Which 10 Stop ND Filter

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I’ve decided to give long exposure photography a go, but am finding it hard to choose which 10 Stop filter to go for.

I’d originally been leaning towards the B+W, but most reviews say this has a strong red colour cast (albeit I suspect this could be corrected in post).

The Hoya has very little colour cast, but there seems to be an issue with sharpness (at least with some set ups).

Breakthrough seem to be well regarded by most, but there are still some bad reviews out there. They also don’t seem to be easily available in the UK and are quite a bit more expensive.

Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on which filter to get? I guess I’m not looking to spend £100s as it may not see a lot of use if I don’t get into taking long exposure photos. Conversely, I don’t want to cheap out and be disappointed by the results. (The perennial catch 22).
 
A few years back I tested a few brands -Heliopan, B+W, Tiffen Pro, and Breakthrough.photography -

i ended up with the Breakthrough.Photography version because of it was easily the most neutral. None of them had an effect on sharpness.

I was predisposed against the Breakthrough.photography line because of a couple of online exchanges I had with the company’s owner but the proof was there to see in my tests.

i tested with Canon and Nikon cameras in middle of the day sunlight.
 
I am a strong believer in flexibility in photo gear so that I can take advantage of different situations.

I bought a 9-stop ND filter and found it to be too dark for many uses. I then bought a 6-stop ND filter and found it to be much more useful for many things.

After buying the two filters I realized that the best solution would have been to buy a 3-stop and a 6-stop filter.

The 3-stop, and even the 6-stop filters, can be used when you want only a little smoothing of motion. They are also good for outdoor portraiture where you combine ambient light with flash or when you want a shallow depth of field since they let you open the aperture and/or keep the shutter speed below the sync speed.

Stack the two filters and you get a 9-stop filter.

An additional advantage is that the color casts of 3-stop and 6-stop filters is usually very small, and frequently can be ignored.

Even if you have a filter with a color cast shooting a WB card will let you correct the color cast.

If you can't shoot the WB card in the same light as the subject there are multiple ways to correct for a color cast.

Color Cast - Jimmy McIntyre - 500px ISO » Beautiful Photography, Incredible Stories » 5 Ways to Color Correct Beautifully in Photoshop and Remove Any Color Cast

Color Cast - Remove color cast automatically in Photoshop - YouTube

Color Cast - Tim Grey - How to Remove a Strong Color Cast from an Image in Photoshop - LensVid.comLensVid.com

If you use a ND filter be sure you use Manual Focus and do your best not to change the focus when putting the filter on the lens.

If you crank the ISO up high enough you can use Live view for composition. The image will look terrible with lots of noise but remember you will reduce the ISO back down to the desired value for the exposure, which should let you capture a good looking low noise image.

B+H filters were the only high quality ND filters available here in Thailand when I bought my ND filters, and the high import duty made them extremely expensive. After checking reviews I bought HAIDA Slim Pro II MC filters via eBay. The 9-stop filter has an easily correctable color cast, the 6-stop filter has such a small color cast I simply ignore it.

I also tested to see how accurate the ND values were and found out that the 6-stop filter was actually a 6.7-stop filter and the 9-stop filter was actually a 9.8-stop filter.

Haida Slim Pro II MC ND6 and ND 10 Filters - DPReview: Sailorblue Test Results

I am very happy with the HAIDA filters even with the color tints and ND value inaccuracy and will likely add a 3-stop one in the future.

With any ND filter you buy I suggest you check for the color tint and ND value accuracy.

Using a DIY white card or a good quality WB card makes these tests easy. Here is a low cost DIY white card you can use for exposure control or as a WB card.

Sailorblue - Using a DIY Plastic White Card for WB

For determining the ND value of the use the white card. Without the filter find the exposure where the camera's Histogram is almost but not quite butted up against the right edge of the graph. Add the filter and increase the shutter speed by the ND value minus 1 stop. Take a shot at that shutter speed then more with 1/3 stop increases in the shutter speed until you get the Histogram to match the original Histogram as close as possible. The difference in stops between the non-filtered and filtered exposures gives you the true ND value for the filter.

Next take a shot of the card using the camera's meter to set the exposure - the image will show a mid-gray card. Add the filter and increase the shutter speed by the true ND value and take another shot. Set the WB in post with the first shot and find out what the Temp and Tint are for the ND shot.
 
I’ve decided to give long exposure photography a go, but am finding it hard to choose which 10 Stop filter to go for.

I’d originally been leaning towards the B+W, but most reviews say this has a strong red colour cast (albeit I suspect this could be corrected in post).

The Hoya has very little colour cast, but there seems to be an issue with sharpness (at least with some set ups).

Breakthrough seem to be well regarded by most, but there are still some bad reviews out there. They also don’t seem to be easily available in the UK and are quite a bit more expensive.

Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on which filter to get? I guess I’m not looking to spend £100s as it may not see a lot of use if I don’t get into taking long exposure photos. Conversely, I don’t want to cheap out and be disappointed by the results. (The perennial catch 22).
 
I have yet to see a bad review on Breakthrough filters.

They have a great return policy, 300 days, and 25 year guarantee. And soon, hopefully they are coming out with a revamped magnetic filter system.
 
I’ve decided to give long exposure photography a go, but am finding it hard to choose which 10 Stop filter to go for.

I’d originally been leaning towards the B+W, but most reviews say this has a strong red colour cast (albeit I suspect this could be corrected in post).

The Hoya has very little colour cast, but there seems to be an issue with sharpness (at least with some set ups).

Breakthrough seem to be well regarded by most, but there are still some bad reviews out there. They also don’t seem to be easily available in the UK and are quite a bit more expensive.

Does anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on which filter to get? I guess I’m not looking to spend £100s as it may not see a lot of use if I don’t get into taking long exposure photos. Conversely, I don’t want to cheap out and be disappointed by the results. (The perennial catch 22).
I’ve been using the Hoya ProND 10 stop and 6 stop and can confirm they have very little colour cast, certainly nothing that can’t be sorted with normal WB adjustments in a few seconds as I would do on any other photo. I’ve also not experienced any issue with sharpness or lack of. I would advise buying from reputable sources as Hoya do get counterfeited. In my experience, in the UK they are half the price of Breakthrough and less hassle to get hold of.

I’ve also found that after doing the ‘10 stop thing’, I’ve found that 6 stop is often more subtle and pleasing. But both have their uses.
 
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Thoroughly recommend the Hitech Firecrest range - they are available in 85mm (cokin P) or 100mm sizes https://www.formatt-hitech.com/filters?category=Firecrest+85mm

I have both the 10 stop and 16 stop ND filters and they have no colour cast that I can decern at all.

Of the two, if your aiming for long exosures such as the one below, then the 16 stop filter is by far the more useful (if it's too dark then you can always increase the ISO to compensate)



Brighton Pier (ignore the exif data above - it was actually 4.3 minutes @f8 iso 400)
Brighton Pier (ignore the exif data above - it was actually 4.3 minutes @f8 iso 400)



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Hello,

finally I was able to play a bit with my K&F variable ND filter making direct comparison to my Dorr 10 stops fixed nd filter and I noticed that on the 10 stops the vignetting is noticeably strong actually.
 
Another vote for Breakthrough. Really high quality, and terrific, responsive support.
 
Thanks for all the info guys. Lots to consider. I’m currently leaning towards the Breakthrough ones if I can find them at a good price.
 
Thanks for all the info guys. Lots to consider. I’m currently leaning towards the Breakthrough ones if I can find them at a good price.
If you can wait, they SHOULD be releasing their new revamped magnetic filters soon. They did say midsummer, which is right about now. But I did the chat with someone a couple of weeks ago and asked when they were coming out with them and I didn't get a solid answer.
 

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