Need advice: Sony RX100VII or Panasonic TZ200

[Inge1]

I am currently looking into trading in my panny FZ2500 and am looking into 2 camera's 1 being the Sony RX100markVII and the other the Panny TZ200. The reason I am looking into a smaller camera is that I am preparing for a RTW tour by bike (in about 2 years time) and try to reduce as much weight as I can. I like my 2500 but saving roughly 700 grams on camera kit is worth it for me to go for a smaller but good quality camera.

I like the menu structure within panny cameras but am not familiar with Sony menustructure - all I know from reading is that it is less intuitive.

What I would like your advice on is which camera to go for. I know that the Panny has more zoom than Sony but is slightly heavier due to the extra zoom. Though for animal photography the extra zoom will be handy. Quality of images apparently lies very close together though since the Sony is the newer camera of the two I suspect that a newer chip has also been used. The big advantage, I think but maybe I am wrong, is the flip up touch screen which the panny does not have.

Price wise the Sony is twice as expensive as the Panny - I do not mind paying that as long as it is really worth it.

So please help me out to make a well-informed choice. Any and all thoughts are very welcome.

 

[Maxmolly7]

I hope I can help, as gone through the same dilemma! ;-)

After a positive 2 years spent with the Lumix TZ 202 as main holiday camera, I bought recently a used RX 100 VII which came with the optional Sony grip.
Without grip is impossible to hold it securely, but although this grip helps for sure, my hand feels sometimes cramped.
I did some intense but subjective testing side by side for my usage as a travel and go-everywhere camera.

• The RX customization is not easy to understand and the RX menu is (for me coming from Lumix & Canon) strangely organized with several levels into the depth. A full pdf-manual for the RX 100 VII is difficult to find on the internet and after finally finding a link, the next best language for me is in English. Via the Sony standard site you find:
  https://helpguide.sony.net/dsc/1920/v1/en/index.html
  In addition, I can recommend "The White Book" to set up the camera step by step.
  Once it is configured to individual taste, the Sony works very well.
• The AF system of the TZ is very good, the one found on the Sony is outstanding! Especially the various AF auto-modes work very well and subject tracking is lightning fast!
• The Lumix and my Canon cameras seem easier to change settings without having to use a manual.
  The touch screen in the Sony is only used to set AF point.
  The rear screen of the TZ is fixed but it can be used to modify settings like a smartphone touch. It is bright enough in daylight and even over head shots are possible.
  The flip screen of the Sony add more significantly more flexibility to the overall usage of the camera.
• The TZ handles slightly better than the Sony.
• Battery life is noticeably shorter on the Sony than on TZ 202.
• What I like is that the viewfinder of the Sony works a lot better for me when wearing glasses. It has a slightly larger view, too.
• The IQ of both cameras is already on a high level, but the RX is overall better, especially towards the corners.
  However, the Sony is not as good as the TZ when shooting macro like close-ups. The TZ can magnify several times more (3-4?) due to nearer minimum focus; this may be important e.g. for flower and insect shots.
• The Sony can be used with optional filter holder the TZ not. I installed one to use a polarizer and ND filter.
• I could not detect any significant difference in noise or dynamic range between the 2 cameras yet, but the Sony seems to have a slight edge due to wider base aperture and new (stacked) sensor.
• The first looks at the images from left me uncertain, but after a few more rounds to me the the Sony seems to be the clear winner if IQ is more important than focal length (200 vs. 360mm)!
  The stats of my TZ images of approx. 3000+ shots are
  - 820 at 24mm
  - 100 at 200mm
  - 350 at 360mm (many close-ups and detail shots)
  - other focal lengths in between, single to double digit counts but <50 at maximum.

Resume: I like the handling and the focal length of the TZ better, but the Sony is the better photographic tool (for me).

 

[Inge1]

I hope I can help, as gone through the same dilemma! ;-)

After a positive 2 years spent with the Lumix TZ 202 as main holiday camera, I bought recently a used RX 100 VII which came with the optional Sony grip.
Without grip is impossible to hold it securely, but although this grip helps for sure, my hand feels sometimes cramped.
I did some intense but subjective testing side by side for my usage as a travel and go-everywhere camera.

• The RX customization is not easy to understand and the RX menu is (for me coming from Lumix & Canon) strangely organized with several levels into the depth. A full pdf-manual for the RX 100 VII is difficult to find on the internet and after finally finding a link, the next best language for me is in English. Via the Sony standard site you find:
  https://helpguide.sony.net/dsc/1920/v1/en/index.html
  In addition, I can recommend "The White Book" to set up the camera step by step.
  Once it is configured to individual taste, the Sony works very well.
• The AF system of the TZ is very good, the one found on the Sony is outstanding! Especially the various AF auto-modes work very well and subject tracking is lightning fast!
• The Lumix and my Canon cameras seem easier to change settings without having to use a manual.
  The touch screen in the Sony is only used to set AF point.
  The rear screen of the TZ is fixed but it can be used to modify settings like a smartphone touch. It is bright enough in daylight and even over head shots are possible.
  The flip screen of the Sony add more significantly more flexibility to the overall usage of the camera.
• The TZ handles slightly better than the Sony.
• Battery life is noticeably shorter on the Sony than on TZ 202.
• What I like is that the viewfinder of the Sony works a lot better for me when wearing glasses. It has a slightly larger view, too.
• The IQ of both cameras is already on a high level, but the RX is overall better, especially towards the corners.
  However, the Sony is not as good as the TZ when shooting macro like close-ups. The TZ can magnify several times more (3-4?) due to nearer minimum focus; this may be important e.g. for flower and insect shots.
• The Sony can be used with optional filter holder the TZ not. I installed one to use a polarizer and ND filter.
• I could not detect any significant difference in noise or dynamic range between the 2 cameras yet, but the Sony seems to have a slight edge due to wider base aperture and new (stacked) sensor.
• The first looks at the images from left me uncertain, but after a few more rounds to me the the Sony seems to be the clear winner if IQ is more important than focal length (200 vs. 360mm)!
  The stats of my TZ images of approx. 3000+ shots are
  - 820 at 24mm
  - 100 at 200mm
  - 350 at 360mm (many close-ups and detail shots)
  - other focal lengths in between, single to double digit counts but <50 at maximum.

Resume: I like the handling and the focal length of the TZ better, but the Sony is the better photographic tool (for me).

Maxmolly7 - thanks a million for your very extensive reply and brilliant that you could compare & test both camera's.

So if in the end I favour the Sony I alson need to get the grip for better handling - good to know . I do not have massive hands but like a good grip on the camera.

Good to know that indeed the Sony menu is not as intuitive as the panny's (had an Olympus before the Panny) and found both equally intuitive. Guess that means getting to grips with and studying on the Sony menu.

Brilliant the link you provided to help set-up the camera properly and the title of a book book to set up the camera step by step. saves me having to find it all out . You say that "Once it is configured to individual taste, the Sony works very well." - so I take it that their atre a few custom menu's to be set up - ,like on the Panny (set1,2,3)?

"Especially the various AF auto-modes work very well and subject tracking is lightning fast!" this I like a lot, since I tend to take a lot of animal photos when travelling.

It is a pity that Sony only uses the "the touch screen to set AF point I like the fact that on the panny you can use it to set various menu settings. i guess if it will become the Sony I just have to deal with it .

That is a downer that battery life is not so good on the Sony - is it possible to use "stronger" batteries with the camera so eg a 1350Mah battery instead of the original 1240Mah one?

Good to know that the vieuwfinder works very well with glasses since I wear them too.

So Sony no soft edges - nice to know whereas the panny is better for macro since it gets closer. To me this is less important than no soft corners - I do take macro shots of flowers and bugs but not so very often. Or if I do take them I also often use the telezoom.

Good that you mention that the Sony can be used with a filter for I do like to have one on the camera as lens protection. I assumed that for camera's that would not be possible.

"I could not detect any significant difference in noise or dynamic range between the 2 cameras yet, but the Sony seems to have a slight edge due to wider base aperture and new (stacked) sensor." - good to know that you did not spot any differences in noise or dynamic range but that maybe Sony is slightly better due to the wider base aperture and sensor. I had a feeling this might have been the case - so nice to know that my hunch was correct.

I like a good IQ a lot especially, since this will be a trip of a lifetime - hence my search for a replacement for the 2500 so that I can get familiar with a new camera before I leave. Though a good focal length is also important to me to capture far away scenes - or is it possible to use a photoprogramme to get decent results of cropping parts of a photo on a computer later on?

Makes you want to wish that Sony & Panny would combine the strenghs of their camera's and combine it to create a camera together in which all the strong suits put into one. Guess that will remain wishful thinking.

For now I think the Sony wins, though I still have to put the pro's and con's in a list and find out which comes out as best for my needs. Thank you for putting me on a good track. For now it seems as if Sony might come out on top even though it has a more complicated menu structure, slightly more difficult handling & less zoom but like the no soft edging, brilliant AF tracking, possibility of using filters & very good IQ.

 

[Digital Nigel]

To add to Maxmolly7's excellent advice:

• The TZ200 has a very old Sony sensor, dating from 2013. The RX100M2 used that old sensor. The RX100M7 has a state-of-the-art modern version, dating from 2019. That newer sensor has a much, much faster data read-out and the latest PDAF focusing. Those features enable many advantages, including full sensor usage in 4K video (which gets you a wider angle, as well as almost eliminating rolling shutter effects), and the fastest focusing and tracking available, that can match most professional sports DSLRs. The TZ200 has Panasonic's DFD, which is a slightly faster version of old-fashioned CDAF. The
• RX100M7 can shoot at 20 fps, with continuous focusing, tracking and exposure metering. That's way ahead of any Panasonic, even the expensive S1 and S1R.
• The TZ200 has the clever 4K photo modes. Providing that you don't mind 8mp stills, that can give you a number of useful features. Your FZ2500 has similar capabilities, but no Sony cameras do.
• The RX100M7 lens is sharper and brighter. It is likely to collect more detail at 200mm equiv than the TZ200 does at 360mm equiv. In other words, if you crop your RX100M7 images to the same field of view as the TZ200's 360mm images, the Sony images will probably contain more detail.
• The RX100M7 is noticeably smaller and lighter than the TZ200 (or even the less capable TZ100). That's a benefit to me, and probably to you, but it can make it harder to grip. So you absolutely need the optional stick-on grip or third-party alternative. It's probably also why the battery life is shorter.
• As you're used to Panasonic menus, you'll certainly encounter a much steeper learning curve with the RX100M7. The RX100 is more configurable, and once you've customised it to your taste, you may actually find it easier to use than the TZ200, but definitely not when you first pick it up.
• The TZ200 is much cheaper than the RX100M7, but you might also consider the RX100M6, which is halfway between. For a stills shooter, the M7 has few advantage over the M6, but if you will be shooter a lot of 4K videos, then you might feel the extra cost of the M7 is worth it.
• I'm amazed that the TZ200 still only has a fixed rear screen. The RX100 has a double-hinged screen with 270º of movement. I find that very useful.
• I really like the RX100's larger, pop-up EVF, but I know some people don't. I use it as a chunky on-off switch, so I can actually turn the little RX100 on and off quicker.
• The Sony documentation is very poor, much worse than Panasonic's. You really need to buy either the Alexander White or Gary Friedman manuals (the former is cheaper, but I prefer Gary's style).
• The RX100M7's touch screen is hardly used. That's true of all but the very latest Sony cameras. But Sony now has a new 'XR' CPU, software platform and UI, that does support full touchscreen usage. That won't come to the RX100M7, but will almost certainly be included in a potential M8. No, we don't know when that might arrive, but I suspect it'll be next Spring.

 

[HRPuffnstuff]

If you do get the Sony, if possible do what I do and use an external battery with the dummy battery. I love my Sony but it loves batteries even more. You could rig up a wired remote to control the camera from the handlebar / take pics

 

[Inge1]

To add to Maxmolly7's excellent advice:

• The TZ200 has a very old Sony sensor, dating from 2013. The RX100M2 used that old sensor. The RX100M7 has a state-of-the-art modern version, dating from 2019. That newer sensor has a much, much faster data read-out and the latest PDAF focusing. Those features enable many advantages, including full sensor usage in 4K video (which gets you a wider angle, as well as almost eliminating rolling shutter effects), and the fastest focusing and tracking available, that can match most professional sports DSLRs. The TZ200 has Panasonic's DFD, which is a slightly faster version of old-fashioned CDAF. The
• RX100M7 can shoot at 20 fps, with continuous focusing, tracking and exposure metering. That's way ahead of any Panasonic, even the expensive S1 and S1R.
• The TZ200 has the clever 4K photo modes. Providing that you don't mind 8mp stills, that can give you a number of useful features. Your FZ2500 has similar capabilities, but no Sony cameras do.
• The RX100M7 lens is sharper and brighter. It is likely to collect more detail at 200mm equiv than the TZ200 does at 360mm equiv. In other words, if you crop your RX100M7 images to the same field of view as the TZ200's 360mm images, the Sony images will probably contain more detail.
• The RX100M7 is noticeably smaller and lighter than the TZ200 (or even the less capable TZ100). That's a benefit to me, and probably to you, but it can make it harder to grip. So you absolutely need the optional stick-on grip or third-party alternative. It's probably also why the battery life is shorter.
• As you're used to Panasonic menus, you'll certainly encounter a much steeper learning curve with the RX100M7. The RX100 is more configurable, and once you've customised it to your taste, you may actually find it easier to use than the TZ200, but definitely not when you first pick it up.
• The TZ200 is much cheaper than the RX100M7, but you might also consider the RX100M6, which is halfway between. For a stills shooter, the M7 has few advantage over the M6, but if you will be shooter a lot of 4K videos, then you might feel the extra cost of the M7 is worth it.
• I'm amazed that the TZ200 still only has a fixed rear screen. The RX100 has a double-hinged screen with 270º of movement. I find that very useful.
• I really like the RX100's larger, pop-up EVF, but I know some people don't. I use it as a chunky on-off switch, so I can actually turn the little RX100 on and off quicker.
• The Sony documentation is very poor, much worse than Panasonic's. You really need to buy either the Alexander White or Gary Friedman manuals (the former is cheaper, but I prefer Gary's style).
• The RX100M7's touch screen is hardly used. That's true of all but the very latest Sony cameras. But Sony now has a new 'XR' CPU, software platform and UI, that does support full touchscreen usage. That won't come to the RX100M7, but will almost certainly be included in a potential M8. No, we don't know when that might arrive, but I suspect it'll be next Spring.

Nigel - thanks for the added info of the Sony.

So Sony wise I would be updated on the sensor part - I like that for then it has the latest technology. Like this a lot "hat newer sensor has a much, much faster data read-out and the latest PDAF focusing. Those features enable many advantages, including full sensor usage in 4K video (which gets you a wider angle, as well as almost eliminating rolling shutter effects), and the fastest focusing and tracking available, that can match most professional sports DSLRs"

Good to know that the contiuous focus + tracking is way ahead of the Panny - like that for I use the tracking possibility on the fz2000 quite a lot. And if Sony is way better at it - nice .

The 4K photo modes on the panny I have not really used so would not miss that - it not being on the Sony.

"The RX100M7 is noticeably smaller and lighter than the TZ200 (or even the less capable TZ100). That's a benefit to me, and probably to you, but it can make it harder to grip. So you absolutely need the optional stick-on grip or third-party alternative. It's probably also why the battery life is shorter." - you guesed correctly - every ounce I can save on a camera is beneficial to me. When going for the Sony I will definitely follow your & Maxmolly''s advice and get the stick on grip or an extra battery holder in order to prolong battery life.

"The RX100 is more configurable, and once you've customised it to your taste, you may actually find it easier to use than the TZ200, but definitely not when you first pick it up." Good to know that it has more possibilities to configure than the Panny - I guess I will have to spend some time at first setting it up right to my wishes so that it is easy to use. Also good to know that after it is set up it is easier to use than the Panny.

"The RX100M7 lens is sharper and brighter. It is likely to collect more detail at 200mm equiv than the TZ200 does at 360mm equiv." If this indeed is the case and I trust your word on it then I no longer need the longer zoom lens that the Panny has. And brings the decision again one step closer to the Sony.

Just like you I am also very much in favour of a hinged screen - use that a lot on the fz2000 - so a new camera having one would really be welcomed. I also always (pretty much always) use the evf on the Panny so I would think that I would also favour it on the Sony over the use of the screen.

thanks for adding the additional title to the books to use to set the camera up - that is always very helpful. Especially since , according to you, their manual is even poorer than the panny'''s.

I have been searching the net also for rumours on a mk8 and if one will be released in the near future I will go for the mk8 since just like you the rumours indicate the use a new 'XR' CPU, software platform and UI, that does support full touchscreen usage. I like to hope that Sony will implement full touch screen usage, also the rumours state that it will have a usb-C connection. Which if so is important to me since nearly all my devices use usb-C . Apparently it also gets more buttons to use for changing of settings. If these things would be put in amk8 that definetely would be huge selling points for me.

Anyone know if there is going to be a big camera show this year - to find out what new camera's will be introduced?

HRPuffnstuff - "If you do get the Sony, if possible do what I do and use an external battery with the dummy battery. I love my Sony but it loves batteries even more. You could rig up a wired remote to control the camera from the handlebar / take pics". This is good advice and yes I very well might go for an external battery holder - if though it does not add a tonne of weight to the weight of the camera. Do not know if I would like to rig something up to be able to take shots form the handlebar for fear of it falling of but definitely is an option. What external battery do you use?

 

[Smallpox]

I hope I can help, as gone through the same dilemma! ;-)

After a positive 2 years spent with the Lumix TZ 202 as main holiday camera, I bought recently a used RX 100 VII which came with the optional Sony grip.
Without grip is impossible to hold it securely, but although this grip helps for sure, my hand feels sometimes cramped.
I did some intense but subjective testing side by side for my usage as a travel and go-everywhere camera.

• The RX customization is not easy to understand and the RX menu is (for me coming from Lumix & Canon) strangely organized with several levels into the depth. A full pdf-manual for the RX 100 VII is difficult to find on the internet and after finally finding a link, the next best language for me is in English. Via the Sony standard site you find:
  https://helpguide.sony.net/dsc/1920/v1/en/index.html
  In addition, I can recommend "The White Book" to set up the camera step by step.
  Once it is configured to individual taste, the Sony works very well.
• The AF system of the TZ is very good, the one found on the Sony is outstanding! Especially the various AF auto-modes work very well and subject tracking is lightning fast!
• The Lumix and my Canon cameras seem easier to change settings without having to use a manual.
  The touch screen in the Sony is only used to set AF point.
  The rear screen of the TZ is fixed but it can be used to modify settings like a smartphone touch. It is bright enough in daylight and even over head shots are possible.
  The flip screen of the Sony add more significantly more flexibility to the overall usage of the camera.
• The TZ handles slightly better than the Sony.
• Battery life is noticeably shorter on the Sony than on TZ 202.
• What I like is that the viewfinder of the Sony works a lot better for me when wearing glasses. It has a slightly larger view, too.
• The IQ of both cameras is already on a high level, but the RX is overall better, especially towards the corners.
  However, the Sony is not as good as the TZ when shooting macro like close-ups. The TZ can magnify several times more (3-4?) due to nearer minimum focus; this may be important e.g. for flower and insect shots.
• The Sony can be used with optional filter holder the TZ not. I installed one to use a polarizer and ND filter.
• I could not detect any significant difference in noise or dynamic range between the 2 cameras yet, but the Sony seems to have a slight edge due to wider base aperture and new (stacked) sensor.
• The first looks at the images from left me uncertain, but after a few more rounds to me the the Sony seems to be the clear winner if IQ is more important than focal length (200 vs. 360mm)!
  The stats of my TZ images of approx. 3000+ shots are
  - 820 at 24mm
  - 100 at 200mm
  - 350 at 360mm (many close-ups and detail shots)
  - other focal lengths in between, single to double digit counts but <50 at maximum.

Resume: I like the handling and the focal length of the TZ better, but the Sony is the better photographic tool (for me).

Excellent conclusion which concurs with mine!

 

[Inge1]

HRPuffnstuff - "If you do get the Sony, if possible do what I do and use an external battery with the dummy battery. I love my Sony but it loves batteries even more. You could rig up a wired remote to control the camera from the handlebar / take pics". This is good advice and yes I very well might go for an external battery holder - if though it does not add a tonne of weight to the weight of the camera. Do not know if I would like to rig something up to be able to take shots form the handlebar for fear of it falling of but definitely is an option. What external battery do you use?

 

[Maxmolly7]

Mmmh, probably better/easier to go for an extra USB Dual charger, they come with 2 batteries which you can recharge at night.

--
May THE LIGHT be with you!

 

[Digital Nigel]

Mmmh, probably better/easier to go for an extra USB Dual charger, they come with 2 batteries which you can recharge at night.

Yes, that's what I do.

 

[Inge1]

Mmmh, probably better/easier to go for an extra USB Dual charger, they come with 2 batteries which you can recharge at night.

Yes, that's what I do

Good thinking - have a chilipower one for the fz2000 - guess they have them as well for the Sony. Likely will save on weight and have more flexitbility.

 

[Digital Nigel]

Mmmh, probably better/easier to go for an extra USB Dual charger, they come with 2 batteries which you can recharge at night.

Yes, that's what I do

Good thinking - have a chilipower one for the fz2000 - guess they have them as well for the Sony. Likely will save on weight and have more flexitbility.

Yes, and some are quite small and light, as the RX100 batteries are so small. Here's an example:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ENEGON-Compatible-Cyber-Shot-DSC-RX100-DSC-RX100M/dp/B08F1SZLHX/ref=sr_1_9

The batteries also charge quickly.

 

[Inge1]

Mmmh, probably better/easier to go for an extra USB Dual charger, they come with 2 batteries which you can recharge at night.

Yes, that's what I do

Good thinking - have a chilipower one for the fz2000 - guess they have them as well for the Sony. Likely will save on weight and have more flexitbility.

Yes, and some are quite small and light, as the RX100 batteries are so small. Here's an example:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ENEGON-Compatible-Cyber-Shot-DSC-RX100-DSC-RX100M/dp/B08F1SZLHX/ref=sr_1_9

The batteries also charge quickly.

The Enegon looks similiar to the Chilipower one - though misses from what I can tell a usb-C connection. Batteries have roughly the same mah. So for me it will be the Chilipower over Enegon for lack of usb-C. For most people maybe not an issue but it would save me having to bring a separate usb-mini cable (hence saving weight by not needing it).

Good to know that the batteries do charge quickly. How quickly is quickly? Ans what advice would you give on the amount of spare batteries? I was thinking of 2, maybe 3.

 

[Maxmolly7]

The Enegon looks similiar to the Chilipower one - though misses from what I can tell a usb-C connection. Batteries have roughly the same mah. So for me it will be the Chilipower over Enegon for lack of usb-C. For most people maybe not an issue but it would save me having to bring a separate usb-mini cable (hence saving weight by not needing it).

Good to know that the batteries do charge quickly. How quickly is quickly? Ans what advice would you give on the amount of spare batteries? I was thinking of 2, maybe 3.

Inge,

since you are in the Netherlands, you may want to check the German site of Amazon with 3 units and USB C & mini:

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07CVJ2VW5/?coliid=I2XLLWMYAGXVB0&colid=1YKTJLBXUVOWB&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

I haven't checked the recharge time, but it seems to me it is less than 1 hour.

 

[Digital Nigel]

Mmmh, probably better/easier to go for an extra USB Dual charger, they come with 2 batteries which you can recharge at night.

Yes, that's what I do

Good thinking - have a chilipower one for the fz2000 - guess they have them as well for the Sony. Likely will save on weight and have more flexitbility.

Yes, and some are quite small and light, as the RX100 batteries are so small. Here's an example:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ENEGON-Compatible-Cyber-Shot-DSC-RX100-DSC-RX100M/dp/B08F1SZLHX/ref=sr_1_9

The batteries also charge quickly.

The Enegon looks similiar to the Chilipower one - though misses from what I can tell a usb-C connection. Batteries have roughly the same mah. So for me it will be the Chilipower over Enegon for lack of usb-C. For most people maybe not an issue but it would save me having to bring a separate usb-mini cable (hence saving weight by not needing it).

Good to know that the batteries do charge quickly. How quickly is quickly? Ans what advice would you give on the amount of spare batteries? I was thinking of 2, maybe 3.

Yes, at least two spare batteries. In most cases, I think one battery will last for several days unless you're taking hundreds of pictures a day. The two slot chargers come with two spare batteries, and that's probably enough, but you can buy more generic batteries very cheaply.

 

[Inge1]

The Enegon looks similiar to the Chilipower one - though misses from what I can tell a usb-C connection. Batteries have roughly the same mah. So for me it will be the Chilipower over Enegon for lack of usb-C. For most people maybe not an issue but it would save me having to bring a separate usb-mini cable (hence saving weight by not needing it).

Good to know that the batteries do charge quickly. How quickly is quickly? Ans what advice would you give on the amount of spare batteries? I was thinking of 2, maybe 3.

Inge,

since you are in the Netherlands, you may want to check the German site of Amazon with 3 units and USB C & mini:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07CVJ2VW5...olid=1YKTJLBXUVOWB&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

I haven't checked the recharge time, but it seems to me it is less than 1 hour.

Thanks, will definitely do that. If it is less than 1 hour that is pretty darn good. just checked out the link but unfortunately it charges by using a mini usb cable and my prefernce is usb-C since that is now available. have not checked if Chilipower also has a charger for 3 batteries.

Which batteries do you use - original or 3rd party? And what amount of mah?

--
Happy owner of Panasonic FZ2500/FZ2000

 

[Digital Nigel]

I thought you might be interested in a comparison of the sizes of your current chunky battery and the tiny RX100 battery:

 

[Digital Nigel]

The Enegon looks similiar to the Chilipower one - though misses from what I can tell a usb-C connection. Batteries have roughly the same mah. So for me it will be the Chilipower over Enegon for lack of usb-C. For most people maybe not an issue but it would save me having to bring a separate usb-mini cable (hence saving weight by not needing it).

Good to know that the batteries do charge quickly. How quickly is quickly? Ans what advice would you give on the amount of spare batteries? I was thinking of 2, maybe 3.

Inge,

since you are in the Netherlands, you may want to check the German site of Amazon with 3 units and USB C & mini:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07CVJ2VW5...olid=1YKTJLBXUVOWB&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

I haven't checked the recharge time, but it seems to me it is less than 1 hour.

Thanks, will definitely do that. If it is less than 1 hour that is pretty darn good. just checked out the link but unfortunately it charges by using a mini usb cable and my prefernce is usb-C since that is now available.

I think it also has a USB-C socket, but only comes with a mini-USB cable.

have not checked if Chilipower also has a charger for 3 batteries.

Which batteries do you use - original or 3rd party? And what amount of mah?

The third party batteries usually claim a higher power rating than the originals, but it's also usually not true. It's safer to assume that, despite anything it says on the label, a third party battery will probably have a shorter life than a Sony original. But they're so much cheaper that they're still a bargain. So I only buy generic spare batteries for all my cameras.

 

[Inge1]

The Enegon looks similiar to the Chilipower one - though misses from what I can tell a usb-C connection. Batteries have roughly the same mah. So for me it will be the Chilipower over Enegon for lack of usb-C. For most people maybe not an issue but it would save me having to bring a separate usb-mini cable (hence saving weight by not needing it).

Good to know that the batteries do charge quickly. How quickly is quickly? Ans what advice would you give on the amount of spare batteries? I was thinking of 2, maybe 3.

Inge,

since you are in the Netherlands, you may want to check the German site of Amazon with 3 units and USB C & mini:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07CVJ2VW5...olid=1YKTJLBXUVOWB&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

I haven't checked the recharge time, but it seems to me it is less than 1 hour.

Thanks, will definitely do that. If it is less than 1 hour that is pretty darn good. just checked out the link but unfortunately it charges by using a mini usb cable and my prefernce is usb-C since that is now available.

I think it also has a USB-C socket, but only comes with a mini-USB cable.

have not checked if Chilipower also has a charger for 3 batteries.

Which batteries do you use - original or 3rd party? And what amount of mah?

Looks like I have to double check that. looks like indeed, you can use an usb-C cable tough the descrition mentions nothing of the sort.

 

[Panone]

I own the RX100 Vll. Bought it a couple of weeks back and here are my takes on it:

Pros:

1) Outstanding auto-focus!
2) Good for video (except one thing which I’ll mention in cons)

3) Good image quality.



Cons:

1) Battery is crap! More so when you shoot 4K

2) Zoom motor makes noise when zooming in and out when shooting videos and it gets picked up by the internal microphone. This is annoying!

3) Sony’s menu system can be a bit overwhelming especially if you are new to Sony cameras.