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I took this with my smart phone:
Actually, I didn't.
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Actually, I didn't.
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mamallama
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Don’t you just love it when someone posts a quick memory shot taken in the spur of the moment with a smartphone after enjoying a restaurant meal and it gets criticized as if it were some big photography project.Seeing every photo on the internet taken with the same super-wide-angle perspective and distortion... So tiresome, and personally unacceptable.
Lunch in Hakodate, Japan.
Save the wide angle phone for open landscapes and scenery.
CMCM
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I don't know why there have to be endless debates about cameras vs. camera phones as if one must prevail over and eliminate the other. I love photography and when I want to take serious photos I use my DSLR. But it's nice to have my iPhone for shooting this or that for convenience and when I don't have my DSLR kit with me. My phone is always with me so it's always available, and that's nice. 99% of what I shoot on my phone stays on my phone, they are just reference photos of something or another. Sometimes shots with family or friends when the occasion pops up. A phone camera is a very welcome convenience but it in no way replaces a camera (to me, at least, but not for all). Of course there are many for whom it serves all photographic purposes and they have zero interest in learning real photography. My adult daughter fits into that category, and to some extent, also my son (although he has a mild interest in having a camera).
I remember my years-ago cell phone (Motorola Razr) had a primitive little camera, which I thought was handy (for the same things I use my phone for now), but the photos were horrible. Now with my iPhone 8 Plus, the camera is pretty darn good for what it is, I'm quite pleased with it. I even got a cool little app for it that allows me to set all sorts of things in the camera...EV, WB, ISO, SS, Aperture. Sometimes that is quite useful, but I actually don't even use it all that much because what I shoot is mostly quick informational shots, to remember things, etc...kind of like taking notes about something.
I see the camera phone as a handy adjunct to DSLRs, and they are used for different purposes for the most part. I'm glad to have both. But not everyone wants or needs both, that is very clear.
I remember my years-ago cell phone (Motorola Razr) had a primitive little camera, which I thought was handy (for the same things I use my phone for now), but the photos were horrible. Now with my iPhone 8 Plus, the camera is pretty darn good for what it is, I'm quite pleased with it. I even got a cool little app for it that allows me to set all sorts of things in the camera...EV, WB, ISO, SS, Aperture. Sometimes that is quite useful, but I actually don't even use it all that much because what I shoot is mostly quick informational shots, to remember things, etc...kind of like taking notes about something.
I see the camera phone as a handy adjunct to DSLRs, and they are used for different purposes for the most part. I'm glad to have both. But not everyone wants or needs both, that is very clear.
markyboy81
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Well, I thought this was one of those threads where it is claimed that a phone is good enough and you don't need to bring a camera? And this site is mainly for critiquing the standard of equipment? So in that case I don't see anything wrong with the post.Don’t you just love it when someone posts a quick memory shot taken in the spur of the moment with a smartphone after enjoying a restaurant meal and it gets criticized as if it were some big photography project.Seeing every photo on the internet taken with the same super-wide-angle perspective and distortion... So tiresome, and personally unacceptable.
Lunch in Hakodate, Japan.
Save the wide angle phone for open landscapes and scenery.
I think the photo is ok, but if you post any picture on here be prepared to have it torn apart.
chipmaster
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Nice, I'll wager if cameras don't improve anymore you will be happy, or what upgrade will make you pop 7-8K? For me I upgraded twice from D3s but the reality is after D3s didn't buy new once, simply not worth popping for expensive new gear, phone that's another matter, family upgrades every two years iPhone4, iPhone5, iPhone6, iPhone7, iPhoneX, likely hold out to next year, even for phones upgrades are slowing. But for cameras the bottom fell out of it.
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mamallama
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And that restaurant photo proves it.Well, I thought this was one of those threads where it is claimed that a phone is good enough and you don't need to bring a camera?Don’t you just love it when someone posts a quick memory shot taken in the spur of the moment with a smartphone after enjoying a restaurant meal and it gets criticized as if it were some big photography project.Seeing every photo on the internet taken with the same super-wide-angle perspective and distortion... So tiresome, and personally unacceptable.
Lunch in Hakodate, Japan.
Save the wide angle phone for open landscapes and scenery.
That just shows you are into bashing smartphone photos.
I know. There's lots of Sour Grapes on this forum.
I believe the opposite is true....especially with video-ever see all the rubbish people post from concerts. Annoying and a waste of time, plus being stuck behind the dork that's holding his phone up the entire show! Ban them!
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markyboy81
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Haha so true, I really don't understand people filming at concerts. Is it to show others as if to say 'look what you missed'? The video and sound is usually so awful I can't imagine anyone would actually enjoy watching it.
Reminds me of this:
Huawei was caught using a pro camera to fake smartphone photos (again)
An actor in the commercial accidentally revealed the trick on her Instagram.
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Nice shot...
-Martin P
I have to take 'Gravol' before viewing any, but its too hard to bear even then.....lol
-Martin P
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Donald B
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have to agree. went to my daughters netball presentation last night. not 1 other camera. all formal images taken on phones. i took some photos of my daughters team at their table and to get the dof required was shooting up to iso 6400 :-( at f3.5. the coach shot the same images with a cell phone and posted them on social media. to be honest mine were a little better due to framing and slightly more detail but when i processed his they were near equal quality due to the fast lens and large dof. i wish i had taken my xz1 instead of my em12 .
Don
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Funny that, I went shooting wildlife with a buddy who used his phone for the occasion, while I used my camera gear. His were all rubbish, while my BIF's and stationary birds were stunning. Real head scratcher that one.....he couldn't figure out why his phone couldn't keep up with my 500mm f4
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I don't understand your point.
It is tough for the camera or tough on yourself carrying all those camera?
It is tough for the camera or tough on yourself carrying all those camera?
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But more people take pictures than ever before. Like everyone.
sean000
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When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's it seemed like hardly anyone owned fancy SLR cameras with interchangeable lenses. Most people owned small Kodak 110 film cameras or Polaroid instant cameras. A few people bought the new Disc film cameras when those came out. Even by the 90's it was not unusual to be in a touristy place and see far more disposal film cameras than SLR film cameras.
My brother had a Nikon 35mm film SLR that I think had belonged to my dad. It rarely got used because I don't think anyone knew how to use it very well. We all just plucked another roll of 110 into the Kodak (I think I also had a Minolta 110 camera).
It seems like the digital photography revolution created a huge wave of photography enthusiasts. Now we have entered a more mature digital photography era of better quality photos even in a small consumer package many of us already own: Most people just use their smartphone...because their smartphone is good enough and, if they are of a certain age, miles better than the 110 film camera they used to own. Even that 110 camera was "good enough" for them.
I would say that I see way more high end interchangeable lens cameras in use today than I ever remember seeing in the 70's, 80's, or 90's. Pre-2000's any high end film camera I saw was usually in the hands of a professional photographer or an art student. So my guess is that the likes of Nikon and Canon aren't doing as well as they were 10 years ago, but they are still doing way better than they were 20 years ago... especially for as long as they can continue to convince amateur enthusiasts and professionals that there is a benefit to upgrading cameras every few years.
My brother had a Nikon 35mm film SLR that I think had belonged to my dad. It rarely got used because I don't think anyone knew how to use it very well. We all just plucked another roll of 110 into the Kodak (I think I also had a Minolta 110 camera).
It seems like the digital photography revolution created a huge wave of photography enthusiasts. Now we have entered a more mature digital photography era of better quality photos even in a small consumer package many of us already own: Most people just use their smartphone...because their smartphone is good enough and, if they are of a certain age, miles better than the 110 film camera they used to own. Even that 110 camera was "good enough" for them.
I would say that I see way more high end interchangeable lens cameras in use today than I ever remember seeing in the 70's, 80's, or 90's. Pre-2000's any high end film camera I saw was usually in the hands of a professional photographer or an art student. So my guess is that the likes of Nikon and Canon aren't doing as well as they were 10 years ago, but they are still doing way better than they were 20 years ago... especially for as long as they can continue to convince amateur enthusiasts and professionals that there is a benefit to upgrading cameras every few years.
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mamallama
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Correction....they shoot their kids badly...
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