Stupid comments about K3-iii price.

[James O'Neill]

The Ricoh CEO suggested the price would be somewhere towards 200,000 yen. For reference the K1 is 270,000 yen or 350,000 with the 28-105 lens

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So the new camera is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the price of the K1.

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

So anyone quoting $1900 - $100 more than the K1 - as the expected price of the the new camera, please don't take a ball park number for a Japanese audience and divide by the exchange rate

I've been saying $1100 +/- $100 or 2/3 the price of the K1 so nicely in that 1/2-3/4 range, and the same figure with different currency symbols in Europe (€1100) and the UK (£1200). Although Europe and Japan tend to quote figures including local sales taxes and the US tends not to.

 

[Phil A Martin]

1. James O'Neill wrote:

The Ricoh CEO suggested the price would be somewhere towards 200,000 yen. For reference the K1 is 270,000 yen or 350,000 with the 28-105 lens

https://ricohimagingstore.com/camera/pentax/pentax-k-1-2.html

So the new camera is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the price of the K1.

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

So anyone quoting $1900 - $100 more than the K1 - as the expected price of the the new camera, please don't take a ball park number for a Japanese audience and divide by the exchange rate

I've been saying $1100 +/- $100 or 2/3 the price of the K1 so nicely in that 1/2-3/4 range, and the same figure with different currency symbols in Europe (€1100) and the UK (£1200). Although Europe and Japan tend to quote figures including local sales taxes and the US tends not to.

Yes, interesting deductions. The only thing we can say with certainty, is that most of the speculation will be wrong and can only wait until it's official launch; to find out what the price will be in our own particular region.

 

[LightBug]

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

Wow, I didn't know that. That would make the U.S. price much friendlier than the $1900 USD that's been tossed around.

 

[Mark Ransom]

The Ricoh CEO suggested the price would be somewhere towards 200,000 yen. For reference the K1 is 270,000 yen or 350,000 with the 28-105 lens

https://ricohimagingstore.com/camera/pentax/pentax-k-1-2.html

So the new camera is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the price of the K1.

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

So anyone quoting $1900 - $100 more than the K1 - as the expected price of the the new camera, please don't take a ball park number for a Japanese audience and divide by the exchange rate

I've been saying $1100 +/- $100 or 2/3 the price of the K1 so nicely in that 1/2-3/4 range, and the same figure with different currency symbols in Europe (€1100) and the UK (£1200). Although Europe and Japan tend to quote figures including local sales taxes and the US tends not to.

Yet another downside of the strategy of keeping us in the dark about product details. We're forced to make assumptions that may turn out to be wrong. Those assumptions won't always be flattering to the product.

 

[Phil A Martin]

The Ricoh CEO suggested the price would be somewhere towards 200,000 yen. For reference the K1 is 270,000 yen or 350,000 with the 28-105 lens

https://ricohimagingstore.com/camera/pentax/pentax-k-1-2.html

So the new camera is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the price of the K1.

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

So anyone quoting $1900 - $100 more than the K1 - as the expected price of the the new camera, please don't take a ball park number for a Japanese audience and divide by the exchange rate

I've been saying $1100 +/- $100 or 2/3 the price of the K1 so nicely in that 1/2-3/4 range, and the same figure with different currency symbols in Europe (€1100) and the UK (£1200). Although Europe and Japan tend to quote figures including local sales taxes and the US tends not to.

Yet another downside of the strategy of keeping us in the dark about product details. We're forced to make assumptions that may turn out to be wrong. Those assumptions won't always be flattering to the product.

No one is forced to do anything. People choose to speculate and make assumptions whilst some of us were quite happy to be patient, accept we don't know and to wait for the official announcements. I don't know what the price will be but I'm in no rush to buy it and I'm quite happy to wait until it is released in the UK, then I'll know the price with great certainty.

 

[jaap51]

The Ricoh CEO suggested the price would be somewhere towards 200,000 yen. For reference the K1 is 270,000 yen or 350,000 with the 28-105 lens

https://ricohimagingstore.com/camera/pentax/pentax-k-1-2.html

So the new camera is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the price of the K1.

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

So anyone quoting $1900 - $100 more than the K1 - as the expected price of the the new camera, please don't take a ball park number for a Japanese audience and divide by the exchange rate

I've been saying $1100 +/- $100 or 2/3 the price of the K1 so nicely in that 1/2-3/4 range, and the same figure with different currency symbols in Europe (€1100) and the UK (£1200). Although Europe and Japan tend to quote figures including local sales taxes and the US tends not to.

You should have taken the introduction price of the K1 for comparison and not the current price

 

[Mark Ransom]

Yet another downside of the strategy of keeping us in the dark about product details. We're forced to make assumptions that may turn out to be wrong. Those assumptions won't always be flattering to the product.

No one is forced to do anything. People choose to speculate and make assumptions whilst some of us were quite happy to be patient, accept we don't know and to wait for the official announcements. I don't know what the price will be but I'm in no rush to buy it and I'm quite happy to wait until it is released in the UK, then I'll know the price with great certainty.

And what will your thoughts be in the meantime? That's what this is really about, a form of manipulation, trying to keep us thinking about the product without forming bad opinions about it. I'm not convinced that the strategy is effective.

 

[johnami]

There is already a thread running about the posssible price of the new body.
I don't believe people are expressing 'stupid' ideas, just their opinions. It's something to talk about for lack of anything else. Whatever, if you can afford it and desire it, you will buy it, no matter what the local price.
And that will be good for Ricoh and its brand Pentax.
Happily Pentax aren't launching the K3.3 now as we enter our second 'lockdown' in France. All shops are having to close down for November.
Amazon will be happy approaching the festive season...ho ho hooo..

 

[Phil A Martin]

Yet another downside of the strategy of keeping us in the dark about product details. We're forced to make assumptions that may turn out to be wrong. Those assumptions won't always be flattering to the product.

No one is forced to do anything. People choose to speculate and make assumptions whilst some of us were quite happy to be patient, accept we don't know and to wait for the official announcements. I don't know what the price will be but I'm in no rush to buy it and I'm quite happy to wait until it is released in the UK, then I'll know the price with great certainty.

And what will your thoughts be in the meantime? That's what this is really about, a form of manipulation, trying to keep us thinking about the product without forming bad opinions about it. I'm not convinced that the strategy is effective.

I have no thoughts about it, I'm too busy thinking about photography to worry about tools.

 

[belnan]

The Ricoh CEO suggested the price would be somewhere towards 200,000 yen. For reference the K1 is 270,000 yen or 350,000 with the 28-105 lens

https://ricohimagingstore.com/camera/pentax/pentax-k-1-2.html

So the new camera is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the price of the K1.

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

So anyone quoting $1900 - $100 more than the K1 - as the expected price of the the new camera, please don't take a ball park number for a Japanese audience and divide by the exchange rate

I've been saying $1100 +/- $100 or 2/3 the price of the K1 so nicely in that 1/2-3/4 range, and the same figure with different currency symbols in Europe (€1100) and the UK (£1200). Although Europe and Japan tend to quote figures including local sales taxes and the US tends not to.

I think you are being a bit optimistic but 1400 to 1600 might be more likely. In any sense no need to worry about it. Put away 50 dollars a month and you will have made up the difference by the time it is released.

 

[Smitty1]

The Ricoh CEO suggested the price would be somewhere towards 200,000 yen. For reference the K1 is 270,000 yen or 350,000 with the 28-105 lens

https://ricohimagingstore.com/camera/pentax/pentax-k-1-2.html

So the new camera is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the price of the K1.

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

So anyone quoting $1900 - $100 more than the K1 - as the expected price of the the new camera, please don't take a ball park number for a Japanese audience and divide by the exchange rate

I've been saying $1100 +/- $100 or 2/3 the price of the K1 so nicely in that 1/2-3/4 range, and the same figure with different currency symbols in Europe (€1100) and the UK (£1200). Although Europe and Japan tend to quote figures including local sales taxes and the US tends not to.

The Ricoh didn't say somewhere towards 200,000 yen. What he said in the video (9:48 timestamp) is ''upper 200,000 yen range'. That is the reason for the 'stupid' (as you put it) comments pondering if the price will be higher than 1900 USD. Because that statement can be taken as upwards to 200,000 yen or in the upper two hundred thousands.

Only after the video was posted, and discussion was had, did the figure get revised to 200,000 yen.

 

[chessov]

Fully agree with you. This has perhaps been inadvertently amplified by the fact dpreview made the same assumption of 1900$ on their news item here: https://www.dpreview.com/news/00917...-specifications-forthcoming-pentax-aps-c-dslr

"No pricing has been decided at this point in time, but the video does note it will retail in the ‘upper 200,000 yen (approximately $1,900) range.’ "

Perhaps better if they removed the '(approximately $1,900)' bit, or instead clarified with something like '(approximately $1,900, but bear in mind this is for the Japanese price that includes taxes and is normally higher than the corresponding US price)'.

 

[James O'Neill]

The Ricoh CEO suggested the price would be somewhere towards 200,000 yen. For reference the K1 is 270,000 yen or 350,000 with the 28-105 lens

https://ricohimagingstore.com/camera/pentax/pentax-k-1-2.html

So the new camera is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the price of the K1.

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

So anyone quoting $1900 - $100 more than the K1 - as the expected price of the the new camera, please don't take a ball park number for a Japanese audience and divide by the exchange rate

I've been saying $1100 +/- $100 or 2/3 the price of the K1 so nicely in that 1/2-3/4 range, and the same figure with different currency symbols in Europe (€1100) and the UK (£1200). Although Europe and Japan tend to quote figures including local sales taxes and the US tends not to.

The Ricoh didn't say somewhere towards 200,000 yen. What he said in the video (9:48 timestamp) is ''upper 200,000 yen range'. That is the reason for the 'stupid' (as you put it) comments pondering if the price will be higher than 1900 USD. Because that statement can be taken as upwards to 200,000 yen or in the upper two hundred thousands.

Only after the video was posted, and discussion was had, did the figure get revised to 200,000 yen.

There seem to be multiple interpretations. The trolls and Pentax bashers take the interpreter's words "upper 200,000 yen range" to mean "Nearly 300,000 yen". The other view is "in the heading towards 200K bracket"

What was stupid was ignoring Japanese pricing being 45-50% higher than US pricing.

If you were going to introduce a new APS-C model would you price it higher than your FF model . If you were using the name K3-something, would you hike the price by 80% over the previous K3 ? You wouldn't be so stupid, would you, so why assume Ricoh are ?

 

[dnscott645]

190,000 yen = about $1,900. I have been there and bought equipment there. Taxes included.

 

[Smitty1]

The Ricoh CEO suggested the price would be somewhere towards 200,000 yen. For reference the K1 is 270,000 yen or 350,000 with the 28-105 lens

https://ricohimagingstore.com/camera/pentax/pentax-k-1-2.html

So the new camera is somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 of the price of the K1.

The K1 on B&H lists for $1800 - which would ~ 190,000 yen. That's right the Japanese price is ~50% more than the US price.

So anyone quoting $1900 - $100 more than the K1 - as the expected price of the the new camera, please don't take a ball park number for a Japanese audience and divide by the exchange rate

I've been saying $1100 +/- $100 or 2/3 the price of the K1 so nicely in that 1/2-3/4 range, and the same figure with different currency symbols in Europe (€1100) and the UK (£1200). Although Europe and Japan tend to quote figures including local sales taxes and the US tends not to.

The Ricoh didn't say somewhere towards 200,000 yen. What he said in the video (9:48 timestamp) is ''upper 200,000 yen range'. That is the reason for the 'stupid' (as you put it) comments pondering if the price will be higher than 1900 USD. Because that statement can be taken as upwards to 200,000 yen or in the upper two hundred thousands.

Only after the video was posted, and discussion was had, did the figure get revised to 200,000 yen.

There seem to be multiple interpretations. The trolls and Pentax bashers take the interpreter's words "upper 200,000 yen range" to mean "Nearly 300,000 yen". The other view is "in the heading towards 200K bracket"

What was stupid was ignoring Japanese pricing being 45-50% higher than US pricing.

If you were going to introduce a new APS-C model would you price it higher than your FF model . If you were using the name K3-something, would you hike the price by 80% over the previous K3 ? You wouldn't be so stupid, would you, so why assume Ricoh are ?

I decline to speculate on what others motivations for thinking the higher number over the lower. Not sure it's just 'trolls' and 'Pentax bashers' who take the upper range value interpretation.

I also decline speculate on the reasons Ricoh price their products, but I understand your reasoning for what you believe.

I'll just say there is currently uncertainty in what Ricoh meant and that uncertainty will be resolved shortly when the product is officially announced and preorders are taken.

 

[Mark Ransom]

I decline to speculate on what others motivations for thinking the higher number over the lower. Not sure it's just 'trolls' and 'Pentax bashers' who take the upper range value interpretation.

I also decline speculate on the reasons Ricoh price their products, but I understand your reasoning for what you believe.

I'll just say there is currently uncertainty in what Ricoh meant and that uncertainty will be resolved shortly when the product is officially announced and preorders are taken.

Since Pentax declined to announce definite prices, and even the vague guidelines were only given in Yen, we're forced to guess. It's natural for there to be wide variations in those guesses.

I'd love to know what your definition of "shortly" is, because I suspect we'll still be in the dark for many months.

 

[Smitty1]

I decline to speculate on what others motivations for thinking the higher number over the lower. Not sure it's just 'trolls' and 'Pentax bashers' who take the upper range value interpretation.

I also decline speculate on the reasons Ricoh price their products, but I understand your reasoning for what you believe.

I'll just say there is currently uncertainty in what Ricoh meant and that uncertainty will be resolved shortly when the product is officially announced and preorders are taken.

Since Pentax declined to announce definite prices, and even the vague guidelines were only given in Yen, we're forced to guess. It's natural for there to be wide variations in those guesses.

Thank you. My point exactly. There is no need to label people bashers or trolls for formulating a guess on what the Ricoh rep meant, since they made a statement that could be construed one way or the other.

I'd love to know what your definition of "shortly" is, because I suspect we'll still be in the dark for many months.

Considering it's been years since the K-3 II was discontinued, a few more months is relatively short to me lol

Some guy (ooku?) claims it will be 'released' in the next month but 'you' wont get it in your hands until CP+. Total rumor. But even if it launches in 6 months it's still a short amount of time in Pentax time.

 

[James O'Neill]

190,000 yen = about $1,900. I have been there and bought equipment there. Taxes included.

No one is disputing the exchange rate. But a car which sells for €20,000 in Europe is not 20,000 x exchange rate in the US, A camera which sells for ¥200,000 in Japan does not sell for 200,000 x exchange rate in the US.

If you go on Ricoh's web site and compare UK and French/German prices the DFA*85 was £1,999 and €1,999 respectively, when £1 was about €1.1 so it should have been ~1800 and 2000.

 

[James O'Neill]

I decline to speculate on what others motivations for thinking the higher number over the lower. Not sure it's just 'trolls' and 'Pentax bashers' who take the upper range value interpretation.

I also decline speculate on the reasons Ricoh price their products, but I understand your reasoning for what you believe.

I'll just say there is currently uncertainty in what Ricoh meant and that uncertainty will be resolved shortly when the product is officially announced and preorders are taken.

Since Pentax declined to announce definite prices, and even the vague guidelines were only given in Yen, we're forced to guess. It's natural for there to be wide variations in those guesses.

Thank you. My point exactly. There is no need to label people bashers or trolls for formulating a guess on what the Ricoh rep meant, since they made a statement that could be construed one way or the other.

For clarity; people who took the words "upper ¥200K range" to mean ~ ¥290, divided it by the $ / € exchange rate and said "Pentax users, this APS-C camera will be 50% more than the present FF camera when it is in the stores near you". .... what would you call them ? Innumerate ? Ignorant of international pricing ? Or having some to motivation post something anti-Pentax ?

I'd love to know what your definition of "shortly" is, because I suspect we'll still be in the dark for many months.

For some people 4 months is shortly. Pentax released a tweaked K1 in 2018, nothing in 2019, nothing in 2020, so the gap from the last new camera (KP) to the K3-iii will be 4 years, is we're more than 90% through the wait. If you'd said to people in 2017 we'd get to 2020 without seeing another new Pentax, most people would have assumed the operation would have closed.

Some guy (ooku?) claims it will be 'released' in the next month but 'you' wont get it in your hands until CP+. Total rumor. But even if it launches in 6 months it's still a short amount of time in Pentax time.

This has been a sort of a soft launch. "Here's what the camera IS but you can't order it yet." Then there will be "You can place an order but we can't fulfil it yet" and then there will be "It's on the shelves."

I was saying in 2017 / 2018 I'd order the 85 as soon as someone would take my money, as it turned out no-one would take an order until about 10 days before it was delivered.

 

[Massao]

What is Li talking about here?