Ellis Vener
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Do you use these for your inkjet prints?
Any recommendations?
Are any of them archival?
Any recommendations?
Are any of them archival?
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As well as protecting from UV light, Ozone and other airborne contaminates are protected against. It should be mentioned that because these airborne contaminates permeate both sides of paper, both sides of print should be sprayed. Moab Desert Varnish is a good choice.Do you use these for your inkjet prints?
Any recommendations?
Are any of them archival?
Spraying both sides for maximum protection sounds reasonable in theory, but AFAIK, has never been tested for the practical benefit it may or may not deliver.As well as protecting from UV light, Ozone and other airborne contaminates are protected against. It should be mentioned that because these airborne contaminates permeate both sides of paper, both sides of print should be sprayed. Moab Desert Varnish is a good choice.Do you use these for your inkjet prints?
Any recommendations?
Are any of them archival?
I can always see irregularities in the coating if I spray 13x19 prints from my Pro-100. Maybe I am doing it wrong.The protective sprays being discussed are quite expensive because a full can won't effectively cover more than a dozen or so letter-size prints when applied correctly in a two pass coating step. The per print additional cost of spray coating is enough that using a protective spray pretty much diminishes any substantive savings one gets by using third party inks.
From the responses (thank you) so far, I see that it would help to add some details about printer and media.Do you use these for your inkjet prints?
Any recommendations?
Are any of them archival?
Although the protective sprays like Print Shield advertise increased UV resistance, it's so minimal as to be disregarded. The reason these sprays improve lightfastness is because they are helping to seal the pores and lower the oxygen permeability. Inkjet inks fade due to photo oxidation reactions, so lowering the light lower the fade rate and lowering the oxygen transport to the dyes or pigments also lower the fade rate.I have considered passing my Pro-100 prints through my Pro-10 to add a chroma optimizer overcoat. Does the CO add any UV protection and would it add any fade resistance? (I use Precision Colors ink on the Pro-100.)
Thanks for this additional info. So, UV glass is the best protection for light. I had not considered cost of spray but if a print is valuable for lasting for maximum years, it would be good to spray a sealant against oxygen/ozone fading. How you would test for airborne contaminants fading? If you do such testing, it would be valuable information.Spraying both sides for maximum protection sounds reasonable in theory, but AFAIK, has never been tested for the practical benefit it may or may not deliver.As well as protecting from UV light, Ozone and other airborne contaminates are protected against. It should be mentioned that because these airborne contaminates permeate both sides of paper, both sides of print should be sprayed. Moab Desert Varnish is a good choice.Do you use these for your inkjet prints?
Any recommendations?
Are any of them archival?
The protective sprays being discussed are quite expensive because a full can won't effectively cover more than a dozen or so letter-size prints when applied correctly in a two pass coating step. The per print additional cost of spray coating is enough that using a protective spray pretty much diminishes any substantive savings one gets by using third party inks and then spraying each print in an attempt to boost print permanence back up to OEM equivalency (and it doesn't get you there, anyway). Also, coating the back side doubles the cost, but may or may not provide any significant additional benefit. The primary benefit of protective sprays comes from sealing the microporous coating layer, and that coating can only be reached with a spray from the image bearing side of the media.
Folks, these are simply the facts as I know them. I do personally use protective spray on expensive glossy/luster "traditional fiber" inkjet media printed with pigmented ink sets because it eliminates all bronzing/differential gloss issues and adds some additional scratch and abrasion resistance when handling the prints. Some printmakers say they don't see bronzing and differential gloss when a print is framed under glazing, but I still see it, and I don't like it, hence, a protective spray solves my issues when printing on glossy/luster media with pigmented inks.
I will put it on my "to do" list to actually perform a paired comparison test between no spray, spray on front side, and spray on both sides. It would be an interesting test. Can't promise when said testing will take place.
kind regards,
Mark
Thanks, Mark!Although the protective sprays like Print Shield advertise increased UV resistance, it's so minimal as to be disregarded. The reason these sprays improve lightfastness is because they are helping to seal the pores and lower the oxygen permeability. Inkjet inks fade due to photo oxidation reactions, so lowering the light lower the fade rate and lowering the oxygen transport to the dyes or pigments also lower the fade rate.
Ditto for the CO with regard to UV blocking capability, and while it can help seal the porous ink receptor layer somewhat, it's not going to appreciably help you with your dye-base pro-100 prints. Not worth it, IMHO.
cheers,
Mark
Mark,Spraying both sides for maximum protection sounds reasonable in theory, but AFAIK, has never been tested for the practical benefit it may or may not deliver.As well as protecting from UV light, Ozone and other airborne contaminates are protected against. It should be mentioned that because these airborne contaminates permeate both sides of paper, both sides of print should be sprayed. Moab Desert Varnish is a good choice.Do you use these for your inkjet prints?
Any recommendations?
Are any of them archival?
The protective sprays being discussed are quite expensive because a full can won't effectively cover more than a dozen or so letter-size prints when applied correctly in a two pass coating step. The per print additional cost of spray coating is enough that using a protective spray pretty much diminishes any substantive savings one gets by using third party inks and then spraying each print in an attempt to boost print permanence back up to OEM equivalency (and it doesn't get you there, anyway). Also, coating the back side doubles the cost, but may or may not provide any significant additional benefit. The primary benefit of protective sprays comes from sealing the microporous coating layer, and that coating can only be reached with a spray from the image bearing side of the media.
Folks, these are simply the facts as I know them. I do personally use protective spray on expensive glossy/luster "traditional fiber" inkjet media printed with pigmented ink sets because it eliminates all bronzing/differential gloss issues and adds some additional scratch and abrasion resistance when handling the prints. Some printmakers say they don't see bronzing and differential gloss when a print is framed under glazing, but I still see it, and I don't like it, hence, a protective spray solves my issues when printing on glossy/luster media with pigmented inks.
I will put it on my "to do" list to actually perform a paired comparison test between no spray, spray on front side, and spray on both sides. It would be an interesting test. Can't promise when said testing will take place.
kind regards,
Mark
This is new info to me. All the above sprays are actually the same product but sold with only different labels? Are you sure?I'm pretty sure all the spray cans are all the same product, just re-branded.
PremierArt, Hahn Varnish, MOAB Desert Varnish, etc
They're similar but not exact. I've compared all three and the primary difference is in how they spray. I hated the Moab as it came out way too strong--too much propellant. The Hahnemuhle and Print Shield were similar but the Print Shield can be bought by the case of 12 with about a 25% price break from itsupplies. https://www.itsupplies.com/PremierArt-Print-Shield-Inkjet-Spray-Case-p/pa1950case.htmNo, I'm not 100% sure but I do recall older threads (here and elsewhere) that seemed to indicate that. Note that the Hahn is a 2pk.
You are correct, but not everyone has the room for a spray setup, that's why the roller application system is also available. BTW, the only liquid laminate that has been proven to extend display life is Premier Art Eco Print Shield. No tests have been done on Timeless and BC's other coating Glamour 2 has been shown to actually decrease display life by about 1/2.If you intend to do a large volume of liquid lamination you should invest in a LPHV or HPHV spraying system. And look at Marabu ClearJet laminates as well as Primier Ecoshield and Breathing Colors Timeless liquid laminates. These can be purchased in 1 gal cans reducing your cost. They are Archival.
You can not get the required coverage with a spray can when coating large format prints. nor can you control the spray pattern to any degree of accuracy with a spray can. You also can't get your coatings as thin comparative to a good spray gun system.
The negative it does take a capital out lay to invest in a good spraying system. Liquid lamination is another skill set that one must learn. Dust is your enemy.
Liquid lamination provides UV protection, scratch and touch protection, moisture protection, and most importantly Ozone protection. Ozone is the biggest cause of print degradation and longevity.
You have to be careful with water based inks on particular papers. In some cases one must lay down a LL solvent coat initially. Then let that coat dry thoroughly and then apply your water based laminates on top to prevent ink bleeding.
Just my 2₵. Good Printing.....