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When will we get intelligent Fujis?
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I’d add simply the casual snapper who has no aspirations to becoming a “photographer” and isn’t all about selfies or instagram but simply wants to keep a record. Plenty of people want to have nice pictures of their children/family/life in general without either trying to be the next David Bailey or being a —— on social media about it. Nothing wrong with that.
holashobby
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A lot of what is being asked here is already been added to entry level cameras, for example, the Fuji XF10 has scene recognition and Portrait Enhancers modes. Entry level canons I understand also eschew some complexity to provide aids to enable non-technical users get the best results out of their cameras.
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I purposely added a X100F to my gear to shock my grey matter. My high end gear did everything, yes the options (functions) were available but too easy to bypass. I enjoy trying the many choices to alter an image and think it makes me a better photographer. It has become so easy to point and click (yes, needed in many cases) but like fast food, everything easy may have consequences. I'd probably burn more calories carrying my FF gear & lenses, but I love this little X100F, Thank You Fuji !
biza43
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Mostly amateurs. Some pros may still use Instagram, even though others have changed platforms. Can be useful for marketing your work.
Amateur.
Amateur.
biza43
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Those would be amateurs too.
DarnGoodPhotos
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While there is a a lot of behind-the-scenes artifact correction on the Pixel in the end HDR+ requires very fast sensor readout. That's a lot easier to get on a small sensor. Beyond that, Fuji is going to have to invest seriously in the software-side of cameras and start prioritizing giving people photoshopped images instead of images which are faithful reproductions of the scene.
Now here is something to think about. All of this software trickery reduces the ultimate sharpness of the image and how much do people complain about a lack of edge-to-edge sharpness with lenses and cameras. By and large people on this site want fantastically sharp images. Would you spend a grand on a camera whose big feature reduces the sharpness of photos. Thing about how people treat lenses which use software to correct distortion.
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Now here is something to think about. All of this software trickery reduces the ultimate sharpness of the image and how much do people complain about a lack of edge-to-edge sharpness with lenses and cameras. By and large people on this site want fantastically sharp images. Would you spend a grand on a camera whose big feature reduces the sharpness of photos. Thing about how people treat lenses which use software to correct distortion.
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Good point. Some brands have much better shadow lighting/DR compensation. Pany and Sony do. Fuji doesn't. And to get to your point: a lot of those Japanese companies have really conservative managers... :-(
Cameras are designed to capture images, not process them. Fuji do offer a very nice set of tools to get your JPEGs looking the way you want, but that's not what the camera is primarily intended to do. Fundamentally, it's about capturing as much information as possible on the sensor.
For many years before smartphones, photographers could merge images and use special tools in Photoshop and similar programs to get to a better result.
Since smartphones are small computers, they can now do this processing themselves. And because they're aimed at consumers without a deep knowledge of image processing, this processing has been automated to make it easier to get good results.
What you are seeing is the difference between a shot straight out of camera, and a shot that has been thoroughly post-processed, in a competent but unoriginal way.
Could cameras offer this functionality? I doubt it, for supply and demand reasons.
In relation to demand, we may reach the stage - for those who don't need zoom we're probably already there - where people buying cameras in future will be people who want to make creative decisions about the images they take, and aren't satisfied with automatic processing. Those people won't care much for automatic tools.
In relation to supply, camera manufacturers can't hope to keep up with smartphones. The processing power isn't there, the expertise isn't there, the hardware has different and unique requirements.
However, there's no reason these sorts of features couldn't be added to the Fuji app, if they developed it further. You could take a stack of images, send them to your smartphone, and use its processing power to create an HDR scene, or panorama, or create one lower noise image. It wouldn't need to work as well as the algorithms for smartphones, as the data the app would be working with would be so much better. Also, it becomes faster and faster to get data off the sensor, you can work with even more images.
For many years before smartphones, photographers could merge images and use special tools in Photoshop and similar programs to get to a better result.
Since smartphones are small computers, they can now do this processing themselves. And because they're aimed at consumers without a deep knowledge of image processing, this processing has been automated to make it easier to get good results.
What you are seeing is the difference between a shot straight out of camera, and a shot that has been thoroughly post-processed, in a competent but unoriginal way.
Could cameras offer this functionality? I doubt it, for supply and demand reasons.
In relation to demand, we may reach the stage - for those who don't need zoom we're probably already there - where people buying cameras in future will be people who want to make creative decisions about the images they take, and aren't satisfied with automatic processing. Those people won't care much for automatic tools.
In relation to supply, camera manufacturers can't hope to keep up with smartphones. The processing power isn't there, the expertise isn't there, the hardware has different and unique requirements.
However, there's no reason these sorts of features couldn't be added to the Fuji app, if they developed it further. You could take a stack of images, send them to your smartphone, and use its processing power to create an HDR scene, or panorama, or create one lower noise image. It wouldn't need to work as well as the algorithms for smartphones, as the data the app would be working with would be so much better. Also, it becomes faster and faster to get data off the sensor, you can work with even more images.
KariP
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If I remember right my old small Canon GX1 had that kind of HDR system several years ago - also for night photography to reduce noise. 6D had it just like 5DMkIV ....
Fujifilm has a different approach. DR+JPEG adjustments - a good system
Anyway, I like to control the results and shoot RAW ...
lewiedude2
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I like the direction the above is presenting and think it would be an fantastic investment by Fuji. Does any manufacturer’s proprietary app perform anything like the ideas above? Can the phones handle stitching 5 or 7 images of 10-12mb each for a panorama? The incamera focus stacking is done incamera, right? (I have to admit I have never done one)...so why couldn’t they do something akin to that in the app as an optional PP technique??
Joachim Gerstl
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The Future of Photography:
http://www.littlebigtravelingcamera.com/?p=13720
I think it is the most obvious next step for camera makers.
http://www.littlebigtravelingcamera.com/?p=13720
I think it is the most obvious next step for camera makers.
biza43
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Many computer software already does all of these. I prefer to do it in front of a large screen, rather than a small smartphone screen.
Foxjet
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Nice blog entry, I think you have nailed it.
You mentioned improving connectivity as well. For me, that should be the next and arguably most useful next step. It's a disaster and it's been achievable for a lot longer than "smartness". So there is no excuse for it.
Kevin Barrett
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Through presentations and interviews, I have learned that FUJIFILM is keenly aware of the phenomena of computational photography. It's a thing and it has it's benefits.
I am not sure as to where they are in development and the incorporation of such tech? But it wouldn't surprise me if they go the direction of keeping their camera 'photographer-centric' and utilize the tech to further enhance the analog experience.
Does that make sense?
FUJIFILM is as much about the process of taking photos as it is in the end product. It's all about the UX!
I am not sure as to where they are in development and the incorporation of such tech? But it wouldn't surprise me if they go the direction of keeping their camera 'photographer-centric' and utilize the tech to further enhance the analog experience.
Does that make sense?
FUJIFILM is as much about the process of taking photos as it is in the end product. It's all about the UX!
MikePennPhoto
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Hopefully never and people actually learn photography instead of wanting the device to do all the work for them.
Adapt or face extinction is what I would comment
goodbokeh
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This link is right on the mark, I've enjoyed photography for decades and I worry for the Japan camera companies futures. I don't like that my wife's iPhone Xs regularly shows me up with better dynamic range compared to the mirrorless camera that I using that day.
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Welcome to the brave new world of nearly instantaneous 3x image HDR.
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