Thom Hogan about E-M1X

I think Olympus is going in the wrong direction.
I would agree if this was their ONLY direction. But the jury is still out on this one. We still haven't seen any updates for Olympus' mid range products. And it has been quite some time since Olympus produced a new mid range lens.

If Olympus goes forward offering nothing but big, heavy, and expensive cameras with relatively small sensors.... then I would agree that direction would be a mistake.
Go big, with big bodies and big lenses and you have no advantage against FF. Go small where nothing much exists apart from Panasonic and it is possible to play on the logistical and phycological advantages over FF.

It is a fool’s errand trying to compete on image quality against FF cameras.
If size weight and price are the same, then why would anyone prefer the much smaller sensor? If this product is aimed at pros, aren't they the group that wants the best in every category... and not just in "latest computational tech?"
No, Marty, not really. It's the well-heeled amateurs and wannaby-pros who rush out to buy the latest and the fanciest features. Just take a good look at the US Nikon D5 or the Canon 1D, both priced at well over twice the EM1X.

Pro's need reliable, durable cameras that can be manhandled, provide some room for error and work in a reliable and predictable way. That's what the general durability and "handability", larger control surfaces, customizable menu systems and very fast finder refresh clearly aimed at.
Incidentally, every single computational trick will eventually be used on cameras with full frame sensors. So perhaps Olympus only has a temporary advantage in that area. Those full frame cameras can ALSO have dual quad processors, huge buffers, blazing fast frame rates, and built in ND filters... plus a sensor four times larger.
Plus lenses that also tend to be much larger, and, especially, have a smaller zoom range.
And while that hand held high resolution mode is nice, lets remember that EVERY single shot taken with a Sony A7R III is "high resolution." And without any stacking, pixel shifting or other processor effort.

Olympus has essentially decided to enter the Daytona 500 with a car just as big and as heavy and as expensive as all the other cars in the race. But the Olympus car only has 2 cylinders. But it has better brakes, better seats, and a nicer suspension. None of which will help them win the race.
At a certain point the larger-sensor argument gat a bit silly. Especially when many more images are taken with cell-phones rather than cameras, sometimes even by "serious photographers. Just look at how well Honda did with their supercharged small engines!
I love my M43 kit because it is portable, I can carry a bagful of lenses and a couple of bodies all day.

Also I found on a trip to Bologna the other day in a place where cameras are not always welcome, nobody takes much notice of you with a little EM5. If I got my D810 out I might have had some problems.

I will be interested to see the reaction here to your post, as you have up to now been a champion of M43.
It actually is funny... in a very ironic way. For ten full years the M4/3 faithful have willingly accepted the smaller sensor disadvantage in exchange for compact size and less weight for their bodies and lenses. But today, many of them are willing to accept a small sensor WITH a huge, heavy and expensive body.
Big, yes. Huge? Just put one, even with the 12-100 lens beside a Nikon D5 or Canon 1D, with their standard, much smaller range zooms. Now you will see huge. Pick them up. now you will experience "heavy".
It is like they pivoted and now have total amnesia about those advantages. In fact, some even deny that smaller size and weight ever was an advantage!
Most user reports and reviews that I've seen simply state that it balances better with large lenses, and that the larger size is well-used for better spaced out, textured controls.
Don't get me wrong. Some people will actually want and need an EM1X. The EM1X really is one heck of a camera. But those people are in a very small group.
Possibly. Luckily most don't live where it's minus 20C much of a six month long winter. Tends to make a double-handgrip camera with "glovable" controls somewhat attractive, even if it weighs three-quarters of a pound more.
The vast majority of M4/3 won't want this product. They are still patiently waiting for mid range upgrades that may never come.
As I am, for most other shooting.
 
It actually is funny... in a very ironic way. For ten full years the M4/3 faithful have willingly accepted the smaller sensor disadvantage in exchange for compact size and less weight for their bodies and lenses. But today, many of them are willing to accept a small sensor WITH a huge, heavy and expensive body. It is like they pivoted and now have total amnesia about those advantages. In fact, some even deny that smaller size and weight ever was an advantage!
This, a million times this.

I still harbor hope that Olympus will unveil a stunning new technologically advanced small camera--no larger than the present E-M5--but I'm not going to hold my breath. Their actions in the past few years show they just don't care about this segment of the market any more.
I think it is more of a matter of trying to find a way forward in an overall market that is starting to disappear. Not easy!
 
Does it really make any sense that one half of the forum is carrying on about how good mobile phone cameras are becoming with “sliver sensors” and the other half seem to be on a worry-wart trip that will not be satisfied with anything short of a huge dslr-type shape or alternatively a FF sensor in a ML body.

If Phone cameras are such a risk marching up on to the 4/3 sensor territory then what is left for M4/3 but to ape the steet cred of dslr bodies. Even sillier because soon enough the dslr shape is going to be looking terribly old fashoned.
 
Thom Hogan doesn't need to touch an EM1X to make a market analysis.

I think we all understand that this is an outstanding camera, with a lot of very exciting new technology in it, and with a very high price. And it is targeting a very specific market niche. This is all a given.

The question Hogan is addressing is whether it makes business sense for Olympus. If it is a halo product, then perhaps it was a brilliant idea, But only if new consumer grade models are rapidly rolled out with some of this new technology in them. But if this doesn't happen soon, then it will not help sell very many rapidly ageing older models,

Due to the high price, this new flagship may be very profitable for Olympus despite a relatively low sales volume. That isn't the issue. The issue is whether Olympus can emerge from their hiatus as a credible competitor in the market, rather than simply becoming the new Pentax.

Panasonic seems to have a clear strategy going forward. Olympus doesn't. They cannot market this wonder camera alongside ageing midrange cameras and very mundane EPL entry level models.

It is the middle of the lineup that desperately needs attention now.

Olympus would be wise to rapidly roll out a much improved EM5 III and Pen-F II that incorporated some of this new technology. If they don't do this, then the EM1X will still be a great camera for a very specific niche, but it won't do much to help Olympus going forward.
Fully agreed Marty. The E-M1x is not for the everyman photographer and the reation proves it. But it will make money even on small sales volumes. Olympus needs a couple of everyman cameras quick smart to feed on the halo (if any) that the E-M1x creates.

But “two more” camera bodies and not one teaser or rumour to be seen ... That is the real present issue that might divert some of this angst into a rave show.

In due course we might see some impossibly good images from the E-M1x but whilst they might be interesting I doubt if they will make this camera body sell to a wider audience.
 
Hi there.
I think Olympus is going in the wrong direction.
I would agree if this was their ONLY direction. But the jury is still out on this one. We still haven't seen any updates for Olympus' mid range products. And it has been quite some time since Olympus produced a new mid range lens.

If Olympus goes forward offering nothing but big, heavy, and expensive cameras with relatively small sensors.... then I would agree that direction would be a mistake.
Agreed on this point - it also seems that the 100th anniversary threw a spanner into their '3 year' upgrade strategy for the M5 and Pen F. Given that rumour mills have stated there are 2 more coming this year I suppose they should be for these 2. We can be pretty sure none of them will be great at CAF tracking.
Go big, with big bodies and big lenses and you have no advantage against FF. Go small where nothing much exists apart from Panasonic and it is possible to play on the logistical and phycological advantages over FF.

It is a fool’s errand trying to compete on image quality against FF cameras.
If size weight and price are the same, then why would anyone prefer the much smaller sensor? If this product is aimed at pros, aren't they the group that wants the best in every category... and not just in "latest computational tech?"

Incidentally, every single computational trick will eventually be used on cameras with full frame sensors. So perhaps Olympus only has a temporary advantage in that area. Those full frame cameras can ALSO have dual quad processors, huge buffers, blazing fast frame rates, and built in ND filters... plus a sensor four times larger.
And those FF cameras will be applauded for the innovation that OLY started...sadly.
And while that hand held high resolution mode is nice, lets remember that EVERY single shot taken with a Sony A7R III is "high resolution." And without any stacking, pixel shifting or other processor effort.

Olympus has essentially decided to enter the Daytona 500 with a car just as big and as heavy and as expensive as all the other cars in the race. But the Olympus car only has 2 cylinders. But it has better breaks, better seats, and a nicer suspension. None of which will help them win the race
My question though is, Must Olympus be comparing themselves to the FF competition? Or are they just focused on showing that a small sensor can achieve FF / MF quality things whilst retaining the portability AND weather sealing for those that require it professionally? Could it be that this is a statement camera saying this is 'how its done' in the 'cropped sensor' world rather than saying 'I can do the same that FF can' - which they honestly can't but likewise FF can't either (on the counter side).
I love my M43 kit because it is portable, I can carry a bagful of lenses and a couple of bodies all day.

Also I found on a trip to Bologna the other day in a place where cameras are not always welcome, nobody takes much notice of you with a little EM5. If I got my D810 out I might have had some problems.

I will be interested to see the reaction here to your post, as you have up to now been a champion of M43.
It actually is funny... in a very ironic way. For ten full years the M4/3 faithful have willingly accepted the smaller sensor disadvantage in exchange for compact size and less weight for their bodies and lenses. But today, many of them are willing to accept a small sensor WITH a huge, heavy and expensive body. It is like they pivoted and now have total amnesia about those advantages. In fact, some even deny that smaller size and weight ever was an advantage!

Don't get me wrong. Some people will actually want and need an EM1X. The EM1X really is one heck of a camera. But those people are in a very small group. The vast majority of M4/3 won't want this product. They are still patiently waiting for mid range upgrades that may never come.
I don't think there are 'many' that willingly accept the heavier size and body. That's why there is so much controversy in the various forums on the internet. Having said that, I'd like to point out that this particular camera feels better in the hand than the GH5 - itself not a very small camera (my experience).
 
Time will tell. Back orders will indicate greater than expected demand. Price drop, lower than expected 😃
shall I bookmark this now then? ;-)
We should do an over/under on when the street price of this thing hits $2K.
The price won't change much. Just like what happened with the E-5 that the price didn't move yet that hardly indicated any success - basically if you are going to sell 10 units the only people that really want that type of unit, you can confidently still sell high.
From what I was offered on the day of the annoucement at their seminar, I suspect 2500USd to be the sweet spot it'll reach eventually.

I was given a solid discount in the form of a 6000HKD coupon for pro lenses off the price of 25990HKD. with an additional 2 year warranty that included a free shutter replacement.

IF Oly does not announce the E-M5 and Pen F replacements then I would feel this was a wrong decision they made for the 100th anniversary.
 
I hope Thom feels better now that he got all this off his chest.

Don’t some car companies do things like this, build extravagant cars crammed with the best technology into an expensive, impractical, concept supercar that they know they will not sell, just to do it. At least that is one of he take aways I got from watching the old bristish Top Gear shows.

I think Olympus is just having fun for their 100th anniversary and doing some crazy marketing for their company. You know how they say, any publicity is good publicity. Well, everyone is talking about Olympus now - including people that never gave them a passing thought. They just need to finish the year with some good camera updates and, if possible, a new sensor. But I suspect there is not much left to squeeze out of the current technolgy until organic sensors, or something else new, changes the game.
Maybe but as far as PR goes, I suspect the EM1x may hurt them more than it helps. The EM1X is billed as the ultimate in m43rds, capable of showing what they can do when less constrained by price. I haven't used it myself but from reading all the hands on I can get my hands on :) , I'm left thinking "if this is the best Olympus can do, do I still want to keep buying Olympus cameras, locking myself further into the format?"

There will be a minority who buy it but I wonder how it compares to those who are turned off by it. Personally, I'm not rushing to switch, and my current gear still works but my next upgrade cycle is more likely to include a Nikon Z6II, used a9II with f/4 lenses then an EM1.3 at this point. Hopefully the EM1.3 will be a grand slam and I won't have to decide.
 
Spectators are not in need to freeze motion for that Sports Illustrated/etc. shot.
Are you sure about that?



I nearly got a picture of a home run swing, but there was a vendor walking past at just the wrong moment.
 

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It actually is funny... in a very ironic way. For ten full years the M4/3 faithful have willingly accepted the smaller sensor disadvantage in exchange for compact size and less weight for their bodies and lenses. But today, many of them are willing to accept a small sensor WITH a huge, heavy and expensive body. It is like they pivoted and now have total amnesia about those advantages. In fact, some even deny that smaller size and weight ever was an advantage!
This, a million times this.

I still harbor hope that Olympus will unveil a stunning new technologically advanced small camera--no larger than the present E-M5--but I'm not going to hold my breath. Their actions in the past few years show they just don't care about this segment of the market any more.
I think it is more of a matter of trying to find a way forward in an overall market that is starting to disappear. Not easy!
Not that hard.

All Oly needs is to cannibalise their top end (because if you don't do it to yourself someone else will and already have tbh) and put the hardware and features in their midrange (20mp, pdaf, proper 4k implementation for starter).

Time's running out now that all the major players are in this mirrorless game. That 4 measly % of market share will dwindle further to the eventual death.
 
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Spectators are not in need to freeze motion for that Sports Illustrated/etc. shot.
Are you sure about that?



I nearly got a picture of a home run swing, but there was a vendor walking past at just the wrong moment.
I think he means that if you're just watching the game, your eyes do not need to be able to be able to freeze action the way you would for a still photo.
 

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