Canom M50 or Fuji XT100

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All,

I am looking for an entry level mirrorless camera with APSC sensor and viewfinder.

With that criteria, I have narrowed down to these 2 cameras. I will be using for general casual photography - indoors, family, travel etc. Also, I don't plan to use the kit lens primarily for the time being before I develop specific interest on a particular type of photography. I might buy one fast prime lens along with the kit lens though.

The Fuji XT100 costs $450 with 15-45 kit

The Canon M50 costs $700 with 15-45 kit.

I think the Canon M50 is an overall better camera but the $250 price difference is making me think. I am mainly worried about the autofocus performance of the XT100 as it has been widely criticized in reviews. I might not be shooting a lot of first action but I would still like the autofocus to track subjects when there is some movement. Is there a particular setting in the camera which I can use for AF which works well?

Secondly, I have heard the kit zoom is annoying to use. Can I use the focus ring to operate the kit zoom?

Also, there are reports that the performance of the camera is not responsive and laggy and frustrating to use. Also, the touchscreen interface of the Canon M50 is way better. The XT100 comes with better battery and slightly better high ISO performance

Please suggest which one makes more sense considering my usage and whether I should spend the $700 more for the Canon ?
 
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You may be able to find it with 16-50,it's a normal turn the ring zoom?

XT100 produces great images AF is fine but not as good as X-T30/3.People who say it's slow probably compare.
 
I understand you are asking about these 2 but I believe the x-t20 beats both handedly. I see you can find them on e-bay for $500 or under with the capable 16-50 kit zoom. you can look up the specs and read reviews so I won’t qualify my statement further at this time.

Good luck!
 
M50 with kit is 600USD on Amazon. It's a great little camera - my daughter loves hers. Very good user guidance and touch screen that pivots for selfies. Great images and very good AF & tracking. If you get this one, consider buying the kit that includes the 50-200 lens. Negatives are basically no upgrade path - Canon's M lenses are very limited.

If you see yourself "investing" in more lenses, I'd go for a second hand XT2 or XT20 instead...
 
I had both once at the same time, the X-T100 feels very laggy when compared to the M50. Focus speed, touch screen and family video stuff are all better on the Canon. If you want to buy Fuji, X-T20 and X-E3 should be in the same price range.
 
I had the A6000, then M50, then X-T100 and now the X-T20.

The M50 is a nice camera but there were just to many nitpicks for me:

- The flip screen while cool on paper, requires to be swung out completely to adjust the angle. In Sony and Fuji you can just flip it up or down quickly.

- When using the touch screen to adjust the AF field while looking through the EVF it would behave erratically when my nose was touching the screen (only the right part of the screen was active).

- After i stopped using the touch screen for AF, changing the field with D-Pad was a chore because the jumps aren't big enough and you really have to wait a lot for the rectangle to move.

- The one adjustment wheel is really limiting.

- The last straw for me was the fact that in the Canon M-System the lens is always wide open even when half pressing the shutter. You have to assign a button for "DOF-Preview" to make it close. No other mirrorless i was using would do that. I understand that this is how it worked in DSLRs, but I am buying mirrorless to have a complete WYSIWYG experience.

The X-T100 AF is laughable and the sluggish interface makes it though to use.

I now have a used X-T20 that i bought for the price of a new X-T100 and I am finally happy.
 
The X-T100 AF is laughable and the sluggish interface makes it though to use.
I take it that the X-T100 isn't something you'd bring to a motorsport event?

Can you elaborate on the interface? I've read very conflicting reviews about it.

I'm likewise considering in buying something in the pricerange of X-T100 or X-T20 as my first camera, but I'll probably wait till the new rumored cameras are published to see how they are (X-T200 mainly).
 
I started with an X-A3, then replaced that camera with an X-T20 about a year ago. Over the holidays, I picked up the X-T100/XC 15-45mm kit for just under $400. My breakdown of the kit value is that the body cost me $250 and the lens cost me $150.

I wanted the lens to use like a wide-angle prime and I wanted the body as an occasional backup to my X-T20 for events. I also wanted to use the X-T100 for landscape photographs.

The lens has worked well with both the X-T100 and the X-T20, although I don't believe some of the higher-end bodies have firmware that fully supports the XC lens. The camera body has been fine for my purposes, but the auto-focus isn't as good as what I have on the X-T20. I have not noticed any serious lag with the X-T100 menus, etc. I do have the latest firmware, so maybe the lag issue has been addressed by firmware upgrades.

I have used the X-T100 with an XF 35mm F2 and am satisfied with the performance. A couple of times I also used the body with an XF 27mm for street photography and didn't have any problems. If fact, the LCD range of motion has been very useful for getting candid portrait images.

For a net cost of $250, the X-T100 has been a very good value for my use cases. I think the camera would be fine for a beginner, but a more advanced user might want something that provides a faster auto-focus. I tend to use the auto-focus system with static subjects or I use manual focus with peaking, so the auto-focus speed isn't a big concern for me.

There is a benefit to having a camera without fast auto-focus; you will probably learn how to use manual focus. I think beginners sometimes purchase cameras that do so much automatically, users don't develop a good understanding of basic principles.

Here are some images I took with the X-T100 and XF 27mm.



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...allow me to provide a statement or two...

1. To begin with, both cameras are nice ergonomically and both obviously are 24 MP instruments. The X-T100 has a perceivable better build feel to it than the EOS M50 and currently you can probably pick up either for a similar price point to the other one. I've listed (what I perceive to be) the positives and negatives below. Like any other opinion to a question, it's all subjective. But I'm replying based on my use and experiences with these two cameras. All too often, one can observe folks providing speculation or negative comments to cameras they've actually never used - and since it's a brand other than what they use...thus the negative comments.

2. Positives of the X-T100:

a. Build quality (a perceptive feel) - has some heft to it.

b. That wonderful Fuji color tonality.

c. Superb (cleaner) high ISO capabilities. I get ISO 12,800 images that can look stunning really.

d. The kit XC 15-45 F3.5-5.6 IS is optically superior in so many ways with more consistency between copies. Additionally the wide end equivalent focal reach of 22.5 MM puts it into semi super wide angle range. When using this kit lens, most of the time I don't feel the need for a wide angle lens. It's superb for scenics, architectural or large group portraits.

e. FW Updates - Fuji continues to release relevant FW updates for this camera, among of which (to this date) several have already been released.

f. The X-T100 is a superb stills photographer camera (not video).

g. A wide variety of lens choices - the largest APS-C variety of lenses available from any given manufacturer. And even the lower tier entry level XC kit lenses are superb.

3. Positives of the EOS M50:

a. Has a smaller form factor (size) and resembles a small DSLR.

b. A delight to use. For me (subjective, I know), the EOS M50 (and other EOS M series cameras) adhere to one of the original goals of mirrorless in general - that is, a smaller size factor. It's comfortable to hold and use.

c. Has a nice, warm color tonality.

d. Has superb and speed AF capabilities due to the dual pixel AF system - even in darker scenes.

d. Has better video capabilities (if you're into video).

e. Has a pleasant, easier to decipher (and use) menu system.

4. Negatives of the X-T100 (perceived and subjective):

a. Poor (and ridiculous) 4K IQ levels (15 fps - daaaaaaaaa)

b. AF for fast moving objects definitely not up to par.

c. Camera should really be used for general stills photography scenarios only, at which point it will excel.

5. Negatives of the EOS M50 (again, perceived and subjective):

a. Less than ideal higher ISO capabilities. I typically don't try to go higher than ISO 3200 - 4000 if I have to. Fuji has Canon beat in this department by a long mile.

b. Absolutely horrible EF-M lenses choices. Currently, although Canon has released a total of 9 EOS M bodies since the original was first released some 6 + or - years ago, there are currently only a total of 9 EF-M lenses available for the EOS M system, half of which are just OK, while the primes and the absolutely superb 11-22 wide angle zoom are stellar. It should read more like only 8 lenses because they stopped making the original EF-M 18-55 kit lens (although plenty can still be found on eBay). Granted, Canon recommends you also use their EF to EF-M adapter to allow the use of all of their lenses, but then it all becomes unwieldy with regards to appearance, size, and balance. If that doesn't bother you , then by all means, you'll have a larger lens selection with the available of plenty of EF (FF) and EF-S (APS-C) lenses.

c. Focusing in on the kit lens - the EF-M 15-45 F3.5-6.3 IS STM - it has a nice build quality feel to it (even though it's all plastic) and quite small. However, the history with the severe lack of consistency between different copies, is well documented. Additionally, it's a very slow lens. I went through 4 of them until I got a good copy. Of course, like anything else, if you get a good copy, you'll be all smiles. Bad ones (or marginal) ones will give you decentering from minor issues at the corners all the way up to entire right or left sides of the frame being blurry.

d. Canon is very stingy with FW updates. When they do release - in particular, for the EOS M system - you are lucky. If there are operational issues with a particular EOS M camera, Canon would much rather wait until they release the next model.

6. Summary...

I can say that I enjoy using both systems without a doubt. The Canon EOS M system holds true to the original goal of having smaller mirrorless cameras (now I'm referring to the APS-C EOS M system - not their larger FF "R" system). However, as I've stated on several other forums from time to time, if I was forced to have to scale back from my current use of several systems - those being the EOS-M, Fuji X, Micro 4/3, and Samsung NX cameras - to just one camera system, well, I would settle on keeping the Fuji X system, hands-down!

7. Judging Colors...

Here are several samples below of familiar scenes from past postings which kind of give you an idea as to how colors are rendered by both cameras. Both cameras capture warm colors to a large degree, but color preferences can be a very subjective thing. The images below (from both the X-T100 and M50) feature their respective kit lenses (15-45). All were shot in RAW mode and converted with Photoshop ACR. JPG's were created using Irfanview at around 2000 x 1500 to 2200 x 1600 (or similar) in size - large enough to fill a screen, yet small enough to be manageable on line. The camera used will be shown underneath each image. Note - these were obviously taken at different times of year, so lighting and sky conditions will be different. Also, be advised that the images do not have any EXIF data in them. Why? When using the superb batch conversion program called "Irfanview," it strips EXIF data from JPG files created from TIF Images.

M50 and kit lens - taken at the end of March.
M50 and kit lens - taken at the end of March.

X-T100 with kit lens - taken during August.
X-T100 with kit lens - taken during August.

M50 with kit lens - during November.  Now please note that this particular 15-45 was sent back to Canon for decentering.  Look halfway up on the far left side and you will notice blurring.  In fact, look at the side of the building through the trees on the upper far left and you will see how blurry it is.  That's the problem with this lens (often) in that one side or the other will be blurry.  This was shot at F8 at 1/200 sec.
M50 with kit lens - during November. Now please note that this particular 15-45 was sent back to Canon for decentering. Look halfway up on the far left side and you will notice blurring. In fact, look at the side of the building through the trees on the upper far left and you will see how blurry it is. That's the problem with this lens (often) in that one side or the other will be blurry. This was shot at F8 at 1/200 sec.

X-T100 with kit lens - taken during November.
X-T100 with kit lens - taken during November.

M50 with kit lens - taken at ISO 3200...
M50 with kit lens - taken at ISO 3200...

X-T100 with kit lens at ISO 12,800 (this room was actually very dark, and I had the X-T100 on Auto ISO and the end result was a fairly clean shot for this ISO level, however, at the expense of making the room look like it was brightly lit - which was not the case.
X-T100 with kit lens at ISO 12,800 (this room was actually very dark, and I had the X-T100 on Auto ISO and the end result was a fairly clean shot for this ISO level, however, at the expense of making the room look like it was brightly lit - which was not the case.

M50 with kit lens at ISO 3200.
M50 with kit lens at ISO 3200.

X-t100 with kit lens at ISO 12,800 - again, the lighting conditions were very similar to the ones shown in the M50 photos above, but the auto ISO on the X-T100 chose ISO 12,800 in this dimly lit room and in the process making it look much brighter than it really was.
X-t100 with kit lens at ISO 12,800 - again, the lighting conditions were very similar to the ones shown in the M50 photos above, but the auto ISO on the X-T100 chose ISO 12,800 in this dimly lit room and in the process making it look much brighter than it really was.

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Thanks a lot for all your replies. This is much more than I expected but I am not complaining :)

Let me clarify a few things first

1> I live in India and the prices quoted are what is available here. The Canon M50 is approximately $250 more than the Fuji XT100. In fact, the Fuji XT100 with 15-45 kit and 50-230 zoom is available at a lower price than the Canon M50 with 15-45 kit

2> The Fuji XT20 is a superior camera but it is available only with the 18-55 kit here and costs a further $300 more than the Canon M50. Actually, XT20 18-55 costs around $1000 whereas the XT100 with 15-45 costs $400. Huge price difference

3> I am not a complete novice as I have used a DSLR before - Canon 600D and I had 3-4 lenses with me, all of which I have sold

4> I don't shoot much video. I don't shoot fast action. However, I would like face tracking to work well when I am shooting subjects which move a bit.

5> I like to shoot more at the wide angle.

Now, given my requirements XT100 makes sense for me particularly given the better ISO performance and the slightly wider kit lens and of course, it looks much sexier. I am actually surprised at the difference in high ISO performance looking at Ben's pictures - the Fuji looks way better.

The price difference will come down once I buy additional lenses. For example, if I buy a 22/23mm prime lens, the Fuji 23mm will cost probably $250 more than the Canon 22mm. So, to me the price is not a big factor for this decision. Also, I don't plan to buy more lenses. So, Fuji having much more lenses is not a factor for this decision as I am happy with the options Canon has.

So, before I go ahead with the XT100, a few clarifications -

1> Kit lens - I will be using the kit lens primarily at least for the time being. I understand the fuji lens is optically superior. Is the difference perceptible easily? I have heard/read that the Fuji 15-45 kit lens is difficult or frustrating to operate due to the power zoom. Can you please share your experience?

2> How bad is the AF on the XT100? Does it take time to lock the AF or struggle while tracking when using AF continuous? Is it a botheration for still subjects also? Which autofocus modes/options to use in the XT100 to get the best AF performance. As I said, I don't do much action photography but I need a fast and reliable autofocus system for objects or portraits.

3> About the user interface on the XT100, again how frustrating is it to use? I guess the touchscreen has limited functionality compared to the M50. May be I can customize the dials to suit my needs. Thoughts?

So, if you consider both to be priced similarly, what would be the choice given my requirements.
 
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For your needs i would get the Canon M50 over the x-t100, its simply just more responsive. The AF is faster and more reliable, youll struggle with photos of moving kids with the x-t100 or any low light situation. As for future prime lenses the M50 has access to cheap Canon 22/2, 32/1.4 and Sigma 16/1.4, 30/1.4, 56/1.4 lenses.
 
Negatives are basically no upgrade path - Canon's M lenses are very limited.

If you see yourself "investing" in more lenses, I'd go for a second hand XT2 or XT20 instead...
This.

Without getting bogged down in any of the other technical minutia, the lens offerings are key when deciding to take on a new system.
 
Negatives are basically no upgrade path - Canon's M lenses are very limited.

If you see yourself "investing" in more lenses, I'd go for a second hand XT2 or XT20 instead...
This.
Without getting bogged down in any of the other technical minutia, the lens offerings are key when deciding to take on a new system.
Disagree. I choose the best camera for IQ and handling and need only the "standard" 24-75mm range for my work.
 
1> Kit lens - I will be using the kit lens primarily at least for the time being. I understand the fuji lens is optically superior. Is the difference perceptible easily? I have heard/read that the Fuji 15-45 kit lens is difficult or frustrating to operate due to the power zoom. Can you please share your experience?
You'll have to get used to it. I had no particular problems with it, but my previous camera was a compact with a powered zoom so it didn't make any difference for me. You can set-up the focus dial to behave as a slower, gentler zoom. In any case, it won't be as fast as a manually activated one such as in the XC 16-55 or any other Fuji zoom lens.
2> How bad is the AF on the XT100? Does it take time to lock the AF or struggle while tracking when using AF continuous? Is it a botheration for still subjects also? Which autofocus modes/options to use in the XT100 to get the best AF performance. As I said, I don't do much action photography but I need a fast and reliable autofocus system for objects or portraits.
DP Review TV tested the X-T100 , you should check the video out. They also made a comparison with the Canon M50 and the Sony Alpha 6000 , where I remember the continuous AF was indeed flagged as a serious issue.
3> About the user interface on the XT100, again how frustrating is it to use? I guess the touchscreen has limited functionality compared to the M50. May be I can customize the dials to suit my needs. Thoughts?So, if you consider both to be priced similarly, what would be the choice given my requirements.
No idea, I haven't used an X-T100. What I know after viewing far too much camera review videos is that Fuji menus tend to be very similar between their cameras, so I guess the X-T100 problem would be that it feels unresponsive or slow.
 
The X-T100 AF is laughable and the sluggish interface makes it though to use.
I take it that the X-T100 isn't something you'd bring to a motorsport event?
Actually, not necessarily :-) Well, you need fast AF-C for an approaching car shot, but you also need a $1,900 XF 100-400 for that, so out of our budget anyway.

For most spectator-side shots, most ILC are plenty. I shot these with an X-T100, manual focus. In this case, manual focus is actually the most reliable way, because the cars will always pass on that spot anyway.

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As for OP'S question regarding AF performance for stills (aka AF-S), I have found it to be very quick and reliable. Never struggled to take a good shot in AF-S, really, especially with the XC15-45mm and XF27mm. I do notice my XC50-230mm will hunt and struggle to lock focus in dark conditions only, but that could be a lens thing (it's perfectly quick in good lighting). AF-C is definitely not very fast, but I never use it frankly—even when photographing my pets, for example. So, depends on your shooting style.

Straight out of camera! XC15-45mm
Straight out of camera! XC15-45mm

And yes, you definitely can use the focus ring to smoothly zoom the XC15-45mm. It's definitely the better ring to use and eliminates any annoyance of it being electric.

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Thanks! Those F1 shots look reassuring. I am though waiting for the X-T200 specs & pricing to be released, and the X-T20 isn't that far off either.
 
Perhaps you can wait until the new XT200 is released:


It appears to be similar to the X-A7 but with EVF in XT100-style/package.
 
TIC

Obviously the Canom M50 is way inferior to the Fuji XT100.

After all, Fuji is the well known apsc king. While Canom was literally unknown to exist untill this thread started. Well, perhaps it was to some, but not to me.
 
TIC

Obviously the Canom M50 is way inferior to the Fuji XT100.

After all, Fuji is the well known apsc king. While Canom was literally unknown to exist untill this thread started. Well, perhaps it was to some, but not to me.
I am planning to buy the Canon M50 mainly because of the better autofocus and snappy performance. The Fuji XT100 has slightly better high ISO performance but I can live with that. Also, the kit lens on the Fuji felt extremely cheap and clumsy to operate compared to the Canon kit.

Also, though Canon has less number of lenses, I like the Canon lens lineup better than Fuji for my purpose. For example, I plan to buy a wide angle zoom lens and Canon has a very nice 11-22mm lens within my budget. Similar lens in Fuji costs 3 times more. ALso, the 22mm pancake is nice, compact and cheaper than Fuji 23mm.

The XT200 seems to much better than XT100 but I am yet to see a review which talks in details about the autofocus performance of the XA7/XT200. ALso, in my place, the XA7 costs $100 more than the M50. SO the XT200 will be $200 more.
 
Don't do it,the XT-200 is announced.799 with the 15-45.

It's miles ahead of the M50....That Canon 15-45 isn't great.

All the Fuji lenses range from excellent to superb.
 
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