wide gamut is surprisingly HARD for smaller displays.

Even when available, "PC monitor" sized displays (e.g. 27") with similar gamut/dynamic range specifications to even a midrange TV are insanely expensive.

LG CX and C9 seem to be pretty highly regarded as being some of the best "bang for your buck" without going to ultraexpensive reference displays

Things got complicated for me this week when I realized that the 32" BenQ doesn't have HDR whereas the 27" does. And from what I've read, it's not even that wonderful at HDR.

That CX is just beyond 'dreamy'. Get an eye-gasm every time I see one.

 

[Cyber1966]

It is definitely frustrating that getting HDR and wide gamut is surprisingly HARD for smaller displays.

Even when available, "PC monitor" sized displays (e.g. 27") with similar gamut/dynamic range specifications to even a midrange TV are insanely expensive.

LG CX and C9 seem to be pretty highly regarded as being some of the best "bang for your buck" without going to ultraexpensive reference displays

Just caught sight of the youtube review for the "32" LG OLED Monitor. One article says that it should fetch 3-4,000 pounds?

Yikes!