First Full Frame Mirroless Camera

[rainydiary]

Hi all

If you would like to have first full frame mirroless camera and choose between A7 III, Z6 and EOS RP.

Which ones you would choosed ?

Thank

 

[robbo2]

What is your budget? What kind of camera gear have you been using? What do you want to take pictures of?

 

[rainydiary]

What is your budget ? What kind of camera gear have you been using ? What do you want to take pictures of ?

Budget around $ 2000. I don't have other camera gear. Would take potrait and lanscape picture.

I was consider A7 III with 28-70 lens kit.

 

[robbo2]

Check the buyers’ guides on this site: best cameras under or over $2,000. I would go with the Sony. It has gotten rave reviews almost everywhere. That with the lens you mentioned runs about $2.200 before tax on the Amazon site.

 

[timbazi]

RP definitely for me.

 

[dmanthree]

Hi all

If you would like to have first full frame mirroless camera and choose between A7 III, Z6 and EOS RP.

Which ones you would choosed ?

Thank

If ease of use is important, the Canon.

 

[sportyaccordy]

What is your budget ? What kind of camera gear have you been using ? What do you want to take pictures of ?

Budget around $ 2000. I don't have other camera gear. Would take potrait and lanscape picture.

I was consider A7 III with 28-70 lens kit.

$2000 is tough. I would not bother with the 28-70, even on the A7III. Glass matters. I'd look at the A7II with the Tamron 28-75. If you can live with the low base ISO DR, the RP + 24-105 is not bad either.

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[tkbslc]

What is your budget ? What kind of camera gear have you been using ? What do you want to take pictures of ?

Budget around $ 2000. I don't have other camera gear. Would take potrait and lanscape picture.

Not enough money for a good FF kit. I'd consider APS-C with better lenses.

 

[golfhov]

What is your budget ? What kind of camera gear have you been using ? What do you want to take pictures of ?

Budget around $ 2000. I don't have other camera gear. Would take potrait and lanscape picture.

I was consider A7 III with 28-70 lens kit.

Well of the three you chosen the a7iii leads in most objective categories. Subjective you will have to make your own evaluations.

Can you get the z6 with a lens for $2200?

The RP would leave you $900 for lenses which is nice. You would get further with more glass than with a better body BUT are you going to have more money in the future? Same as the RP is in this mix I would throw the a7ii as a choice here. It is only $900 and has some of the same weaknesses BUT you get a glass budget. You also know the a7iii is there for you later if you decide to upgrade. In a year or two it should be less expensive

The 28-70 is just an "ok" lens. It holds back an otherwise excellent camera somewhat. Just like ANY of this equipment it may be good enough.

If you have very little experience you are buying a LOT of camera with any of these. ANY of them could fall under "good enough" depending on your priorities. The RP and a7ii have similar enough sensors for a newbie. They both have slower af systems. The biggest performance differentiator s that come to mind is that the RP focuses better at at low light and the a7ii has IBIS. Controls wise it is a mixed bag because the a7ii has more direct controls BUT the RP has a touchscreen

Oh well.......looking to hearing more from you on why you want FF and where you expect to go

 

[tbcass]

Hi all

If you would like to have first full frame mirroless camera and choose between A7 III, Z6 and EOS RP.

Which ones you would choosed ?

Thank

A7iii but I'm not in the market for any of them.

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Tom

 

[bobn2]

Hi all

If you would like to have first full frame mirroless camera and choose between A7 III, Z6 and EOS RP.

Which ones you would choosed ?

Thank

I think it's not wise to make your choice on the basis of what others would choose. All three are very capable cameras in their different ways. The A7III is an excellent camera in most ways, but you see quite a few comments here from people who just don't get on with it. The Z6 is also a capable camera, but reflect the fact Nikon is new to this type of camera, whilst Sony are old hands. Nikon is steadily knocking off the rough edges with firmware upgrades, so it can be expected to improve. And there's a post here from Rishi Sanyal saying that amongst the DPR staff, the Nikon Z range is the nicest camera they have to operate. That's them, might not be you. Finally, the Canon RP gives a huge amount of bang for the buck and access to Canon's huge system. All of the cameras can claim that they are the 'best' at something or other, though obviously the something or other varies.

All of these cameras is more than good enough for anyone's first FF mirrorless. The questions revolve more about personal preference, which you can really only find out by deciding what are your own priorities and also by trying them yourself. Other people's opinions don't help you know if it suits you. The system as a whole, which you are buying into, is also important. In terms of Native mirrorless systems, Sony is the winner, because they have a head start, whilst Nikon and Canon are catching up, but both Nikon and Canon have access to huge DSLR systems with their own adapters. The Sony adapts to Canon well with third party adapters, but you might not trust those as much as native ones.

As to which I will choose, the answer would be the Z6, but that's mainly because I already have a Nikon system and am acclimatised to how Nikons work.

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263, look deader.

 

[bobn2]

Hi all

If you would like to have first full frame mirroless camera and choose between A7 III, Z6 and EOS RP.

Which ones you would choosed ?

Thank

If ease of use is important, the Canon.

Looks that way if you're used to Canon. If not, it might look different.

 

[tbcass]

Hi all

If you would like to have first full frame mirroless camera and choose between A7 III, Z6 and EOS RP.

Which ones you would choosed ?

Thank

If ease of use is important, the Canon.

Ease of use is highly subjective.

 

[dmanthree]

If ease of use is important, the Canon.

Looks that way if you're used to Canon. If not, it might look different.

Of the three, the Canon is the one designed for ease of use. It's a true entry-level FF cam. Reviews seem to support this, as well.

 

[dmanthree]

If ease of use is important, the Canon.

Ease of use is highly subjective.

Yes, it is, and my opinion is based on my experience with all three.

 

[D Cox]

If ease of use is important, the Canon.

Looks that way if you're used to Canon. If not, it might look different.

Of the three, the Canon is the one designed for ease of use. It's a true entry-level FF cam. Reviews seem to support this, as well.

I don't think ease of use is all that significant. All these cameras are perfectly usable.

Maybe it might take you three days more to get comfortable with one camera than with another. Whatever camera you get, you have to study the manual and experiment.

 

[golfhov]

A disposable 35 mm and Instax are "easy" to use. It doesn't make them better

 

[bobn2]

If ease of use is important, the Canon.

Looks that way if you're used to Canon. If not, it might look different.

Of the three, the Canon is the one designed for ease of use.

Is there anything substantive to back up that statement? Surely, they omitted some of the 'original' UI features on the R that didn't seem to work out great, but I'm sure that the designers at Nikon and Sony also had ease of use in mind when they designed their cameras. Whether they hit the mark is a different matter.

Lets compare controls.

Top:

Nikon - 2 wheels, mode dial (8 pos), 3 buttons, shutter release on-off switch. Status LCD

Canon - 2 wheels, mode dial (12 pos), 2 buttons, 2 wheels (one with lock switch), on-off switch. No LCD.

Back:

Nikon - 10 buttons, multi-controller, joystick.

Canon - 8 buttons, multi-controller.

So, looks like the Nikon has the extra complexity of an LCD display, 3 buttons and a joystick whilst the Canon has the extra complexity of four more mode options, and an unnecessary lock on the rear wheel (it's not needed with a wheel there like it was when the wheel was flat on the back, but it's gone into Canon culture), I'd argue that the feedback LCD and the joystick actually make it easier to use, because you can see your settings at a glance, and you don't have to fiddle with the multi-controller doing joystick stuff (ironically, and advantage Canon DSLRs have had over most Nikons) and I'm guessing that the three extra buttons don't make things to complex either. They are actually dedicated display buttons, whilst the Canon relies on the touch screen for those functions.

It's a true entry-level FF cam. Reviews seem to support this, as well.

Entry level and easy to use are not the same thing. The Sony A7III and Z have around the same number of controls, menus organisation is a matter of preferences. I've used both Canon and Nikon and both have their logic, once you understand it.

 

[tbcass]

If ease of use is important, the Canon.

Ease of use is highly subjective.

Yes, it is, and my opinion is based on my experience with all three.

Then I'll throw my 2 cents in. I own Sony and have used a Canon 60D. I find the Sony's easier to use than the Canon.

 

[T3]

Hi all

If you would like to have first full frame mirroless camera and choose between A7 III, Z6 and EOS RP.

Which ones you would choosed ?

Thank

A7III is the top dog right now. Best face and eye AF, IBIS, high frame rate, best battery life, largest lens selection, best 3rd party lens support. But I ended up getting the A7II because it's only $898 now. I figure I'd rather spend my money on lenses, then move up to an A7III later. It just depends on how you want to spend your money.

Most people seem to be choosing the A7III, and for good reason.

https://petapixel.com/2019/05/03/the-sony-a7-iii-is-outselling-canon-and-nikon-combined-in-japan/


If you get the A7II or A7III, I recommend getting an add-on base plate that also doubles as an Arca tripod quick release plate for a tripod head. It gives your pinky finger a more comfortable place to rest. Definitely worth the $15 I spent on it! I also got a silicone body case for my A7II.