Would you buy an A7R*** in view of Lensrentals' findings?

[DenImage]

Thanks Guys,

Some interesting, worthwhile answers there and although it's amusing, reading the almost aggressive, poorly executed sarcasm from some, presumably Sony owners, your combined responses have helped me to make up my mind which was why I opened the thread in the first place.

I've concluded that much as, prior to Roger's findings, I'd most definitely decided that an A7RIII was the one for me, I've decided to go for a Nikon Z7 instead.

Thanks again.

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

Good luck with your Nikon Z7.

Personally, I would have waited for the Canon R5 and R6 to be released, then to see what Sony release in response in the next month.

Nikon have their issues too (shutter oil anyone?), and out of all the top tier manufacturers, Nikon are the most likely to fall into bankruptcy

Den

 

[Jestertheclown]

Thanks Guys,

Some interesting, worthwhile answers there and although it's amusing, reading the almost aggressive, poorly executed sarcasm from some, presumably Sony owners, your combined responses have helped me to make up my mind which was why I opened the thread in the first place.

I've concluded that much as, prior to Roger's findings, I'd most definitely decided that an A7RIII was the one for me, I've decided to go for a Nikon Z7 instead.

Thanks again.

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

You never intended to buy one in the first place.

And you'd know that, of course . . .


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[101Colors]

You never intended to buy one in the first place. Otherwise you would not have posted this question in the Sony-subforum after reading the full article.

We all want confirmation that our possible actions are 'correct' and validated by others.

Hopefully the OP frequents the Nikon Z forums and has based their decision based on ALL nuances of both cameras and not just the sensor issue here.

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[Nokiron]

Obviously, since you are going the untested route with the Z7 instead. Who knows if that has the same issue, or worse? Maybe, maybe not. But you do not know.

 

[Jestertheclown]

Good luck with your Nikon Z7.

Thanks.

Hopefully, I'll have it sometime this week.

Personally, I would have waited for the Canon R5 and R6 to be released,

I've never owned a Canon. Not because I've got anything against them, I've just always used Nikon.

then to see what Sony release in response in the next month.

I thought of that but the seeds of doubt are sewn now.

Nikon have their issues too (shutter oil anyone?), and out of all the top tier manufacturers, Nikon are the most likely to fall into bankruptcy

All of which is quite true!

Den

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

 

[Jestertheclown]

Obviously, since you are going the untested route with the Z7 instead. Who knows if that has the same issue, or worse? Maybe, maybe not. But you do not know.

True, I don't know.

Buy I do know that there's an issue with some Sonys.


"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

 

[Nokiron]

Obviously, since you are going the untested route with the Z7 instead. Who knows if that has the same issue, or worse? Maybe, maybe not. But you do not know.

True, I don't know.

Buy I do know that there's an issue with some Sonys.

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

Was there an issue before? Did you read about people having issues with these symptoms?

Do I feel worried about my gear? Not in the slightest, it's 2% of heavily used rentals. This thread is extremely typical of confirmation bias.

But good luck with your Z7.

 

[Jestertheclown]

You never intended to buy one in the first place. Otherwise you would not have posted this question in the Sony-subforum after reading the full article.

Glad someone said this as that was my thought as well.

We all want confirmation that our possible actions are 'correct' and validated by others.

Hopefully the OP frequents the Nikon Z forums and has based his purchasing decision based on ALL nuances of both cameras and not just the sensor issue here.

I frequent lots of forums, that one included and have been planning this purchase for many, many months.

I've read seemingly countless reviews and comparisons of both cameras and the Sony had become my first choice, albeit by a pretty small margin.

This sensor issue, while some people, Sony owners/fans, I guess, seem able to disregard it, I see it as a potential problem that I'd rather not have to deal with.


"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

 

[Nokiron]

You never intended to buy one in the first place. Otherwise you would not have posted this question in the Sony-subforum after reading the full article.

Glad someone said this as that was my thought as well.

We all want confirmation that our possible actions are 'correct' and validated by others.

Hopefully the OP frequents the Nikon Z forums and has based his purchasing decision based on ALL nuances of both cameras and not just the sensor issue here.

I frequent lots of forums, that one included and have been planning this purchase for many, many months.

I've read seemingly countless reviews and comparisons of both cameras and the Sony had become my first choice, albeit by a pretty small margin.

This sensor issue, while some people, Sony owners/fans, I guess, seem able to disregard it, I see it as a potential problem that I'd rather not have to deal with.

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

I mean, the thing here is that you posted this thread while you already had made up your mind. You are typing it out very clearly here, it's confirmation bias.

You are sideswiping peoples opinion, while telling yourself and others it's an issue and trying to push yours as the correct one.

Nothing wrong with your decision to buy a Z7. But the decision to post here kinda is.

 

[101Colors]

Good to hear. I am truly interested in how the Z system pans out for you...

Seems to be a nice system. My issue with them is with the company in general,, being able to stay afloat in this competitive market. Yes, company solvency is something I've read about several times - which , true or not - for me at least - is a major concern.

That said, any manufacturer could eventually decide to leave the market at any time for whatever reason - Sony included.

Best..

You never intended to buy one in the first place. Otherwise you would not have posted this question in the Sony-subforum after reading the full article.

Glad someone said this as that was my thought as well.

We all want confirmation that our possible actions are 'correct' and validated by others.

Hopefully the OP frequents the Nikon Z forums and has based his purchasing decision based on ALL nuances of both cameras and not just the sensor issue here.

I frequent lots of forums, that one included and have been planning this purchase for many, many months.

I've read seemingly countless reviews and comparisons of both cameras and the Sony had become my first choice, albeit by a pretty small margin.

This sensor issue, while some people, Sony owners/fans, I guess, seem able to disregard it, I see it as a potential problem that I'd rather not have to deal with.

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

 

[DenImage]

Good luck with your Nikon Z7.

Thanks.

Hopefully, I'll have it sometime this week.

Personally, I would have waited for the Canon R5 and R6 to be released,

I've never owned a Canon. Not because I've got anything against them, I've just always used Nikon.

then to see what Sony release in response in the next month.

I thought of that but the seeds of doubt are sewn now.

Nikon have their issues too (shutter oil anyone?), and out of all the top tier manufacturers, Nikon are the most likely to fall into bankruptcy

All of which is quite true!

Den

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

Can I suggest you send Roger a private message, tell him your concerns, then ask him if he believes it's a serious enough issue to avoid purchase:

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www.dpreview.com

Also ask him what issues the Nikon Z7 he's aware of as well, then you can make an unbiased informed decision.

Den

 

[Jestertheclown]

I mean, the thing here is that you posted this thread while you already had made up your mind.

You know absolutely nothing about me or whether or not I'd made up my mind.

In fact, you're completely wrong but I'm certainly not going to justify myself to you.

You are typing it out very clearly here, it's confirmation bias.

You are sideswiping peoples opinion, while telling yourself and others it's an issue and trying to push yours as the correct one.

Rubbish.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, yourself included.

Thing is though, that they're only that; opinions, also yours included and as such are only of use as a source of advice upon which I, or anyone else reading them, might , or might not, choose to act.

Nothing wrong with your decision to buy a Z7. But the decision to post here kinda is.

Really?

Where do you suggest I might better seek advice/opinion about Sony cameras?


"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

 

[Jestertheclown]

Can I suggest you send Roger a private message, tell him your concerns, then ask him if he believes it's a serious enough issue to avoid purchase:

https://www.dpreview.com/members/messages/1329131098

Also ask him what issues the Nikon Z7 he's aware of as well, then you can make an unbiased informed decision.

Den

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

Roger did respond to me in another thread that I opened on this subject in which he says "yes" to my buying a Sony, although we didn't go farther.

The trouble is, as I said above, the seeds of doubt are sewn now. Even if I was to buy the Sony, I'd forever be wondering if its "bits" were still in one piece.

Chances are, my concerns are groundless but the damage is done.


"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

 

[DenImage]

Can I suggest you send Roger a private message, tell him your concerns, then ask him if he believes it's a serious enough issue to avoid purchase:

https://www.dpreview.com/members/messages/1329131098

Also ask him what issues the Nikon Z7 he's aware of as well, then you can make an unbiased informed decision.

Den

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

Roger did respond to me in another thread that I opened on this subject in which he says "yes" to my buying a Sony, although we didn't go farther.

The trouble is, as I said above, the seeds of doubt are sewn now. Even if I was to buy the Sony, I'd forever be wondering if its "bits" were still in one piece.

Chances are, my concerns are groundless but the damage is done.

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

Fair enough, that's up to you.

Personally, I would never ever go back to Nikon. I was one of their countless D600 shutter oil splatter victims, and was treated very shabbily by Nikon, never again.

Good luck with your Nikon Z7

Den

 

[lft]

If the internet has taught me anything, it’s that you would have to be insane to buy electronics from any brand.

 

[Tristimulus]

If the internet has taught me anything, it’s that you would have to be insane to buy electronics from any brand.

But that apply only to whimps!

 

[MILC man]

To me the bigger issue is that reading through prior posts in these forums and some articles / blog posts on Lens Rentals, getting a Sony camera or lens fixed is a little more of a challenge than some of its competitor brands.

since you brought up competitors, good luck with trying to get warranty repair from canon on this:

@Roger Cicala: "According to Canon fluorine coating makes it much easier to clean the front and rear elements, so dirt and oil can be easily wiped away. With at least some of the lenses Canon has released with this coating, our opinion is the coating is very fragile. We started putting filters on all of our lenses a year after Canon started putting fluorine coating on their front elements; the incidence of lenses needing front element replacements for coating scratches and peeling skyrocketed. Canon says it's not so, so perhaps it's just us." https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/20...ons-of-the-canon-70-200mm-f2-8-is-ii-and-iii/

Any way you slice it, there should not be this kind of damage on a camera if it has not been dropped, or slammed against something solid. The argument that the rentals are shipped frequently is basically like saying, never let your camera leave home and you will be fine. Most photographers travel with their cameras either for recreation or work. So there is a lot of handling and vibration and sudden shifts in position.

do most photographers toss their camera gear around like fedex did with this $1500 canon lens? i know that i certainly don't... ditto with the rest of this box tossing:

 

[Nokiron]

I mean, the thing here is that you posted this thread while you already had made up your mind.

You know absolutely nothing about me or whether or not I'd made up my mind.

In fact, you're completely wrong but I'm certainly not going to justify myself to you.

You are typing it out very clearly here, it's confirmation bias.

You are sideswiping peoples opinion, while telling yourself and others it's an issue and trying to push yours as the correct one.

Rubbish.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, yourself included.

Thing is though, that they're only that; opinions, also yours included and as such are only of use as a source of advice upon which I, or anyone else reading them, might , or might not, choose to act.

Nothing wrong with your decision to buy a Z7. But the decision to post here kinda is.

Really?

Where do you suggest I might better seek advice/opinion about Sony cameras?

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. But your other post is clear answer to this.

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

Roger did respond to me in another thread that I opened on this subject in which he says "yes" to my buying a Sony, although we didn't go farther.

The trouble is, as I said above, the seeds of doubt are sewn now. Even if I was to buy the Sony, I'd forever be wondering if its "bits" were still in one piece.

Chances are, my concerns are groundless but the damage is done.

As soon as that "seed of doubt" was sown when you read the article, all you were looking for was affirmation that you made the right choice. That seed certainly did not come from this thread.

What even could have changed your mind? Almost every post in this thread either don't mind it or find it an issue.

 

[SQLGuy]

I mean, the thing here is that you posted this thread while you already had made up your mind.

You know absolutely nothing about me or whether or not I'd made up my mind.

In fact, you're completely wrong but I'm certainly not going to justify myself to you.

You are typing it out very clearly here, it's confirmation bias.

You are sideswiping peoples opinion, while telling yourself and others it's an issue and trying to push yours as the correct one.

Rubbish.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, yourself included.

Thing is though, that they're only that; opinions, also yours included and as such are only of use as a source of advice upon which I, or anyone else reading them, might , or might not, choose to act.

Nothing wrong with your decision to buy a Z7. But the decision to post here kinda is.

Really?

Where do you suggest I might better seek advice/opinion about Sony cameras?

"It's good to be . . . . . . . . . Me!"

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. But your other post is clear answer to this.

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

Roger did respond to me in another thread that I opened on this subject in which he says "yes" to my buying a Sony, although we didn't go farther.

The trouble is, as I said above, the seeds of doubt are sewn now. Even if I was to buy the Sony, I'd forever be wondering if its "bits" were still in one piece.

Chances are, my concerns are groundless but the damage is done.

As soon as that "seed of doubt" was sown when you read the article, all you were looking for was affirmation that you made the right choice. That seed certainly did not come from this thread.

What even could have changed your mind? Almost every post in this thread either don't mind it or find it an issue.

My guess is, that would be if LR or somebody finds a similar issue with the Nikon IBIS system.

 

[Jestertheclown]

As soon as that "seed of doubt" was sown when you read the article, all you were looking for was affirmation that you made the right choice.

You don't know what you're talking about.

That seed certainly did not come from this thread.

No. I didn't say that it had.

Those seeds were sewn when I read about the article about the faults. You've just said so in your opening line.

What even could have changed your mind?

You'd know that if you were to read my posts properly.

Almost every post in this thread either don't mind it or find it an issue.

That's entirely up to them.

Personally, I do mind.


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