Comparing leaf shutters and HSS. A demonstration of simple facts.

[Erik Kaffehr]

squeezing an extra 2/3 of a stopp out of the shutter is great, it won't really change the world, not sure why anyone would want to shoot APSC with this camera, but we are heading towards (more or less) global shutter....

this new Sony looks pretty perfect btw....50 mix, 15 stops DR, crazy speed and AF...hard to find anything wrong.....

Yes a faster shutter is probably a good thing.

Regarding DR, I may think it has gone a bit of inflation into DR. it's probably calculated the DxO-mark way.

I have noticed compressed lossless raw, not a day to early.

No intention to buy...

Best regards

Erik

 

[Paul]

Sony just announced their new flagship Alpha 1 body...won't bore people with a competitor's specs but from the specs - its ground breaking.

But of interest to the FP vs LS discussion - it has a new FP shutter design that flash sync at 1/400 in 35mm mode.

1/500 in APSC mode!

MF is a bigger opening so maybe it would get to 1/250 or 1/320 if that design was scaled up in a Fujifilm 44x33 sensor?

saw that as well, what I think is even more interesting is eshutter flash sync of 1/200 the read out time of this sensor is obviously pretty crazy!

squeezing an extra 2/3 of a stopp out of the shutter is great, it won't really change the world, not sure why anyone would want to shoot APSC with this camera, but we are heading towards (more or less) global shutter....

this new Sony looks pretty perfect btw....50 mix, 15 stops DR, crazy speed and AF...hard to find anything wrong.....

If only Sony IC scaled up that stacked sensor design to 44x33 ... faster output with high resolution ...

I was all set for the GFX 100S - now I am not sure...trading 100 MP in for 50 MP with faster operational speed, better AF but lower picture quality ... hard choice.

I am one of the few Hasselblad guys here, I chose the GFX over X1DII first, but the advantages of my Sonys made up for the slightly better IQ....the difference wasn't drastic enough to justify the hassle.....I do feel the Hasselblad IQ makes the hassle worthwhile...

I am aware of the technical advantages of 100 vs 50 mpix, I don't ever look at my files and wish they were bigger, sharper or more detailed or have fewer artifacts.....

I do think the step up from 50 mix is the (larger) phase 150 back, those files are great, the back is expensive and I really do not need it and do not want the hassle that comes with that.....

I obviously haven't seen the A1 files, I do prefer 3x4 format but I am pretty sure these files will be incredible....15 stops DR is no joke...and the AF is supposed to be faster then A9II? seriously?

 

[Canadianguy]

saw that as well, what I think is even more interesting is eshutter flash sync of 1/200 the read out time of this sensor is obviously pretty crazy!

squeezing an extra 2/3 of a stopp out of the shutter is great, it won't really change the world, not sure why anyone would want to shoot APSC with this camera, but we are heading towards (more or less) global shutter....

this new Sony looks pretty perfect btw....50 mix, 15 stops DR, crazy speed and AF...hard to find anything wrong.....

I missed that 1/200 sync speed on the e-shutter! Guess that's why it has anti-flicker even when using the e-shutter.

 

[Canadianguy]

If only Sony IC scaled up that stacked sensor design to 44x33 ... faster output with high resolution ...

And lower yield.

Yeah - guess its reflected in the pricing...

 

[JimKasson]

If only Sony IC scaled up that stacked sensor design to 44x33 ... faster output with high resolution ...

And lower yield.

Yeah - guess its reflected in the pricing...

I was thinking of a possible 33x44 mm version.

 

[Canadianguy]

I was thinking of a possible 33x44 mm version.

But at what price to us?

GFX 100s - rumoured $5500 USD

Sony Alpha One - $6500 USD

Sony is really going after the D6 and 1Dx MkIII market.

Would be back to the $10,000 USD if Fujifilm put a stacked sensor into one of their GFX bodies?

 

[JimKasson]

I was thinking of a possible 33x44 mm version.

But at what price to us?

GFX 100s - rumoured $5500 USD

Sony Alpha One - $6500 USD

Sony is really going after the D6 and 1Dx MkIII market.

Would be back to the $10,000 USD if Fujifilm put a stacked sensor into one of their GFX bodies?

I think higher than that. The NRE alone would be formidable, when amortized over the expected production.

 

[Paul]

the A1 will do some real damage to competition for motion, all the way up to highest end production.....8k at 30fps and afaik it can be rigged any way you like....

and Sony included some cine tech in the body right from the start....

this camera replaces every body from journalism to high end movie shooting and everything in between....stills and motion.....it literally does it all....

I don't expect IQ to be much better or different then A7RIII or IV so there is still room for the big Fujis and Hasselblad (and phase) but I feel sorry for everything else FF.....

 

[Erik Kaffehr]

Sony just announced their new flagship Alpha 1 body...won't bore people with a competitor's specs but from the specs - its ground breaking.

But of interest to the FP vs LS discussion - it has a new FP shutter design that flash sync at 1/400 in 35mm mode.

1/500 in APSC mode!

MF is a bigger opening so maybe it would get to 1/250 or 1/320 if that design was scaled up in a Fujifilm 44x33 sensor?

saw that as well, what I think is even more interesting is eshutter flash sync of 1/200 the read out time of this sensor is obviously pretty crazy!

squeezing an extra 2/3 of a stopp out of the shutter is great, it won't really change the world, not sure why anyone would want to shoot APSC with this camera, but we are heading towards (more or less) global shutter....

this new Sony looks pretty perfect btw....50 mix, 15 stops DR, crazy speed and AF...hard to find anything wrong.....

If only Sony IC scaled up that stacked sensor design to 44x33 ... faster output with high resolution ...

I was all set for the GFX 100S - now I am not sure...trading 100 MP in for 50 MP with faster operational speed, better AF but lower picture quality ... hard choice.

I am one of the few Hasselblad guys here, I chose the GFX over X1DII first, but the advantages of my Sonys made up for the slightly better IQ....the difference wasn't drastic enough to justify the hassle.....I do feel the Hasselblad IQ makes the hassle worthwhile...

I am aware of the technical advantages of 100 vs 50 mpix, I don't ever look at my files and wish they were bigger, sharper or more detailed or have fewer artifacts.....

In that case it is just fine, isn't it?

I do think the step up from 50 mix is the (larger) phase 150 back, those files are great, the back is expensive and I really do not need it and do not want the hassle that comes with that.....

Interestingly, I have seen a guy who started with Nikon and later went with Hasselblad H6D100c, later he added the GFX 100 and now complemented the stable with a Phase One XF combined with the IQ 4100 Trichromatic.

He found that out of the four systems the GFX 100 gets least use, I never found out why.

I obviously haven't seen the A1 files, I do prefer 3x4 format but I am pretty sure these files will be incredible....15 stops DR is no joke...and the AF is supposed to be faster then A9II? seriously?

I would think there is some inflation in those 15 stops of DR, I guess it is normalised to 8MP, that is the DxO-mark way. Nothing wrong with it, but when you see a number it makes sense to check the unit.

Best regards

Erik