Nikon Z 5 Sensor Measurements at PhotonsToPhotos.net

[bclaff]

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The hope is that as times goes Nikon gets better and better at correcting these artifacts just like they did in the transition from the D7100 to the D7200 version of the same sensor, but the case of the phase detect rows in the Z bodies seems more complicated and improvements much slower.

The D7100 was a failed experiment for Nikon, non-Sony sensor, Toshiba I think.

The D7200 never had any issues; so there were none to be solved.

 

[atigun]

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The hope is that as times goes Nikon gets better and better at correcting these artifacts just like they did in the transition from the D7100 to the D7200 version of the same sensor, but the case of the phase detect rows in the Z bodies seems more complicated and improvements much slower.

The D7100 was a failed experiment for Nikon, non-Sony sensor, Toshiba I think.

The D7200 never had any issues; so there were none to be solved.

My understanding is that the D7200 sensor was an evolution of the D7100 sensor, i.e. it solved the problem of the D7100 sensor. So yes, D7200 was the corrected sensor without those problems from the start, but still the same line of Toshiba sensors.

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[bclaff]

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The hope is that as times goes Nikon gets better and better at correcting these artifacts just like they did in the transition from the D7100 to the D7200 version of the same sensor, but the case of the phase detect rows in the Z bodies seems more complicated and improvements much slower.

The D7100 was a failed experiment for Nikon, non-Sony sensor, Toshiba I think.

The D7200 never had any issues; so there were none to be solved.

My understanding is that the D7200 sensor was an evolution of the D7100 sensor, i.e. it solved the problem of the D7100 sensor. So yes, D7200 was the corrected sensor without those problems from the start, but still the same line of Toshiba sensors.

And I think your understanding may not be not correct.
There has been a lot of debate on this subject in the past.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/55561414

 

[atigun]

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The hope is that as times goes Nikon gets better and better at correcting these artifacts just like they did in the transition from the D7100 to the D7200 version of the same sensor, but the case of the phase detect rows in the Z bodies seems more complicated and improvements much slower.

The D7100 was a failed experiment for Nikon, non-Sony sensor, Toshiba I think.

The D7200 never had any issues; so there were none to be solved.

My understanding is that the D7200 sensor was an evolution of the D7100 sensor, i.e. it solved the problem of the D7100 sensor. So yes, D7200 was the corrected sensor without those problems from the start, but still the same line of Toshiba sensors.

And I think your understanding may not be not correct.
There has been a lot of debate on this subject in the past.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/55561414

I think I missed that thread as I had other concerns at the time. There are however some later references that, referring to Chipworks, confirms that the D7200 has a Toshiba sensor,

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63016842

On NikonRumors the D5200 and D7100 was listed as Toshiba HEZ1 TOS-5105,

https://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/16/...s-and-their-sensor-manufacturerdesigner.aspx/

Down in the comments on the same page Bob Newman states very specifically: "...Your second table (radojuve.com.ua) lists the D7200 has having the Sony IMX193 sensor. This is wrong, it is the Toshiba 5101 as confirmed by chipworks".

So not the same (I should have watched my wording here :-D ), but apparently close developments. (The chipworks site is down at the time of writing, but it should be easy to confirm later).

Regardless it has only historical interest, the point is of course that the D7200 sensor performs much better.

 

[kenw]

(The chipworks site is down at the time of writing, but it should be easy to confirm later).

I think it is a stale/broken link actually. Here is a current one:

Nikon D7200 Camera with Toshiba DKAO Image Sensor Device Essentials Image Set and Summary | TechInsights

Nikon D7200 Camera with Toshiba DKAO Image Sensor Device Essentials Image Set and Summary

www.techinsights.com

I'm not paying to read the full report but just the report title itself makes it clear that it is a Toshiba sensor.

 

[bclaff]

(The chipworks site is down at the time of writing, but it should be easy to confirm later).

I think it is a stale/broken link actually. Here is a current one:

https://www.techinsights.com/products/def-1506-801

I'm not paying to read the full report but just the report title itself makes it clear that it is a Toshiba sensor.

FWIW (very little at this point) the D5200 title is

"Toshiba 5105 APS-C from Nikon D5200 "

and the D7200 title is

"Nikon D7200 Camera with Toshiba DKAO Image Sensor "

So, although the same brand, I still contend they are different sensors not just different firmware etc.

 

[kenw]

(The chipworks site is down at the time of writing, but it should be easy to confirm later).

I think it is a stale/broken link actually. Here is a current one:

https://www.techinsights.com/products/def-1506-801

I'm not paying to read the full report but just the report title itself makes it clear that it is a Toshiba sensor.

FWIW (very little at this point) the D5200 title is

"Toshiba 5105 APS-C from Nikon D5200 "

and the D7200 title is

"Nikon D7200 Camera with Toshiba DKAO Image Sensor "

So, although the same brand, I still contend they are different sensors not just different firmware etc.

Yes, I thought your data showed pretty clearly they were likely different sensors. The Chipworks title shows the new sensor was still made by Toshiba rather than being a Sony sensor as some early speculation guessed.

 

[atigun]

(The chipworks site is down at the time of writing, but it should be easy to confirm later).

I think it is a stale/broken link actually. Here is a current one:

https://www.techinsights.com/products/def-1506-801

I'm not paying to read the full report but just the report title itself makes it clear that it is a Toshiba sensor.

FWIW (very little at this point) the D5200 title is

"Toshiba 5105 APS-C from Nikon D5200 "

and the D7200 title is

"Nikon D7200 Camera with Toshiba DKAO Image Sensor "

So, although the same brand, I still contend they are different sensors not just different firmware etc.

Yes, I thought your data showed pretty clearly they were likely different sensors. The Chipworks title shows the new sensor was still made by Toshiba rather than being a Sony sensor as some early speculation guessed.

Thanks for the link above, Ken. Yes, I think we all agree it is not the same Toshiba sensor with just a firmware fix in the transition to D7200. (I can see how my sloppy wording could be interpreted that way in this context of firmware fixes for the Z bodies.)