Jay's Boss's phone number.

I just think that people are getting tired of being beaten over the head with the same issues. There hasn't been an official review done yet, there are no "production" cameras in anyone's hands, and yet people keep carping about how terrible the (as of now) non-existant product is. Let the people who actually have a camera in hand speak about it. Let's see what the "production" firmware delivers. Then those who are still interested can make their decisions. Everyone else should just shut... (can't say it because I'd be kicked off of the forum), and find another forum to haunt.

And the clueless egotistical twit who started this thread is included.
I am just kinda tired of people not address issues and problems,
here and many other places.... You state what you think is wrong
with something and hopefully it will get fixed... Seems lately if
you say something is wrong people want to crucify you for insulting
what they consider good..
Does kinda describe a lot of "people" on this forum.
Seems someone did not read the POST.. Try reading the part about
how people allways find a way to change to a subject that has
nothing to do with the currect issue... If you have any
knowledgable info to add feel free but try and stick with the idea
of the 14N.. It is nice that you reinforced one of my statements in
my post (the one about people getting to emotional and NOT sticking
to the subject at hand..).. Thank You..

The issue was problems with the 14N NOT my username... But I guess
you could not find anything to note... If you are wondering, the
name was a nickname that I used when I was network admin and beat
400 quake player at a gaming convention.. Hmm I guess you never
play any games from ID...
 
Everyone has the right to voice their opinions here. I guess what I'm having a hard time understanding is what seems like an obsession to me by people trying to influence others & trash this camera. I'll have to admit, I haven't decided if I will buy it. I will wait to see what the expert reviewers have to say about it. I find it odd that at the point someone decides it's not for them that they try to influence everyone else that it's not for them either. It's almost like they have a financial interest in trashing the camera & most of it's on second hand unreliable sources. I visit here & a few other camera forums to try to make a decision on which camera I want to buy. At the point I rule out the 14N I will have no reason to stick around here.
I am just kinda tired of people not address issues and problems,
here and many other places.... You state what you think is wrong
with something and hopefully it will get fixed... Seems lately if
you say something is wrong people want to crucify you for insulting
what they consider good..
Does kinda describe a lot of "people" on this forum.
Seems someone did not read the POST.. Try reading the part about
how people allways find a way to change to a subject that has
nothing to do with the currect issue... If you have any
knowledgable info to add feel free but try and stick with the idea
of the 14N.. It is nice that you reinforced one of my statements in
my post (the one about people getting to emotional and NOT sticking
to the subject at hand..).. Thank You..

The issue was problems with the 14N NOT my username... But I guess
you could not find anything to note... If you are wondering, the
name was a nickname that I used when I was network admin and beat
400 quake player at a gaming convention.. Hmm I guess you never
play any games from ID...
 
I have a question... Had anyone heard whether kodak will ship the camera (for sale to general public) with the same firmware as the Demos that are shipping with? That is what I want to know... I think that if the 2nd card slot is still not working they should not ship the camera.. That allways seemed strange to me...
 
I certainly cannot answer that. I think I will wait until they ship the camera, not just demos, it's reviewed and then we'll know. Or maybe I'll buy another camera and not worry about it.
I have a question... Had anyone heard whether kodak will ship the
camera (for sale to general public) with the same firmware as the
Demos that are shipping with? That is what I want to know... I
think that if the 2nd card slot is still not working they should
not ship the camera.. That allways seemed strange to me...
 
You're quite right, never played computer games. Had girlfriends...
The issue was problems with the 14N NOT my username... But I guess
you could not find anything to note... If you are wondering, the
name was a nickname that I used when I was network admin and beat
400 quake player at a gaming convention.. Hmm I guess you never
play any games from ID...
Shaun
It feels nice that you have read my posts also :) I check in here
so I know how the camera (14N) is doing... To see if they have
fixed anything... I am just wondering how many people here have
used the camera... Seems most people who defend it have never used
it at more then ISO 100 ( I have not used it past ISO 80 since it
was locked and this was only 2 weeks ago) Their is no perfect S2
either.. My 1st one had a CCD alignment, but it was fixed in a
week. It seems we have some 14N fanatics in here... If you insult
the camera and Kodak they say, "why dont you get out the forum and
its good your off the list since I am high now" OR they check to
see what other forums you are in and find some flaw their rathe
then address the issues I stated in my original post.. You do have
people going around and saying really ignorant things and they
deserve ignorant statments in return, but in many of my post I
brough up valid points that need to be address in the proper way.

If anyone says this camera (14N) is a good camera they are right if
they are talking about resolution at ISO 100 and lower...

Anyone who says the camera looks acceptable at ISO 400 is fooling
themselves... As someone else said, ISO 400 is not considered HIGH
by any means.. I have looked at a few images taken at ISO 200 and
400 and in most, the noise is horriable and I would never give a
client a picture with that much noise.. NEVER.. No one wants to
admit that I camera they defended and put faith in, as to date been
a failure, no one likes to admit that their hard work has yet to
pay off. I am speaking of Kodak.. But it seems so many user cant
wait to say they have a 14MP camera, that they over look the flaws
and seems to say, Ill but it now while I can get it and it will be
fixed later (maybe?)

I point out errors in the Canon forum (I have only used the 1Ds and
D60 very shortly) put I own a S2. I dont post in the Nikon except
for lens issues since I never used a nikon DSLR... No one want to
let go of the idea that the highest resolution FF sensor has
serious issues and Kodak is rushing this camera out the door to
make a quick buck.. They are tired of all the phone calls :) and
know they will get more sales now then if they wait a little
longer... In a thread from Jay, when we aksed why dont they just
release the camera even with the problems he said, Kodak will not
release the camera untill it meets their high standards and is
READY.. Well pressure from the top, overrid that high standard.
If you say the camera in the state it was at 2 weeks ago was HIGH
and ready then you either need to stick with CF cards only and
ISO80...

They may fix the issue in upcoming months, but it seems that many
people are willing to risk 5K on something that they may fix... It
the problem is the CMOS it may never be able to get fixed via
firmware... Oh yea, the same company(Fill Factory) who made that
CMOS chip made had another chip that was produced before they made
one for Kodak... That CMOS was scraped because they could never
work out the noise problem...

People seem to forget that Canon did work out the CMOS noise
problem, but it was done with hardware support, not software and
Canon has the paten on it and Kodak can not use anything simular to
solve their problem...

I think very few people here understand noise reduction. If your
source has a lot of noise (as the 14N has) then you are limited
from the start. If you look at the ISO 400 images (an iso many
people shoot at) they have a lot of noise.. As Jay has said, those
high noise images allready have noise reduction added to them.. So
how much more noise can they take out?

I rememer when I was polled by Kodak when they were doing cost
anayis on this camera.. They paid a lot of people money to due
surveys... I guess I should have clicks lower prices when I filled
out the forms, when they asked what would you be willing to pay for
a FF high resolution camera..
--
Shaun
--
Shaun
 
Shaun, how old are you? You are talking like a 15 y/o. Rather then address issues you play off thing like the posters name.. hmm.. The issue here is a CAMERA... I have to admit your total ignorance and pettyness is really amusing me... I guess since you dont have any good points to make about the camera and since you have to voice some opion on something, you resort to statements like that... If you are over the age of 20 I will be surprised... If you are over 20 then I think you need to some time to grow up and get with the program...

So when you have a valid point say it.. Other wise, go play...
 
I should stay out of this, but who's the child. Not Shaun.
Shaun, how old are you? You are talking like a 15 y/o. Rather
then address issues you play off thing like the posters name..
hmm.. The issue here is a CAMERA... I have to admit your total
ignorance and pettyness is really amusing me... I guess since you
dont have any good points to make about the camera and since you
have to voice some opion on something, you resort to statements
like that... If you are over the age of 20 I will be surprised...
If you are over 20 then I think you need to some time to grow up
and get with the program...

So when you have a valid point say it.. Other wise, go play...
 
I think I should stay out of this too - much as I love his sense of humour failure, it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. I'm up way past my bedtime, anyway.

Shaun
Shaun, how old are you? You are talking like a 15 y/o. Rather
then address issues you play off thing like the posters name..
hmm.. The issue here is a CAMERA... I have to admit your total
ignorance and pettyness is really amusing me... I guess since you
dont have any good points to make about the camera and since you
have to voice some opion on something, you resort to statements
like that... If you are over the age of 20 I will be surprised...
If you are over 20 then I think you need to some time to grow up
and get with the program...

So when you have a valid point say it.. Other wise, go play...
--
Shaun
 
hey Larry... did you read all the post before those.. You probaly did. But you did not post any of the statements he said.... I have been trying to change the subject back to the 14N and I keep getting minor insults from people who are dead set on this camera... Read all the posts.. I was writing about the camera the entire time... Rather they make a statement on what I said about the camera, he makes a remark about my user name... hmm Im sure if my name was John Smith he would have just found something else to defuse my statements on problems with the pro 14N... I swear their are some Pro14 fanatics...
Shaun, how old are you? You are talking like a 15 y/o. Rather
then address issues you play off thing like the posters name..
hmm.. The issue here is a CAMERA... I have to admit your total
ignorance and pettyness is really amusing me... I guess since you
dont have any good points to make about the camera and since you
have to voice some opion on something, you resort to statements
like that... If you are over the age of 20 I will be surprised...
If you are over 20 then I think you need to some time to grow up
and get with the program...

So when you have a valid point say it.. Other wise, go play...
 
You see Shaun, I am not trying to be funny...
Shaun
Shaun, how old are you? You are talking like a 15 y/o. Rather
then address issues you play off thing like the posters name..
hmm.. The issue here is a CAMERA... I have to admit your total
ignorance and pettyness is really amusing me... I guess since you
dont have any good points to make about the camera and since you
have to voice some opion on something, you resort to statements
like that... If you are over the age of 20 I will be surprised...
If you are over 20 then I think you need to some time to grow up
and get with the program...

So when you have a valid point say it.. Other wise, go play...
--
Shaun
 
I think the point you've missed is that I - and a lot of other people - would like a high resolution FF Nikon-fit SLR because we're used to what lenses that cover 24x36mm do. I don't think we care if it's made by Kodak, Fuji, Nikon or anybody else - We'd just like our lenses to fit, and for a 24mm to 'be' a 24mm, a 105 a 105 - etc.

Kodak is (almost) first out of the box, so it's worth a try. I believe they're quite a well known company in the photographic field, and I'm sure they'll give it their best shot. If it's not ideal, then they'll work like crazy to improve it, or something else will come along in a while. It's the way of digital. And most things in life, really.

I've lost track of how many Coolpix I've got through in the past few years (Epson printers, too), none were - or are - ideal, but I really valued the digital learning curve. I may not be thrilled by the 1.5x factor on my current D100 (or its other little niggles), but I have taken over 10,000 frames on it, and it's revived my interest in photography.

I see the DCS14 as being another step forward. I probably won't get prints out of it that are technically much better than those I got from my first Nikon back in 1967, but it'll be fun trying. I do reckon I'll get better photographs, though. The digital workflow and instant feedback (not to mention the magic of white balance) really does aid creativity. And that, I think, is what it's all about.

Shaun
Shaun
Shaun, how old are you? You are talking like a 15 y/o. Rather
then address issues you play off thing like the posters name..
hmm.. The issue here is a CAMERA... I have to admit your total
ignorance and pettyness is really amusing me... I guess since you
dont have any good points to make about the camera and since you
have to voice some opion on something, you resort to statements
like that... If you are over the age of 20 I will be surprised...
If you are over 20 then I think you need to some time to grow up
and get with the program...

So when you have a valid point say it.. Other wise, go play...
--
Shaun
--
Shaun
 
I agree... I do not like having to use a 24-85 and then a 17-35 for wide.. I dont like switching lenses... If anything I wish Nikon would make a good AFS and ED lens that was at least 3.5 ( PREFER 2.8) that would give you the same angle of view as the FF 24-85... I like the 1.5 because of the huge depth of feild (some people dont like it) but I am used to very little (I am coming from MF 645, 6x6 and even a little 6x7 and 4x5) so now that I can shoot 5.6 and have the same depth... Now I can use more natutal light... Thats is what has killed me with the 14N.. I love iso400 and dont trust that they are going to get the noise level to an acceptable level (like as in the D60/Fuji S2 (even though CCD) and 1Ds...) The people at the top of Kodak are screaming to get the camera out quick to get some sales in to make back all the money and the techs are screaming BUT THE CAMERA IS NOT READY...

when I read phil's review (I hope he gets to review it soon) of a FINAL shipping version (not pre pro or demo model) I will then know how things will turn out for Kodak..

I did some beta testing for Sierra software 3 years ago, and their products right before mass shipping were allmost indentical to final version... It just seems that if the camera is shipping this/next month, you would see better samples on kodak's site...
I think the point you've missed is that I - and a lot of other
people - would like a high resolution FF Nikon-fit SLR because
we're used to what lenses that cover 24x36mm do. I don't think we
care if it's made by Kodak, Fuji, Nikon or anybody else - We'd just
like our lenses to fit, and for a 24mm to 'be' a 24mm, a 105 a 105
  • etc.
Kodak is (almost) first out of the box, so it's worth a try. I
believe they're quite a well known company in the photographic
field, and I'm sure they'll give it their best shot. If it's not
ideal, then they'll work like crazy to improve it, or something
else will come along in a while. It's the way of digital. And most
things in life, really.

I've lost track of how many Coolpix I've got through in the past
few years (Epson printers, too), none were - or are - ideal, but I
really valued the digital learning curve. I may not be thrilled by
the 1.5x factor on my current D100 (or its other little niggles),
but I have taken over 10,000 frames on it, and it's revived my
interest in photography.

I see the DCS14 as being another step forward. I probably won't get
prints out of it that are technically much better than those I got
from my first Nikon back in 1967, but it'll be fun trying. I do
reckon I'll get better photographs, though. The digital workflow
and instant feedback (not to mention the magic of white balance)
really does aid creativity. And that, I think, is what it's all
about.

Shaun
 

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