Canon RP?

[pkoenig2001]

I don’t think you will like the RP after you used the R6. Here is my experience in another thread -

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65173244

Thanks, Phil!

But I did not quite get what would be the difference between the RP and R6 that would make me dislike the RP. Is it slow frame rate?

Sorry, English is not my native language. Sometimes I miss stuff on the messages...

No need to apologize! Yes I think the slow frame rate plus slightly awkward controls compared to the R6 will cause you not to use the RP as much as you anticipate. I do not find the RP significantly smaller than R6 in practice.


I think the RP is a great introduction to the R system and I think it’s a good body. But once you use an R6 (or R5 I imagine) it is not as enjoyable!

Also see Thunder Storm’s good reply above!

Good luck!

Phil

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[zman2596]

My first venture into canon mirrorless was swapping my 6D for an RP. I was quite happy with the RP and still use it instead of my R6 for casual shooting. The trip is nice to have when you need a bigger trip with larger lenses. Otherwise no don’t use it to keep smaller size. The RF 50mm 1.8 pairs excellent with the RP. The battery life isn’t all that great. The autofocus is great, not on same level as R6. I still think it’s a great trade from a 6D though.

Would you consider it to be a nice street photography kit?

Yes I think so. It’s sleek with the rf 35mm 1.8 or rf 50mm 1.8 also.

 

[zman2596]

The RP doesn’t compare well to the R6. However without grip it’s definitely a smaller and more compact camera. Yes the ergonomics are different. However, I’ve enjoyed using my RP when I don’t want to take my $2500 camera body. Like all day at a festival. I took the RP, 50mm 1.8 and a spare battery. It was enjoyable that day. Here are a few shots from that day below.

 

[2ndact scene1]

I have the RP and, except for speed (which I don’t really need) and battery life, everything else I like very much. I bought an extension grip and the adapter with the control ring so it is really comfortable to shoot with, even with adapted lenses. You can control exposure easily, every button seems to be in the right place and the touchscreen AF is all I need (I don’t miss the joystick really). Image quality in excellent too if you don’t need a crazy dynamic range. In my opinion it is the best bang for the buck in the industry, specially if you get a sale with the 24-105 stm kit at $1000.

Agree on speed, battery life, grip, control ring, touchscreen performance, IQ, dynamic range and best bang for the buck. Also agree on 24-105 STM but I have only had it a couple of weeks. I recommend getting a 'white box' . copy of the RF35mmm

I disagree on button placement; I was hitting the AF ON button constantly and had to turn it off .

 

[Larawanista]

Hello everyone,

I recently upgraded from the Canon 6D to the R6.

So the 6D sits around, collecting dust. I love it, has great colors, it's built like a tank, still kicks butt in low light and has around 12k clicks only.

But the size/weight really bothers me. I've had the camera for a while and developed a neck problem, so I started considering a light camera for fun.

What can you RP owners tell me about image quality, pros, cons and overall shooting experience? Is the trade really worth it?

Thanks!

First, if you're willing to sell your 6D, I'm willing to buy.

Now on the RP. I owned it until more than a month ago. Sold it to help fund my purchase of the R6. Doesn't mean it's a bad camera, just that I don't need it anymore. My second camera is M6II.

I would use the RP for portraits with a proper combination of natural light and studio lighting. Its skintones are almost perfect for me. Needs very little rework at post. Used it side by side with the R for portraits. The RP was my portrait camera of choice for more than two years. It worked perfectly with my Tamron 85mm 1.8 and EF50mm 1.4 all the time.

For travel, I love its portability with the RF35mm especially for shots at ISO1600 or lower. Unfortunately, even after running raw files on DXO Pure Raw, nearly any raw file from the RP shot at high ISO is noisy. Can be tolerated depending on the purpose an image will serve.

The other downside of the RP for me is Eye AF. It's not as crispy as the R, not even in the league of the M6II especially in low light.

It's my own opinion from my own experience. A lot of people I know like their RP.

 

[JustUs7]

Hello everyone,

I recently upgraded from the Canon 6D to the R6.

So the 6D sits around, collecting dust. I love it, has great colors, it's built like a tank, still kicks butt in low light and has around 12k clicks only.

But the size/weight really bothers me. I've had the camera for a while and developed a neck problem, so I started considering a light camera for fun.

What can you RP owners tell me about image quality, pros, cons and overall shooting experience? Is the trade really worth it?

Thanks!

First, if you're willing to sell your 6D, I'm willing to buy.

Now on the RP. I owned it until more than a month ago. Sold it to help fund my purchase of the R6. Doesn't mean it's a bad camera, just that I don't need it anymore. My second camera is M6II.

I would use the RP for portraits with a proper combination of natural light and studio lighting. Its skintones are almost perfect for me. Needs very little rework at post. Used it side by side with the R for portraits. The RP was my portrait camera of choice for more than two years. It worked perfectly with my Tamron 85mm 1.8 and EF50mm 1.4 all the time.

For travel, I love its portability with the RF35mm especially for shots at ISO1600 or lower. Unfortunately, even after running raw files on DXO Pure Raw, nearly any raw file from the RP shot at high ISO is noisy. Can be tolerated depending on the purpose an image will serve.

The other downside of the RP for me is Eye AF. It's not as crispy as the R, not even in the league of the M6II especially in low light.

It's my own opinion from my own experience. A lot of people I know like their RP.

 

[Larawanista]

Hello everyone,

I recently upgraded from the Canon 6D to the R6.

So the 6D sits around, collecting dust. I love it, has great colors, it's built like a tank, still kicks butt in low light and has around 12k clicks only.

But the size/weight really bothers me. I've had the camera for a while and developed a neck problem, so I started considering a light camera for fun.

What can you RP owners tell me about image quality, pros, cons and overall shooting experience? Is the trade really worth it?

Thanks!

First, if you're willing to sell your 6D, I'm willing to buy.

Now on the RP. I owned it until more than a month ago. Sold it to help fund my purchase of the R6. Doesn't mean it's a bad camera, just that I don't need it anymore. My second camera is M6II.

I would use the RP for portraits with a proper combination of natural light and studio lighting. Its skintones are almost perfect for me. Needs very little rework at post. Used it side by side with the R for portraits. The RP was my portrait camera of choice for more than two years. It worked perfectly with my Tamron 85mm 1.8 and EF50mm 1.4 all the time.

For travel, I love its portability with the RF35mm especially for shots at ISO1600 or lower. Unfortunately, even after running raw files on DXO Pure Raw, nearly any raw file from the RP shot at high ISO is noisy. Can be tolerated depending on the purpose an image will serve.

The other downside of the RP for me is Eye AF. It's not as crispy as the R, not even in the league of the M6II especially in low light.

It's my own opinion from my own experience. A lot of people I know like their RP.

Only a couple things I’ll disagree with. Of course, based on personal experience as well as limited experience with other truly great cameras.

But having the M6II and th RP, my RP is night and day better than the M6II for picking up eye AF. The M6II does face very well, but I need to be very close to have eye AF pick up. And there are no tracking sensitivity adjustments. My RP will pick up eyes across a room, out of a crowd, I can move between eyes, I can adjust the ‘stickiness’. It’s not even close.

I do see a fair bit of noise in the RP if I have to lift shadows or mid tones in post. However, if I use ETTR, and reduce highlights in post, the outcomes are much better regardless of ISO in camera. Maybe it’s a workaround and probably still not as good as other full frame cameras. But, still less noise than the M6II.

The M6II, of course, blows if out of the water with FPS, reach, ability to crop, portability. Lots of good reasons to own that camera too.

Our experiential difference may be down to the lens we're using. Somehow with either my Sigma 16mm 1.4 and EFM 32mm 1.4 the M6II picks up and locks in on eyes and face more reliably than the RP with RF35mm 1.8 almost all the time. The R is a different story. It is slower in terms of fps but more reliable than the M6II when it comes to not being confused by sudden subject movement such as my daughter running towards me zigzag by the beach being chased by her dog. The R locks on her eyes and/or face and almost never lets go. The M6II locks but would get confused before recovering. The RP is a bit tentative, then locks its focus, and becomes tentative again with sudden/quick movements most especially when light isn't particularly generous.

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[JustUs7]

Curious if you’ve found the stickiness settings in the RP? For the M6II we have the EFM 32, and it’s usually around 5 ft away from the subject before it’ll pick up eyes. Otherwise it’s face detect.

I have it set all the way to the left (-) for locked on and at +2 for Acccel./decel. tracking. This is to keep up when a subject quickly changes speeds. This is under the custom functions menu (orange menu 4), C. Fn II: Autofocus. I’m sure it’s no R5 or R6, but I’ve seen a difference.



The RP’s a bit confusing because it doesn’t have a specific focus menu (purple) like the R. It hides the custom controls.

 

[Larawanista]

Curious if you’ve found the stickiness settings in the RP? For the M6II we have the EFM 32, and it’s usually around 5 ft away from the subject before it’ll pick up eyes. Otherwise it’s face detect.

I have it set all the way to the left (-) for locked on and at +2 for Acccel./decel. tracking. This is to keep up when a subject quickly changes speeds. This is under the custom functions menu (orange menu 4), C. Fn II: Autofocus. I’m sure it’s no R5 or R6, but I’ve seen a difference.

The RP’s a bit confusing because it doesn’t have a specific focus menu (purple) like the R. It hides the custom controls.

Yes, I adjust / customize focusing according to what I need to prioritize. And the M6II indeed detects the eye at closer distance vs R and RP. However I find it more sticky than the RP once it grabs focus. The faster fps technically also means that even if it occasionally loses focus, I'd still have more shots that are focused correctly within the same 1-2 second scene.

But back to the RP, I don't think anyone's buying it with sports in mind in the first place so my comment on focusing shouldn't bother its primary target market, I hope.

 

[jwilliams]

Hello everyone,

I recently upgraded from the Canon 6D to the R6.

So the 6D sits around, collecting dust. I love it, has great colors, it's built like a tank, still kicks butt in low light and has around 12k clicks only.

But the size/weight really bothers me. I've had the camera for a while and developed a neck problem, so I started considering a light camera for fun.

What can you RP owners tell me about image quality, pros, cons and overall shooting experience? Is the trade really worth it?

Thanks!

In short the RP is lighter/smaller than your R6 and has IQ of similar quality to your 6D.

Great little camera if you want to shed some weight and size from your R6 and don't mind the loss of IBIS and a modest step down in IQ. If you don't already own it I highly recommend the RF 24-105 4-7.1 for use on the RP. Makes a great lightweight setup.

 

[MANO41]

Wow!

Those are really nice images! Thanks for sharing.

That is in fact how I imagined the RP to be: small, light, nice IQ. Discreet and practical.

Are the files easy to work with? How would they compare to the original 6D?

Thanks!

 

[MANO41]

Hello everyone,

I recently upgraded from the Canon 6D to the R6.

So the 6D sits around, collecting dust. I love it, has great colors, it's built like a tank, still kicks butt in low light and has around 12k clicks only.

But the size/weight really bothers me. I've had the camera for a while and developed a neck problem, so I started considering a light camera for fun.

What can you RP owners tell me about image quality, pros, cons and overall shooting experience? Is the trade really worth it?

Thanks!

In short the RP is lighter/smaller than your R6 and has IQ of similar quality to your 6D.

Great little camera if you want to shed some weight and size from your R6 and don't mind the loss of IBIS and a modest step down in IQ. If you don't already own it I highly recommend the RF 24-105 4-7.1 for use on the RP. Makes a great lightweight setup.

Thanks!

Thing is, there is no perfect camera. So there will always be some kind of compromise. I guess it is just a matter of knowing the cameras limits and what to expect from it - and more importantly, what NOT TO.

As light gear for travel photography it would work.

 

[amidov]

I have both, RP almost year, and R6 one week. R6 is good camera for work and action shooting. I've gotten wean of weight and size of hand grip of r6, where it more looks like old style dslr. Rp is very comfortable for travel and lite portrait sessions with compact lenses, imho. I consider only continuous shooting is the problem of rp.

 

[Eddie Rizk]

First and foremost, don't hang the camera around your neck, any camera.

I like having two cameras. I went from the 6D as my number one camera and 60D as my number two camera to the R and the 6D.

I do slow and ponderous photography, for the most part, so I didn't feel the need to upgrade to the faster R5 and R6, but I really liked the EVF advantages. When shooting both cameras, the 6D dragged me down a little. Make no mistake, the original 6D has as good IQ as any camera at any price, when it hits just right, but the R gave me a much higher keeper rate and greater ease of use in most situations.

For the above reasons, I replaced my 6D with an RP as my number two camera. It's almost as good as the R in every way, and it has focus stacking. I also want to try it as a travel rig with the RF 24-240, if I ever get it, the 2.5"X2.5" Laowa 14 F4 zero D, if I ever get it, and the RF 35, which I already have and love.

The RP with FF lenses might still be a little big for travel by plane, so I am still considering and M6ii with a few of those tiny lenses, possibly combined with a Sony RX18 iv for a full system for travel.

I'll get back with you if I ever get my new lenses.

I just got a new phone, an iPhone 12 ProMax. I still don't think it's good enough to leave the real camera at home. I will play with it more, in hopes that it changes my mind.

 

[gh172]

My first venture into canon mirrorless was swapping my 6D for an RP. I was quite happy with the RP and still use it instead of my R6 for casual shooting. The trip is nice to have when you need a bigger trip with larger lenses. Otherwise no don’t use it to keep smaller size. The RF 50mm 1.8 pairs excellent with the RP. The battery life isn’t all that great. The autofocus is great, not on same level as R6. I still think it’s a great trade from a 6D though.

I agree with everything that you have said. I upgraded from a 6D to the RP and thought it was a game changer as far as the focusing system goes in comparison to the 6D. It's incredibly light and compact when paired with my RF35mm 1.8

 

[MANO41]

First and foremost, don't hang the camera around your neck, any camera.

I like having two cameras. I went from the 6D as my number one camera and 60D as my number two camera to the R and the 6D.

I do slow and ponderous photography, for the most part, so I didn't feel the need to upgrade to the faster R5 and R6, but I really liked the EVF advantages. When shooting both cameras, the 6D dragged me down a little. Make no mistake, the original 6D has as good IQ as any camera at any price, when it hits just right, but the R gave me a much higher keeper rate and greater ease of use in most situations.

For the above reasons, I replaced my 6D with an RP as my number two camera. It's almost as good as the R in every way, and it has focus stacking. I also want to try it as a travel rig with the RF 24-240, if I ever get it, the 2.5"X2.5" Laowa 14 F4 zero D, if I ever get it, and the RF 35, which I already have and love.

The RP with FF lenses might still be a little big for travel by plane, so I am still considering and M6ii with a few of those tiny lenses, possibly combined with a Sony RX18 iv for a full system for travel.

I'll get back with you if I ever get my new lenses.

I just got a new phone, an iPhone 12 ProMax. I still don't think it's good enough to leave the real camera at home. I will play with it more, in hopes that it changes my mind.

Hi Eddie, thanks for sharing your experience!

I also don't think a smartphone is up to the task of replacing a camera for travel photography. Maybe it's just a generation thing... lol!

I don't hang cameras around my neck any longer. Bought myself a peak design strap and things are a lot easier now.

I love the 6D as well. Love the way it is built like a tank and even though it has some plastic on it, if feels tough and ready for the every day beat up routine. Checked out the shutter count and it's precisely at 10157 clicks.

One thing I find a bit odd about it though - especially considering the R6 - is the tiny window on the OVF. I feel the R6 even improved my composition skills, as it carries a larger viewfinder window.

That said, I will start considering the RP as a back-up option. I would even prefer to use it paired with the 35mm and the 85mm, rather than the heavy 24-105 Kit lens that came with the R6.

 

[Eddie Rizk]

First and foremost, don't hang the camera around your neck, any camera.

I like having two cameras. I went from the 6D as my number one camera and 60D as my number two camera to the R and the 6D.

I do slow and ponderous photography, for the most part, so I didn't feel the need to upgrade to the faster R5 and R6, but I really liked the EVF advantages. When shooting both cameras, the 6D dragged me down a little. Make no mistake, the original 6D has as good IQ as any camera at any price, when it hits just right, but the R gave me a much higher keeper rate and greater ease of use in most situations.

For the above reasons, I replaced my 6D with an RP as my number two camera. It's almost as good as the R in every way, and it has focus stacking. I also want to try it as a travel rig with the RF 24-240, if I ever get it, the 2.5"X2.5" Laowa 14 F4 zero D, if I ever get it, and the RF 35, which I already have and love.

The RP with FF lenses might still be a little big for travel by plane, so I am still considering and M6ii with a few of those tiny lenses, possibly combined with a Sony RX18 iv for a full system for travel.

I'll get back with you if I ever get my new lenses.

I just got a new phone, an iPhone 12 ProMax. I still don't think it's good enough to leave the real camera at home. I will play with it more, in hopes that it changes my mind.

Hi Eddie, thanks for sharing your experience!

I also don't think a smartphone is up to the task of replacing a camera for travel photography. Maybe it's just a generation thing... lol!

Whatever the generation, the difference is clear on the big screen. With the new phone, I will take pictures that I would not otherwise take, because they are good enough for the small screen.



Before I got the 12, I just didn’t take pictures, if I wasn’t carrying my camera. Now, I will carry my camera just as much, but I will take a few with the phone, when I don’t have it, if I see something interesting, mostly for documentary purposes.

I don't hang cameras around my neck any longer. Bought myself a peak design strap and things are a lot easier now

Smart.

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I love the 6D as well. Love the way it is built like a tank and even though it has some plastic on it, if feels tough and ready for the every day beat up routine. Checked out the shutter count and it's precisely at 10157 clicks.

One thing I find a bit odd about it though - especially considering the R6 - is the tiny window on the OVF. I feel the R6 even improved my composition skills, as it carries a larger viewfinder window.

That’s the biggest benefit. In low light, it’s like a night vision scope with perfect color. It’s very rare that I make an exposure mistake, even in changing light, because of exposure preview.

That said, I will start considering the RP as a back-up option. I would even prefer to use it paired with the 35mm and the 85mm, rather than the heavy 24-105 Kit lens that came with the R6.

When I carry two cameras, the number one camera gets the lens I plan to use, and the number two camera gets the one I might need. Or the number one camera gets the longer lens because of its better focusing, and the number two camera gets the wider more forgiving lens.



For example, when I shoot architecture, the R sits on the tripod with the TSE 17 mounted, and the RP hangs on my shoulder with the EF 24-70 F4 to get details, if there are any good ones, and exteriors from a distance, if there is room for such. If I shoot events in low light, the R gets the 85 and the RP gets the 35 If I shoot events in bright light or nature shots, the R gets the longer zoom, and the RP gets the shorter zoom, whichever zooms I take.