These are the 3 cameras that will move me away from my GX8. And if you have any experience with any combination of these 3 cameras, please share what you liked or disliked about these cameras. At this stage, the main reason I am staying with m43 is because of the lenses, but no USB-C and 20MP and unreliable auto focus have me looking for something else. I am also interested in comparison of the video capabilities.
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Compare IQ of Fuji xPro3, x100v and M6 mk2
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Realistically, all 3 have great IQ and I think you should focus on other aspects. IQ wize they are not a league apart, but in the same class. Personally, I would never go for the fixed lens option. What would the x100v give you above the M6 ii with the 22mm f2? With the latter, you can also mount the 32mm 1.4, or the sigma 56mm 1.4....
The X-Pro’s have a population of fans who can better comment on it. I personally think it is a good camera with great IQ, but too expensive for what it offers.
anyway, I think all 3 have great IQ, so you may want fo focus af features and lenses.
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Go for it, be bold! Don't ask other people
Or look at the relevant sites which have the comparisons: heard about Germany?
No what’s up with Germany?
Unreliable auto Focus how btw? Video AF or tracking? Video AF is very good on the Canon, and on the X-Pro3 it is pretty good as well.
The video quality of the X-Pro3 is very good, with very high bitrates. The eterna profile looks good too. The M6 ii will be softer in comparison, but still quite good, and easier to edit. I have seen some comments (Camera conspiracies) on the Fuji's w.r.t exposure changes during video-ing, that aren't smooth, but more sudden. Overall though, I have seen very good output from the X-T30 that the X-Pro3 will certainly equal, and it will be better in DR, sharpness, bitrate/artifacts than the M6ii.
Note that for the price of the X-Pro3, you can add an EF-M 32mm and a Sigma 56mm, where by comparison, the Fuji 50mm allows for less shallow DOF if you are interested in that sort of thing, and the Fuji 56mm 1.2 is quite expensive.
I trust my manual focusing more than auto focus when my m43 lenses are wide open. If I and the subject are still then the focusing is really fast. But I and my subjects are always moving. I also welcome more mega pixels and a usb-c.
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German sites provide side by side real life comparisons... if you care to do your research...
No harm in posting a link or two.
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Danke Schoen.
Here is why this is difficult for me, my priorities are USB-C charging, small fast prime lense, small camera size, evf.
Eos M6 mk2
Pros: Price, size, handling, more mega pixels, small lenses, built in flash, canon colors (yeah, I like them better).
Cons: Add on evf no built in EVF
X100V
Pros: Small, leaf shutter, built in flash, handling, headphone option, ovf/evf
Cons: Can't change lenses, short film time, overheating?
XPro3
Pros: Dual card slots, ovf/evf, decent video, handling
Cons: Weird screen, slightly larger/heavier than I want, Cost.
If the EOS M6/2 had a built in evf, I would get it. But I like the options the Fuji camera's give you over the Canon, and I hear the video is better coming out of the fujis.
Thoughts?
Eos M6 mk2
Pros: Price, size, handling, more mega pixels, small lenses, built in flash, canon colors (yeah, I like them better).
Cons: Add on evf no built in EVF
X100V
Pros: Small, leaf shutter, built in flash, handling, headphone option, ovf/evf
Cons: Can't change lenses, short film time, overheating?
XPro3
Pros: Dual card slots, ovf/evf, decent video, handling
Cons: Weird screen, slightly larger/heavier than I want, Cost.
If the EOS M6/2 had a built in evf, I would get it. But I like the options the Fuji camera's give you over the Canon, and I hear the video is better coming out of the fujis.
Thoughts?
Canon video AF is a bit better. Fuji's video quality is a bit better. If you want to shoot 10 bit log and color grade your videos, then the Fuji is much better.
Have you considered any of the other Fuji models? The X-T30, X-T3, and X-T4 are all using the same image sensor as the X100V and XPro3 and performance would be very similar. While there are some differences, they are basically just different form factors of the same underlying hardware. The X-T30 with a built in EVF is lighter than the M6 II without an EVF.
The X-T30 EVF uses the same base hardware as the EVF in the M50 and EVF-DC2. The X-T3/X-T4 use higher resolution panels and are much higher magnification. If you have ever looked through the optical viewfinder of a full frame camera and compared it to a Rebel, that is the difference between the EVF-DC2 and the X-T3.
R2D2
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I don't mind the M6ii's removable EVF one bit. I actually shoot without one most of the time, so not having one on there is really nice too.
The M6ii's autofocus with primes (wide open) is stupendous. I've been shooting almost exclusively with primes for the past few months. Here's some from a recent bike race...
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4464775
And a basketball game (here's a burst)...
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63709726
R2
Me too, and not to insult anyone, but I think the removable evf is only an issue to those who don't own the camera. ...and I guess that could be a reason they don't own the camera...
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OK, so I've said this often - and that is that I'm a multi-brand camera slut. Thus I shoot with the EOS M, Fuji X, Micro 43, and the defunct (yet still very competent) Samsung NX line of cameras.
Having said all that, cameras from all of those brands are capable of generating superb IQ results and oftentimes it's difficult to choose which one brand to settle on. What then comes into play are differences - some tangible and some intangible (often difficult to put into words). So where to begin?
Alright, these are my opinions and yes, they are subjective because no two folks will use their cameras in the same way. I'm primarily a "stills" shooter and have not gotten my feet wet with video (although I know that sometime in the near future I'll belatedly embrace that process), so my remarks are based on stills shooting only.
1. Micro 4/3 - I've been with the Four Thirds system since its very inception back in 2004 or so with the introduction of the venerable 5 MP Olympus E-1 (which I still occasional use by the way). Then transitioning to M43 became a smooth scenario and I was glad to see that the IQ levels were as good or better than the previous regular Four Thirds system. So I cannot fault M43 cameras in any way. I've owned a bunch of those cameras and right now I'm using the E-M5 (original Mk I), E-M10 Mk II, E-P5 Pen, and the Pen F and I've come to appreciate their ergonomics, and capabilities. I particularly enjoy using the Olympus versions of M43 cameras mainly due to a preferred (warmer) color tonality, and IMO, a bit more DR than what I managed to get with my Panasonic cameras when I used them. In addition, I found that Olympus cameras generate far better skin tones than their Panasonic counterparts, although from what I've heard and read, that is gradually changing in the Panasonic line as newer models are being released. Recommendation - As I always tell folks, "do NOT discard a particular camera (or system) in hopes of jumping to another system. If you can swing it, by all means pick another camera brand, purchase one of their cameras and then do your evaluations (without parting with your previous cameras).
Fuji X system - I took a chance (experimented out of curiosity) and purchased the Fuji X-E1 and kit 18-55 F2.8-4 IS lens 6-7 years ago. At the time of that Fuji purchase, I was shooting Canon, Nikon, and Micro 43 cameras. From the moment the X-E1 arrived, I became hooked on Fuji's way of doing things, camera design, and their generous and loyal "Kaizen" system of FW updates. Currently I'm using the X-T2, X-T20, X-E3, X-E2s, X-H1, X-A5, and X-T100.
What I've come to enjoy with Fuji are:
1. Camera designs (both rangefinder and DSLR models) that sport superb ergonomics (again, subjective I know).
2. Exceptional Dynamic Range capabilities. Among all of the mirrorless brands you are considering (from your OP), you will find that the DR capabilities of the Fuji system far exceed what you may have been exposed to with the M43 line of cameras. In addition, I am able to pull far greater dynamic range (in particular with RAW files) with my Fuji cameras as compared to the other brands..
3. Exceptional high ISO (read "clean" here). Whenever I have to shoot in very low light and need clean high ISO images, I instinctively reach for my Fuji cameras. I now shoot regularly at ISO 6400 through 12,800 with no issues.
4. Two types of sensor design: 1) First obviously is their X-Trans sensor design, and... 2) they have an entry level and intermediate Bayer sensor line in their X-AX series and X-TXXX series. Both cameras generate a superb color tonality with rich, dynamic colors.
5. Excellent skin tones - self explanatory here.
6. A large system of lenses - the largest of any APS-C camera system. Even the entry level basic X-C line of lenses product superb IQ capabilities.
Canon EOS M system - to put if simply, a "fun" system to use. Canon produced a system of mirrorless cameras that keep in line with what mirrorless camera designers originally had intended - that is, a far smaller system of models that are light, convenient, and have exceptional IQ. As an aside, if you look at many of the Micro 43 models being released now-a-days, they are getting as large as regular DSLR's - not so with the Canon EOS M line of cameras. I'm currently using the original M and M2 (because of the colors), M50, M100, and M6.
The one area of the EOS M system that I've had an issue with for a long, long time, is the lack of dedicated EF-M lenses - of which there are not many. Sure, you can use the adapter and use a variety of larger, heavier EF-S and EF lenses - but IMO, that then defeats the purpose of having a smaller camera system. Others may not mind. And if you are primarily a prime lens shooter, than there are 3rd party versions available for the E-FM system. However, if you use zooms (like I do), you are limited with regards to very good, very sharp lenses in the EF-M system - other than the wonderful 11-22.
Samsung NX - I won't go into this system (although I enjoy using it very much) because it is no longer available.
So in the end, as I mentioned - all cameras are capable of generating superb results. What will differ are how colors are rendered, dynamic range capabilities, high ISO results (again, read "clean" here), menu layouts, and ergonomic considerations.
Right now, the one system that I've been focused on for a good 50-70% of the time is the Fuji system for the reasons I delineated above. Am I saying that because somehow I dislike the other brands? Hell no, as I enjoy using them all! But I have to be forthright here in that if I were forced to discard all of my camera brands except one, honestly...I would keep and maintain the Fujifilm cameras and they do have a loyal following (and the numbers of new users are growing). But the likes of the X-Pro 3 represent a dilemma. You will either like this camera, or you will hate it. It's certainly not for me. But it would be your cup of tea - just keep in mind the other variables I mentioned above with regards to Fuji cameras.
Good luck...
Having said all that, cameras from all of those brands are capable of generating superb IQ results and oftentimes it's difficult to choose which one brand to settle on. What then comes into play are differences - some tangible and some intangible (often difficult to put into words). So where to begin?
Alright, these are my opinions and yes, they are subjective because no two folks will use their cameras in the same way. I'm primarily a "stills" shooter and have not gotten my feet wet with video (although I know that sometime in the near future I'll belatedly embrace that process), so my remarks are based on stills shooting only.
1. Micro 4/3 - I've been with the Four Thirds system since its very inception back in 2004 or so with the introduction of the venerable 5 MP Olympus E-1 (which I still occasional use by the way). Then transitioning to M43 became a smooth scenario and I was glad to see that the IQ levels were as good or better than the previous regular Four Thirds system. So I cannot fault M43 cameras in any way. I've owned a bunch of those cameras and right now I'm using the E-M5 (original Mk I), E-M10 Mk II, E-P5 Pen, and the Pen F and I've come to appreciate their ergonomics, and capabilities. I particularly enjoy using the Olympus versions of M43 cameras mainly due to a preferred (warmer) color tonality, and IMO, a bit more DR than what I managed to get with my Panasonic cameras when I used them. In addition, I found that Olympus cameras generate far better skin tones than their Panasonic counterparts, although from what I've heard and read, that is gradually changing in the Panasonic line as newer models are being released. Recommendation - As I always tell folks, "do NOT discard a particular camera (or system) in hopes of jumping to another system. If you can swing it, by all means pick another camera brand, purchase one of their cameras and then do your evaluations (without parting with your previous cameras).
Fuji X system - I took a chance (experimented out of curiosity) and purchased the Fuji X-E1 and kit 18-55 F2.8-4 IS lens 6-7 years ago. At the time of that Fuji purchase, I was shooting Canon, Nikon, and Micro 43 cameras. From the moment the X-E1 arrived, I became hooked on Fuji's way of doing things, camera design, and their generous and loyal "Kaizen" system of FW updates. Currently I'm using the X-T2, X-T20, X-E3, X-E2s, X-H1, X-A5, and X-T100.
What I've come to enjoy with Fuji are:
1. Camera designs (both rangefinder and DSLR models) that sport superb ergonomics (again, subjective I know).
2. Exceptional Dynamic Range capabilities. Among all of the mirrorless brands you are considering (from your OP), you will find that the DR capabilities of the Fuji system far exceed what you may have been exposed to with the M43 line of cameras. In addition, I am able to pull far greater dynamic range (in particular with RAW files) with my Fuji cameras as compared to the other brands..
3. Exceptional high ISO (read "clean" here). Whenever I have to shoot in very low light and need clean high ISO images, I instinctively reach for my Fuji cameras. I now shoot regularly at ISO 6400 through 12,800 with no issues.
4. Two types of sensor design: 1) First obviously is their X-Trans sensor design, and... 2) they have an entry level and intermediate Bayer sensor line in their X-AX series and X-TXXX series. Both cameras generate a superb color tonality with rich, dynamic colors.
5. Excellent skin tones - self explanatory here.
6. A large system of lenses - the largest of any APS-C camera system. Even the entry level basic X-C line of lenses product superb IQ capabilities.
Canon EOS M system - to put if simply, a "fun" system to use. Canon produced a system of mirrorless cameras that keep in line with what mirrorless camera designers originally had intended - that is, a far smaller system of models that are light, convenient, and have exceptional IQ. As an aside, if you look at many of the Micro 43 models being released now-a-days, they are getting as large as regular DSLR's - not so with the Canon EOS M line of cameras. I'm currently using the original M and M2 (because of the colors), M50, M100, and M6.
The one area of the EOS M system that I've had an issue with for a long, long time, is the lack of dedicated EF-M lenses - of which there are not many. Sure, you can use the adapter and use a variety of larger, heavier EF-S and EF lenses - but IMO, that then defeats the purpose of having a smaller camera system. Others may not mind. And if you are primarily a prime lens shooter, than there are 3rd party versions available for the E-FM system. However, if you use zooms (like I do), you are limited with regards to very good, very sharp lenses in the EF-M system - other than the wonderful 11-22.
Samsung NX - I won't go into this system (although I enjoy using it very much) because it is no longer available.
So in the end, as I mentioned - all cameras are capable of generating superb results. What will differ are how colors are rendered, dynamic range capabilities, high ISO results (again, read "clean" here), menu layouts, and ergonomic considerations.
Right now, the one system that I've been focused on for a good 50-70% of the time is the Fuji system for the reasons I delineated above. Am I saying that because somehow I dislike the other brands? Hell no, as I enjoy using them all! But I have to be forthright here in that if I were forced to discard all of my camera brands except one, honestly...I would keep and maintain the Fujifilm cameras and they do have a loyal following (and the numbers of new users are growing). But the likes of the X-Pro 3 represent a dilemma. You will either like this camera, or you will hate it. It's certainly not for me. But it would be your cup of tea - just keep in mind the other variables I mentioned above with regards to Fuji cameras.
Good luck...
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Add me to the list. Moved from a OVF to the M6ii when it first came out. EVF is good when I need it in bright light, but I often use the rear screen too. BTW, when I do a road trip, I just toss the camera into the car's center tray without worrying about the EVF. It's built like a tank, but when you don't need it, you can take it off and put it into a pocket. Makes for an even smaller camera with it off.Me too, and not to insult anyone, but I think the removable evf is only an issue to those who don't own the camera. ...and I guess that could be a reason they don't own the camera...
dmanthree
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The IQ of all three will surpass m4/3, but that doesn't mean m4/3 is bad. Not hardly. And glass? M4/3 has them all beat. Maybe you should be looking at a newer m4/3 body. The GX8 is good, but there have been significant improvements in AF with newer bodies from both Panasonic and Olympus.
I am looking for convienence, better handling, better image quality, and portability. I like my GX8, but its grip does not fit my hand, and I need to take a separate battery charger. And while the lenses are sharp, they don't get markedly better until you spend a lot of money and forgoe the size advantage.
XIOO V and EOS M6 with the 22mm seen to be the best candidates unless the Lvnix GX IQ comes out soon.
dmanthree
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Those bodies are nice, but if you interchangeable lenses, I doubt you'd be satisfied with either of those systems compared to M4/3. Take a look at the Oly EM1 III. It's killer.
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