Used RX 100 mk 7 cheaper than previous models?

[André BARELIER]

Hi all Sony users,

Very interested in the RX100, as a travel camera.

The mk 7 version looks very interesting, but is overpriced IMO.

I'm browsing trough a website where you can find tons of used items, and among them, RX 100 cameras (https://www.leboncoin.fr/)

What I find quite strange is that the RX100 Mk 7 is very often noticeably cheaper than the previous models (Mk4, Mk5, VA, and Mk6).

Do you know why? Are there some folks here who bought a Mk7 and sold it to buy a previous version?

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André

 

[sybersitizen]

What I find quite strange is that the RX100 Mk 7 is very often noticeably cheaper than the previous models (Mk4, Mk5, VA, and Mk6).

Do you know why?

No, I can't think of any good reason for that.

 

[Mina J]

Hi all Sony users,

Very interested in the RX100, as a travel camera.

The mk 7 version looks very interesting, but is overpriced IMO.

I'm browsing trough a website where you can find tons of used items, and among them, RX 100 cameras (https://www.leboncoin.fr/)

What I find quite strange is that the RX100 Mk 7 is very often noticeably cheaper than the previous models (Mk4, Mk5, VA, and Mk6).

Do you know why? Are there some folks here who bought a Mk7 and sold it to buy a previous version?

You may have already seen this comparison of the RX100's with the prices (new).

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/7237085229/which-sony-rx100-is-right-for-you

The M7 is the most expensive and with so much going on now financially, people may just want to sell and get the most they can with a competitive price. I think it would be very appealing to many having the newest version (rated Best camera for travel in DPreview Buying Guide) for a lower price than an older model.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-cameras-for-travel

I have the M7 and am extremely happy with it. I bought it new and don't expect to buy another camera anytime soon because I am now very satisfied with the gear I have.

I hope the above helps,

Mina J

 

[john Clinch]

That doesn't seem to be the case in the UK. I think it's just local supply and demand

 

[André BARELIER]

Hi all Sony users,

Very interested in the RX100, as a travel camera.

The mk 7 version looks very interesting, but is overpriced IMO.

I'm browsing trough a website where you can find tons of used items, and among them, RX 100 cameras (https://www.leboncoin.fr/)

What I find quite strange is that the RX100 Mk 7 is very often noticeably cheaper than the previous models (Mk4, Mk5, VA, and Mk6).

Do you know why? Are there some folks here who bought a Mk7 and sold it to buy a previous version?

You may have already seen this comparison of the RX100's with the prices (new).

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/7237085229/which-sony-rx100-is-right-for-you

The M7 is the most expensive and with so much going on now financially, people may just want to sell and get the most they can with a competitive price. I think it would be very appealing to many having the newest version (rated Best camera for travel in DPreview Buying Guide) for a lower price than an older model.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-cameras-for-travel

I have the M7 and am extremely happy with it. I bought it new and don't expect to buy another camera anytime soon because I am now very satisfied with the gear I have.

I hope the above helps,

Mina J

Thank you Mina for your answer. Yes, I have already read the tests.

Buying new is not an option. The M7 is too expensive here in France (about EUR 1250, which is USD 1500 equivalent).

Buying used is always risky. That's why I'm wondering why there are such very low prices (less than EUR 500) for that camera.

Have a great day.

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André

 

[André BARELIER]

That doesn't seem to be the case in the UK. I think it's just local supply and demand

Thank you John.

 

[Mina J]

Hi all Sony users,

Very interested in the RX100, as a travel camera.

The mk 7 version looks very interesting, but is overpriced IMO.

I'm browsing trough a website where you can find tons of used items, and among them, RX 100 cameras (https://www.leboncoin.fr/)

What I find quite strange is that the RX100 Mk 7 is very often noticeably cheaper than the previous models (Mk4, Mk5, VA, and Mk6).

Do you know why? Are there some folks here who bought a Mk7 and sold it to buy a previous version?

You may have already seen this comparison of the RX100's with the prices (new).

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/7237085229/which-sony-rx100-is-right-for-you

The M7 is the most expensive and with so much going on now financially, people may just want to sell and get the most they can with a competitive price. I think it would be very appealing to many having the newest version (rated Best camera for travel in DPreview Buying Guide) for a lower price than an older model.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-cameras-for-travel

I have the M7 and am extremely happy with it. I bought it new and don't expect to buy another camera anytime soon because I am now very satisfied with the gear I have.

I hope the above helps,

Mina J

Thank you Mina for your answer. Yes, I have already read the tests.

Buying new is not an option. The M7 is too expensive here in France (about EUR 1250, which is USD 1500 equivalent).

Buying used is always risky. That's why I'm wondering why there are such very low prices (less than EUR 500) for that camera.

Have a great day.

I can understand your concerns about the camera and prices. I hope you find a good one at a good price. It’s getting near the holidays and you may find a new one at a great price. I would keep looking until you feel ok about the deal.

You have a great day as well,

Mina

 

[HRPuffnstuff]

My M7 has been used more by other folks than myself as I use my M5 more for the f1.8 with pictures. I loaned the M7 to my sister and she loves it so I'm thinking it's a good Christmas present for her

 

[elliottnewcomb]

I like buying used, especially one I can get a remainder of factory warranty, or buy a separate Square Trade 'accidental' warranty. They are slippery bars of soap.

My country only, return for full refund, buy it now or make offer.

And, I ask seller to take and send me images first, I specify specific settings, especially small aperture f8, f11 of featureless sky or wall, to prove no spots on sensor or back of lens.

Open Box, receipt that says open box (not used), gets Sony's full 1 year warranty.

If used, if seller has original receipt, that establishes the start of the 1 year warranty. All you need is a COPY of that receipt to make a warranty claim. It could be sold an infinite # of times, just a copy of original sale date.

Square Trade Warranties are easily transferrable to a buyer, other companies have specific procedures, others simply not transferrable.

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And, if the lcd is scuffed up, that's great, use that to drive the price down, and remove the scuffs by removing the factory thick plastic film, put an inexpensive tempered glass protective layer on. I've done that to new ones right out of the box, 4 different camera's lcds, and one, after two years, tiny chip in the edge of the protector, easily off, new on on.

these fit many models (3 for $8.00)

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It must be said, if it sounds too good to be true, it IS too good to be true (more than likely)

 

[aerorail]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...



oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

 

[sybersitizen]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...

oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

I don't think they test those sensors independent of the lenses, so the variations in scoring primarily reflect the faster apertures of the shorter lenses. Some other slight differences can probably be attributed to variations in the samples and the testing procedures.

 

[john Clinch]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...

oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

I don't think they test those sensors independent of the lenses, so the variations in scoring primarily reflect the faster apertures of the shorter lenses. Some other slight differences can probably be attributed to variations in the samples and the testing procedures.

My memory is that the fast read out new sensor isn't quite as good for noise

 

[Anders_K]

Be careful about gray market and "gray" dealers (trying to be politically correct...)

Unless you are REALLY sure to being able to return it and get your money back, after sales AND during warranty time, avoid the trap.

I'd be willing to pay 15% more to support a local dealer and know that they will be there and support me as a paying customer whenever I need them.

 

[Ed B]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...

oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

I can't really comment on the MK VI or MK VII because I don't own either one but I'm like you and value a fast lens more than a long lens.

I have an RX100V and have no complaints about image quality. I think it's a very good small camera.

A little too small, in some ways.

 

[sybersitizen]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...

oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

I don't think they test those sensors independent of the lenses, so the variations in scoring primarily reflect the faster apertures of the shorter lenses. Some other slight differences can probably be attributed to variations in the samples and the testing procedures.

My memory is that the fast read out new sensor isn't quite as good for noise

Memory being what it is, we might want to see where some info on that exists.

Also, doesn't fast readout apply to the M5 as well as the M7?

 

[john Clinch]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...

oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

I don't think they test those sensors independent of the lenses, so the variations in scoring primarily reflect the faster apertures of the shorter lenses. Some other slight differences can probably be attributed to variations in the samples and the testing procedures.

My memory is that the fast read out new sensor isn't quite as good for noise

Memory being what it is, we might want to see where some info on that exists.

Also, doesn't fast readout apply to the M5 as well as the M7?

"However, this sensor has on-chip PDAF with 357 points and is a “stacked”-type sensor with a layer that uses dynamic random access memory (DRAM) for processing, enabling faster readout. This could mean faster AF and burst capture, as well as improved video and live view; it appears from our results, however, that the design impacts image performance somewhat."

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Again from memory the Va has the newer sensor not the V

 

[sybersitizen]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...

oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

I don't think they test those sensors independent of the lenses, so the variations in scoring primarily reflect the faster apertures of the shorter lenses. Some other slight differences can probably be attributed to variations in the samples and the testing procedures.

My memory is that the fast read out new sensor isn't quite as good for noise

Memory being what it is, we might want to see where some info on that exists.

Also, doesn't fast readout apply to the M5 as well as the M7?

"However, this sensor has on-chip PDAF with 357 points and is a “stacked”-type sensor with a layer that uses dynamic random access memory (DRAM) for processing, enabling faster readout. This could mean faster AF and burst capture, as well as improved video and live view; it appears from our results, however, that the design impacts image performance somewhat."

https://www.dxomark.com/sony-cyber-shot-dsc-rx100-vii-sensor-review/

OSPDAF has been shown to sometimes produce pixel-width line banding, but I don't know about a noise impact.

Again from memory the Va has the newer sensor not the V

I don't see that difference mentioned here:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/80362...0-va-bringing-rx100-vi-processor-and-firmware

 

[john Clinch]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...

oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

I don't think they test those sensors independent of the lenses, so the variations in scoring primarily reflect the faster apertures of the shorter lenses. Some other slight differences can probably be attributed to variations in the samples and the testing procedures.

My memory is that the fast read out new sensor isn't quite as good for noise

Memory being what it is, we might want to see where some info on that exists.

Also, doesn't fast readout apply to the M5 as well as the M7?

"However, this sensor has on-chip PDAF with 357 points and is a “stacked”-type sensor with a layer that uses dynamic random access memory (DRAM) for processing, enabling faster readout. This could mean faster AF and burst capture, as well as improved video and live view; it appears from our results, however, that the design impacts image performance somewhat."

https://www.dxomark.com/sony-cyber-shot-dsc-rx100-vii-sensor-review/

OSPDAF has been shown to sometimes produce pixel-width line banding, but I don't know about a noise impact.

Again from memory the Va has the newer sensor not the V

I don't see that difference mentioned here:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/80362...0-va-bringing-rx100-vi-processor-and-firmware

So that link confirms that the V, VA and VI have the same sensor? The Vii is the one I quoted about earlier as performing less well in the do noise test.

 

[sybersitizen]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...

oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

I don't think they test those sensors independent of the lenses, so the variations in scoring primarily reflect the faster apertures of the shorter lenses. Some other slight differences can probably be attributed to variations in the samples and the testing procedures.

My memory is that the fast read out new sensor isn't quite as good for noise

Memory being what it is, we might want to see where some info on that exists.

Also, doesn't fast readout apply to the M5 as well as the M7?

"However, this sensor has on-chip PDAF with 357 points and is a “stacked”-type sensor with a layer that uses dynamic random access memory (DRAM) for processing, enabling faster readout. This could mean faster AF and burst capture, as well as improved video and live view; it appears from our results, however, that the design impacts image performance somewhat."

https://www.dxomark.com/sony-cyber-shot-dsc-rx100-vii-sensor-review/

OSPDAF has been shown to sometimes produce pixel-width line banding, but I don't know about a noise impact.

Again from memory the Va has the newer sensor not the V

I don't see that difference mentioned here:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/80362...0-va-bringing-rx100-vi-processor-and-firmware

So that link confirms that the V, VA and VI have the same sensor?

It doesn't confirm anything, but it doesn't mention a difference between the sensors in the V and Va - does it? You suggested a difference between them. BTW, even the M4 had a stacked sensor, and it received the highest DxOMark score of the entire series:

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/7237085229/which-sony-rx100-is-right-for-you?slide=5

The Vii is the one I quoted about earlier as performing less well in the do noise test.

Yes, I see what you said about noise. The link you provided refers to image performance. I'm not clear about what that is. Are you thinking that's noise?

You were trying to make a case concerning worse noise in the M7 than in the M5, which might be true ... but I don't get how its new AF system - which I think is the only described difference between the sensor in the M7 and the ones in those earlier models - leads to that.

 

[Digital Nigel]

they're up to 7 already???

when they go back to a 1.8 i'll consider a new version... maybe...

oddly most previous versions of rx100 have higher overall scores @dxomark than the m7

sensor-wise the m5 tops all

I don't think they test those sensors independent of the lenses, so the variations in scoring primarily reflect the faster apertures of the shorter lenses. Some other slight differences can probably be attributed to variations in the samples and the testing procedures.

My memory is that the fast read out new sensor isn't quite as good for noise

Memory being what it is, we might want to see where some info on that exists.

Also, doesn't fast readout apply to the M5 as well as the M7?

"However, this sensor has on-chip PDAF with 357 points and is a “stacked”-type sensor with a layer that uses dynamic random access memory (DRAM) for processing, enabling faster readout. This could mean faster AF and burst capture, as well as improved video and live view; it appears from our results, however, that the design impacts image performance somewhat."

https://www.dxomark.com/sony-cyber-shot-dsc-rx100-vii-sensor-review/

OSPDAF has been shown to sometimes produce pixel-width line banding, but I don't know about a noise impact.

Again from memory the Va has the newer sensor not the V

I don't see that difference mentioned here:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/80362...0-va-bringing-rx100-vi-processor-and-firmware

So that link confirms that the V, VA and VI have the same sensor?

It doesn't confirm anything, but it doesn't mention a difference between the sensors in the V and Va - does it? You suggested a difference between them. BTW, even the M4 had a stacked sensor, and it received the highest DxOMark score of the entire series:

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/7237085229/which-sony-rx100-is-right-for-you?slide=5

The Vii is the one I quoted about earlier as performing less well in the do noise test.

Yes, I see what you said about noise. The link you provided refers to image performance. I'm not clear about what that is. Are you thinking that's noise?

You were trying to make a case concerning worse noise in the M7 than in the M5, which might be true ... but I don't get how its new AF system - which I think is the only described difference between the sensor in the M7 and the ones in those earlier models - leads to that.

It has more phase detect pixels, leaving fewer for image capture?