SX70 HS - Scarce PicStyle settings, idea of Sharpness settings combined with amount of NR

[Avian2016]

This post is about the matter related to SX70 HS which was already mentioned recently, but this time I would address it clearer by putting a clear focus on it.

Having had three Lumixes (FZ82, FZ300, and Fz1000 which is still by me) I got a bit spoiled with Panasonic giving me plenty of setting options, including those for PicStyle.


PicStyle settings for the Panasonic FZ300 - Courtesy of Canon Advanced manual for the FZ300

When I first read about the SX70 HS and that it would have a simplified EOS UI, I was enthusiastically expecting that Canon will include some of the regular EOS setting options also for the SX70 HS user interface. Mind you, how I was disappointed to found that only in Standard PicStyle the cam's UI offers sliders for Sharpness, Contrast, Saturation and Color Tone (color of human skin). More I browsed that, to be honest, nicely simple UI, more I got annoyed with additional discovery there is no NR setting slider included.

For the final stroke, when I saw this, sorry to say, inadequate info/instructions on PicStyle (Style Settings), I shaked my head in awe.


PicStyle Settings (Style Settings) for the SX70 HS - Courtesy of the Canon SX70 HS User guide

Anyway, I started to shoot. As you could have seen after the initial only so-so images we gradually came to much better output, both on in-camera Jpegs and Raw sourced Jpegs.

Those shots of Herring gull at full optical zoom 1365mm (35mm equiv.) were definitely decent enough, and some of you even admitted that you would accept the in-camera Jpegs. Cool.

Then I have read that list of Sharpness increments with built in NR that our forum collegue Jshen808 presented:


Sharpness setting increments - Screenshot/Excerpt from the recent thread, author Jshen808

and not long after that I discovered one post, also on DPR forum:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3503100

which brings me again to the Jshen808 list and the same question posed in 2014:

"Does the sharpness setting(s) really control also the amount of NR in the SX70 HS?"

By using the appropriate algorithm this would be possible, especially when having in mind that latest imaging processor (Digic 8) employed.

But how come Canon didn't give the SX70 HS users more info and instructions how to use the Sharpness controls and why they restricted the feature options only to the Standard setting? Do they maybe plan to add the features with the next firmware update? (Canon rarely did firmware updates for P&S cams).

Any relevant insights would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Avian
http://thetzarnaturephotography.mozello.com/

 

[Steen Bay]

If sharpening and NR somehow are connected on SX70, then I find it more likely that more sharpening = more NR. More sharpening makes both noise and detail more visible, so more NR is needed to keep the noise down.

Could be interesting to see a comparison between images shot with lowest in-camera sharpening (0) and with default sharpening (4). Not impossible that the image with lowest sharpening would have more low contrast detail (more visible if sharpened a bit afterwards), without (or at least with less of) the 'smearing' that some people see and others don't.

A comparison between Standard style with default settings and Neutral style could maybe also be interesting. Not possible to adjust sharpening, etc. in Neutral style, but maybe it has a less 'aggressive' processing than Standard.

 

[Back2M]

No, sharpness in itself does not equal noise reduction.

However comma, sharpness and noise reduction go hand in hand. The higher the noise reduction, the higher the sharpness. Increase your sharpness, your noise can get more gritty/pronounced. Think the algothrims employed for NR and sharpness impact each other in the same way mixing certain medicines impact each other.

I've noted, in the manual, there is no noise reduction settings for the SX70 so Canon may have linked them to your point for this model, I don't know. I doubt anyone from Canon support or anyone on the forum can answer this question without some testing, which:

Shoot RAW, adjust your sharpness and compare the two (or more samples with varying sharpness) in Canon's DPP4 (free download) and go to the noise reduction tab and check the chroma and luma noise reductions levels on the RAWs and see if they're moving when you move your sharpness defaults. That'll answer your question if you shoot with same scene/exposure and just change the sharpness between samples and check the samples. If you find say the one with a sharpness of 4 is say 10 on the chroma and 15 on the luma, but the one with say sharpness of 6 is 5 on the chroma, 10 on the luma (or whatever they are), than that's your answer. I have no idea what you'll find, I'm just using those as an example as to what you're looking for. If you say find the noise reduction isn't moving with the sharpness, that's your answer too (which is they're still linked in impact, but, not equal, that is noise reduction does not equal sharpness and vice-versa).

I find the noise reduction levels Canon uses by default, or even reduced (if available, which appears it's not for your model), are aggressive across the board regardless of camera model and for best detail retention results it's necessary to fine tune your NR by hand on RAWs.

Hope that helps.

 

[Avian2016]

If sharpening and NR somehow are connected on SX70, then I find it more likely that more sharpening = more NR. More sharpening makes both noise and detail more visible, so more NR is needed to keep the noise down.

Could be interesting to see a comparison between images shot with lowest in-camera sharpening (0) and with default sharpening (4). Not impossible that the image with lowest sharpening would have more low contrast detail (more visible if sharpened a bit afterwards), without (or at least with less of) the 'smearing' that some people see and others don't.

Good suggestion.

A comparison between Standard style with default settings and Neutral style could maybe also be interesting. Not possible to adjust sharpening, etc. in Neutral style, but maybe it has a less 'aggressive' processing than Standard.

Yes, some people (irrespective of the camera) do use Neutral style to get the least processed in-camera Jpeg.

 

[ANAYV]

This post is about the matter related to SX70 HS which was already mentioned recently, but this time I would address it clearer by putting a clear focus on it.

Having had three Lumixes (FZ82, FZ300, and Fz1000 which is still by me) I got a bit spoiled with Panasonic giving me plenty of setting options, including those for PicStyle.

They do offer a lot of adjustments and control of the jpeg output.

PicStyle settings for the Panasonic FZ300 - Courtesy of Canon Advanced manual for the FZ300

When I first read about the SX70 HS and that it would have a simplified EOS UI, I was enthusiastically expecting that Canon will include some of the regular EOS setting options also for the SX70 HS user interface. Mind you, how I was disappointed to found that only in Standard PicStyle the cam's UI offers sliders for Sharpness, Contrast, Saturation and Color Tone (color of human skin).

I too, was surprised when I read that.

More I browsed that, to be honest, nicely simple UI, more I got annoyed with additional discovery there is no NR setting slider included.

Another surprise. The older SX50 (perhaps also SX60) had at least 3 levels. Not as much as Panasonic, with plus/minus 5. Nikon also only offer limited adjustments

For the final stroke, when I saw this, sorry to say, inadequate info/instructions on PicStyle (Style Settings), I shaked my head in awe.


PicStyle Settings (Style Settings) for the SX70 HS - Courtesy of the Canon SX70 HS User guide

Anyway, I started to shoot. As you could have seen after the initial only so-so images we gradually came to much better output, both on in-camera Jpegs and Raw sourced Jpegs.

Yes.

Those shots of Herring gull at full optical zoom 1365mm (35mm equiv.) were definitely decent enough, and some of you even admitted that you would accept the in-camera Jpegs. Cool.

Yep.

Then I have read that list of Sharpness increments with built in NR that our forum collegue Jshen808 presented:


Sharpness setting increments - Screenshot/Excerpt from the recent thread, author Jshen808

and not long after that I discovered one post, also on DPR forum:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3503100

which brings me again to the Jshen808 list and the same question posed in 2014:

"Does the sharpness setting(s) really control also the amount of NR in the SX70 HS?"

By using the appropriate algorithm this would be possible, especially when having in mind that latest imaging processor (Digic 8) employed.

But how come Canon didn't give the SX70 HS users more info and instructions how to use the Sharpness controls and why they restricted the feature options only to the Standard setting?

Perhaps different team worked on the SX70 model..not thinking about the more serious user? But when adding some of these features, the more experienced user would want, they are vague about it. Mmm

Perhaps another team does the manuals..and many times, the translators miss things and hardly any manual from any manufacturer is great, IMHO.

Do they maybe plan to add the features with the next firmware update? (Canon rarely did firmware updates for P&S cams).

Hopefully..but as you mention doubt they will, as not typical of them in these type cameras.

Any relevant insights would be appreciated.

wish I had some...I don't....but thanks for updated info.

This all helps when you (jshen808 and others) give their findings here.

I'm hoping for even slightly better I.Q than my FZ80.

So far, I think this SX70 has less noise...maybe better colors, too...

But also think the FZ80 has ability to produce more detailed images, with jpegs.

The EZ zoom feature has me sticking to jpegs for the FZ80 still (1699mm in a small camera is nice

Perhaps the less aggressive NR (and ability to lower it) allows for more details ..but the lens is also a factor. SX70 should beat the FZ80 in I.Q. IMHO..just have not seen that happen...yet.

Thanks Avian!

Hope your new year is off to a great start.

ANAYV

 

[Avian2016]

No, sharpness in itself does not equal noise reduction.

However comma, sharpness and noise reduction go hand in hand. The higher the noise reduction, the higher the sharpness. Increase your sharpness, your noise can get more gritty/pronounced. Think the algothrims employed for NR and sharpness impact each other in the same way mixing certain medicines impact each other.

I agree.

I've noted, in the manual, there is no noise reduction settings for the SX70 so Canon may have linked them to your point for this model, I don't know. I doubt anyone from Canon support or anyone on the forum can answer this question without some testing, which:

An average person in Canon support isn't likely to know about such specifics. At least in my country. Maybe in other countries are more proficient.

Shoot RAW, adjust your sharpness and compare the two (or more samples with varying sharpness) in Canon's DPP4 (free download) and go to the noise reduction tab and check the chroma and luma noise reductions levels on the RAWs and see if they're moving when you move your sharpness defaults. That'll answer your question if you shoot with same scene/exposure and just change the sharpness between samples and check the samples. If you find say the one with a sharpness of 4 is say 10 on the chroma and 15 on the luma, but the one with say sharpness of 6 is 5 on the chroma, 10 on the luma (or whatever they are), than that's your answer. I have no idea what you'll find, I'm just using those as an example as to what you're looking for. If you say find the noise reduction isn't moving with the sharpness, that's your answer too (which is they're still linked in impact, but, not equal, that is noise reduction does not equal sharpness and vice-versa).

Just out of DPP 4.0. When moving a sharpness default, no moving of the luma or chroma NRs could have been seen.

I find the noise reduction levels Canon uses by default, or even reduced (if available, which appears it's not for your model), are aggressive across the board regardless of camera model and for best detail retention results it's necessary to fine tune your NR by hand on RAWs.

In-camera aggressive sharpening and NR is a common thing these days in many cameras. In my FZ1000 I have set NR to -5, the lowest possible setting.

Hope that helps.

 

[Avian2016]

This post is about the matter related to SX70 HS which was already mentioned recently, but this time I would address it clearer by putting a clear focus on it.

Having had three Lumixes (FZ82, FZ300, and Fz1000 which is still by me) I got a bit spoiled with Panasonic giving me plenty of setting options, including those for PicStyle.

They do offer a lot of adjustments and control of the jpeg output.

PicStyle settings for the Panasonic FZ300 - Courtesy of Canon Advanced manual for the FZ300

When I first read about the SX70 HS and that it would have a simplified EOS UI, I was enthusiastically expecting that Canon will include some of the regular EOS setting options also for the SX70 HS user interface. Mind you, how I was disappointed to found that only in Standard PicStyle the cam's UI offers sliders for Sharpness, Contrast, Saturation and Color Tone (color of human skin).

I too, was surprised when I read that.

More I browsed that, to be honest, nicely simple UI, more I got annoyed with additional discovery there is no NR setting slider included.

Another surprise. The older SX50 (perhaps also SX60) had at least 3 levels. Not as much as Panasonic, with plus/minus 5. Nikon also only offer limited adjustments

For the final stroke, when I saw this, sorry to say, inadequate info/instructions on PicStyle (Style Settings), I shaked my head in awe.


PicStyle Settings (Style Settings) for the SX70 HS - Courtesy of the Canon SX70 HS User guide

Anyway, I started to shoot. As you could have seen after the initial only so-so images we gradually came to much better output, both on in-camera Jpegs and Raw sourced Jpegs.

Yes.

Those shots of Herring gull at full optical zoom 1365mm (35mm equiv.) were definitely decent enough, and some of you even admitted that you would accept the in-camera Jpegs. Cool.

Yep.

Then I have read that list of Sharpness increments with built in NR that our forum collegue Jshen808 presented:


Sharpness setting increments - Screenshot/Excerpt from the recent thread, author Jshen808

and not long after that I discovered one post, also on DPR forum:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3503100

which brings me again to the Jshen808 list and the same question posed in 2014:

"Does the sharpness setting(s) really control also the amount of NR in the SX70 HS?"

By using the appropriate algorithm this would be possible, especially when having in mind that latest imaging processor (Digic 8) employed.

But how come Canon didn't give the SX70 HS users more info and instructions how to use the Sharpness controls and why they restricted the feature options only to the Standard setting?

Perhaps different team worked on the SX70 model..not thinking about the more serious user? But when adding some of these features, the more experienced user would want, they are vague about it. Mmm

Perhaps another team does the manuals..and many times, the translators miss things and hardly any manual from any manufacturer is great, IMHO.

Do they maybe plan to add the features with the next firmware update? (Canon rarely did firmware updates for P&S cams).

Hopefully..but as you mention doubt they will, as not typical of them in these type cameras.

Any relevant insights would be appreciated.

wish I had some...I don't....but thanks for updated info.

This all helps when you (jshen808 and others) give their findings here.

I'm hoping for even slightly better I.Q than my FZ80.

So far, I think this SX70 has less noise...maybe better colors, too...

Yes, certainly less noise.


Average with my FZ82


At the better/best end from my FZ82


More or less average with my SX70 copy

But also think the FZ80 has ability to produce more detailed images, with jpegs.

The EZ zoom feature has me sticking to jpegs for the FZ80 still (1699mm in a small camera is nice

I believe also SX70 at 1365mm Jpeg isn't no slouch.


Herring Gull at 1365mm optical zoom

Perhaps the less aggressive NR (and ability to lower it) allows for more details ..but the lens is also a factor. SX70 should beat the FZ80 in I.Q. IMHO..just have not seen that happen...yet.

I guess the upper image of Gull is coming towards to that point. Especially when considering that notorious specialized, oily, seriously reflecting white feathers of the seabirds.

Thanks Avian!

You're welcome.

Hope your new year is off to a great start.

Yours too ANAYV.

ANAYV

--
Kind regards,
Avian
http://thetzarnaturephotography.mozello.com/

 

[Steen Bay]

No, sharpness in itself does not equal noise reduction.

However comma, sharpness and noise reduction go hand in hand. The higher the noise reduction, the higher the sharpness. Increase your sharpness, your noise can get more gritty/pronounced. Think the algothrims employed for NR and sharpness impact each other in the same way mixing certain medicines impact each other.

I've noted, in the manual, there is no noise reduction settings for the SX70 so Canon may have linked them to your point for this model, I don't know. I doubt anyone from Canon support or anyone on the forum can answer this question without some testing, which:

Shoot RAW, adjust your sharpness and compare the two (or more samples with varying sharpness) in Canon's DPP4 (free download) and go to the noise reduction tab and check the chroma and luma noise reductions levels on the RAWs and see if they're moving when you move your sharpness defaults. That'll answer your question if you shoot with same scene/exposure and just change the sharpness between samples and check the samples. If you find say the one with a sharpness of 4 is say 10 on the chroma and 15 on the luma, but the one with say sharpness of 6 is 5 on the chroma, 10 on the luma (or whatever they are), than that's your answer. I have no idea what you'll find, I'm just using those as an example as to what you're looking for. If you say find the noise reduction isn't moving with the sharpness, that's your answer too (which is they're still linked in impact, but, not equal, that is noise reduction does not equal sharpness and vice-versa).

Good idea, but unfortunately it's not possible to adjust the in-camera sharpness, etc. if shooting RAW + JPEG. Only possible when shooting JPEG only. Could still be that just opening a RAW file and changing the default sharpness setting could give the answer, but seems that it doesn't, according to Avian's reply above.

I find the noise reduction levels Canon uses by default, or even reduced (if available, which appears it's not for your model), are aggressive across the board regardless of camera model and for best detail retention results it's necessary to fine tune your NR by hand on RAWs.

Hope that helps.

 

[John McCormack]

Good info. from all. Unfortunately, none of this information on PicStyles and NR is explained in detail in the SX70 HS .PDF manual.

 

[Avian2016]

Good info. from all. Unfortunately, none of this information on PicStyles and NR is explained in detail in the SX70 HS .PDF manual.

The SX70 HS Manual is lacking lots of info. Maybe too much.

Showing me sort of negligent attitude towards the cam's prospective buyers/owners.

--
Kind regards,
Avian
http://thetzarnaturephotography.mozello.com/

 

[Back2M]

No, sharpness in itself does not equal noise reduction.

However comma, sharpness and noise reduction go hand in hand. The higher the noise reduction, the higher the sharpness. Increase your sharpness, your noise can get more gritty/pronounced. Think the algothrims employed for NR and sharpness impact each other in the same way mixing certain medicines impact each other.

I agree.

I've noted, in the manual, there is no noise reduction settings for the SX70 so Canon may have linked them to your point for this model, I don't know. I doubt anyone from Canon support or anyone on the forum can answer this question without some testing, which:

An average person in Canon support isn't likely to know about such specifics. At least in my country. Maybe in other countries are more proficient.

Shoot RAW, adjust your sharpness and compare the two (or more samples with varying sharpness) in Canon's DPP4 (free download) and go to the noise reduction tab and check the chroma and luma noise reductions levels on the RAWs and see if they're moving when you move your sharpness defaults. That'll answer your question if you shoot with same scene/exposure and just change the sharpness between samples and check the samples. If you find say the one with a sharpness of 4 is say 10 on the chroma and 15 on the luma, but the one with say sharpness of 6 is 5 on the chroma, 10 on the luma (or whatever they are), than that's your answer. I have no idea what you'll find, I'm just using those as an example as to what you're looking for. If you say find the noise reduction isn't moving with the sharpness, that's your answer too (which is they're still linked in impact, but, not equal, that is noise reduction does not equal sharpness and vice-versa).

Just out of DPP 4.0. When moving a sharpness default, no moving of the luma or chroma NRs could have been seen.

I find the noise reduction levels Canon uses by default, or even reduced (if available, which appears it's not for your model), are aggressive across the board regardless of camera model and for best detail retention results it's necessary to fine tune your NR by hand on RAWs.

In-camera aggressive sharpening and NR is a common thing these days in many cameras. In my FZ1000 I have set NR to -5, the lowest possible setting.

Hope that helps.

If indeed no change as you say (which I'd be inclined to agree that's probably what's happening), then in fact what you're observing is the effect sharpening has on noise reduction.

Cheers.

 

[Back2M]

Good info. from all. Unfortunately, none of this information on PicStyles and NR is explained in detail in the SX70 HS .PDF manual.

The SX70 HS Manual is lacking lots of info. Maybe too much.

Showing me sort of negligent attitude towards the cam's prospective buyers/owners.

I've noted the EOS M50's manual (which I own, but looked at the manual while it was in transit) was also lacking. Canon has dumbed down their manuals of late. For what it's worth, it was a much, much easier read and I actually appreciated it.

That said the target audience of say the SX70 and EOS M50 is average joe. I suspect say G series and higher end M models will have the traditional pro orientation you'd find from say a Canon whitepaper on Autofocus for the 1DX system (which is like a 60-70 page read I think, very exhaustive).

 

[Back2M]

No, sharpness in itself does not equal noise reduction.

However comma, sharpness and noise reduction go hand in hand. The higher the noise reduction, the higher the sharpness. Increase your sharpness, your noise can get more gritty/pronounced. Think the algothrims employed for NR and sharpness impact each other in the same way mixing certain medicines impact each other.

I've noted, in the manual, there is no noise reduction settings for the SX70 so Canon may have linked them to your point for this model, I don't know. I doubt anyone from Canon support or anyone on the forum can answer this question without some testing, which:

Shoot RAW, adjust your sharpness and compare the two (or more samples with varying sharpness) in Canon's DPP4 (free download) and go to the noise reduction tab and check the chroma and luma noise reductions levels on the RAWs and see if they're moving when you move your sharpness defaults. That'll answer your question if you shoot with same scene/exposure and just change the sharpness between samples and check the samples. If you find say the one with a sharpness of 4 is say 10 on the chroma and 15 on the luma, but the one with say sharpness of 6 is 5 on the chroma, 10 on the luma (or whatever they are), than that's your answer. I have no idea what you'll find, I'm just using those as an example as to what you're looking for. If you say find the noise reduction isn't moving with the sharpness, that's your answer too (which is they're still linked in impact, but, not equal, that is noise reduction does not equal sharpness and vice-versa).

Good idea, but unfortunately it's not possible to adjust the in-camera sharpness, etc. if shooting RAW + JPEG. Only possible when shooting JPEG only. Could still be that just opening a RAW file and changing the default sharpness setting could give the answer, but seems that it doesn't, according to Avian's reply above.

I find the noise reduction levels Canon uses by default, or even reduced (if available, which appears it's not for your model), are aggressive across the board regardless of camera model and for best detail retention results it's necessary to fine tune your NR by hand on RAWs.

Hope that helps.

Changing in-camera sharpness tags the RAW with those values just like changing the picture style would; and, if Canon is linking the two together (NR and sharpness), you would see the accompanying RAW file being tagged with different NR. It (the RAW file) still tells you what the accompanying JPEG was a resultant of, if that makes sense which the OP has confirmed sharpness is in fact not changing the noise reduction (which was my hypothesis).

Unfortunate though that one cannot change noise reduction defaults for the camera, per the manual anyways, but, the SX70 is a mid-tier point and shoot after all so this isn't that surprising truth told from my point of view.

You can always shoot RAW, and change the NR values. I find even when you can change in-camera NR, even Canon's "low" isn't low enough. Still very aggressive against fine details. This is something Canon could improve on.

 

[Avian2016]

Not sure. As I presume the image processor in SX70 may not function the same way as DPP 4.0 SW.

It would be interesting to read the Jshen808 more detailed clarification/description of his increment list he presented recently.

 

[Steen Bay]

No, sharpness in itself does not equal noise reduction.

However comma, sharpness and noise reduction go hand in hand. The higher the noise reduction, the higher the sharpness. Increase your sharpness, your noise can get more gritty/pronounced. Think the algothrims employed for NR and sharpness impact each other in the same way mixing certain medicines impact each other.

I've noted, in the manual, there is no noise reduction settings for the SX70 so Canon may have linked them to your point for this model, I don't know. I doubt anyone from Canon support or anyone on the forum can answer this question without some testing, which:

Shoot RAW, adjust your sharpness and compare the two (or more samples with varying sharpness) in Canon's DPP4 (free download) and go to the noise reduction tab and check the chroma and luma noise reductions levels on the RAWs and see if they're moving when you move your sharpness defaults. That'll answer your question if you shoot with same scene/exposure and just change the sharpness between samples and check the samples. If you find say the one with a sharpness of 4 is say 10 on the chroma and 15 on the luma, but the one with say sharpness of 6 is 5 on the chroma, 10 on the luma (or whatever they are), than that's your answer. I have no idea what you'll find, I'm just using those as an example as to what you're looking for. If you say find the noise reduction isn't moving with the sharpness, that's your answer too (which is they're still linked in impact, but, not equal, that is noise reduction does not equal sharpness and vice-versa).

Good idea, but unfortunately it's not possible to adjust the in-camera sharpness, etc. if shooting RAW + JPEG. Only possible when shooting JPEG only. Could still be that just opening a RAW file and changing the default sharpness setting could give the answer, but seems that it doesn't, according to Avian's reply above.

I find the noise reduction levels Canon uses by default, or even reduced (if available, which appears it's not for your model), are aggressive across the board regardless of camera model and for best detail retention results it's necessary to fine tune your NR by hand on RAWs.

Hope that helps.

Changing in-camera sharpness tags the RAW with those values just like changing the picture style would; and, if Canon is linking the two together (NR and sharpness), you would see the accompanying RAW file being tagged with different NR. It (the RAW file) still tells you what the accompanying JPEG was a resultant of, if that makes sense which the OP has confirmed sharpness is in fact not changing the noise reduction (which was my hypothesis).

Like I said, not possible to change in-camera sharpness when shooting RAW. The option is simply not available when shooting RAW + JPEG. And thinking a bit more about it.. don't think that it tells us anything that NR doesn't change in DPP when changing the sharpness. If it did, then DPP would be impossible to use properly, if you couldn't change sharpening without changing NR automatically too, and vice versa. The whole point of RAW is that you can make your own decisions.

Unfortunate though that one cannot change noise reduction defaults for the camera, per the manual anyways, but, the SX70 is a mid-tier point and shoot after all so this isn't that surprising truth told from my point of view.

But in-camera NR could be changed on SX50/SX60, so a step backwards.

You can always shoot RAW, and change the NR values. I find even when you can change in-camera NR, even Canon's "low" isn't low enough. Still very aggressive against fine details. This is something Canon could improve on.

 

[Avian2016]

Good info. from all. Unfortunately, none of this information on PicStyles and NR is explained in detail in the SX70 HS .PDF manual.

The SX70 HS Manual is lacking lots of info. Maybe too much.

Showing me sort of negligent attitude towards the cam's prospective buyers/owners.

I've noted the EOS M50's manual (which I own, but looked at the manual while it was in transit) was also lacking. Canon has dumbed down their manuals of late. For what it's worth, it was a much, much easier read and I actually appreciated it.

That said the target audience of say the SX70 and EOS M50 is average joe. I suspect say G series and higher end M models will have the traditional pro orientation you'd find from say a Canon whitepaper on Autofocus for the 1DX system (which is like a 60-70 page read I think, very exhaustive).

I have already checked some other manuals and it is true. They are "dumbed" down, a lot. Already that of SX60, of the also new SX740, and of M50 too.

Still strongly believe that manuals should guide the users more effectively.

Kind regards,
Avian

http://thetzarnaturephotography.mozello.com/

 

[Steen Bay]

Good info. from all. Unfortunately, none of this information on PicStyles and NR is explained in detail in the SX70 HS .PDF manual.

The SX70 HS Manual is lacking lots of info. Maybe too much.

Showing me sort of negligent attitude towards the cam's prospective buyers/owners.

Yes, and especially since SX70 is the first PowerShot camera with Picture Styles like the DSLRs. Also the sharpness setting is different. Now 0-7, with default 4. On my SX60 I use Custom Color when changing the settings. Sharpness can be changed from -2 to +2, default is 0.

 

[Avian2016]

Maybe I'm mistaken but looks to me that people at Canon left their homework unfinished/half done. Why employing the latest image processor and offering only one part of the features possible?

Kind regards,
Avian

http://thetzarnaturephotography.mozello.com/

 

[jshen808]

Not sure. As I presume the image processor in SX70 may not function the same way as DPP 4.0 SW.

It would be interesting to read the Jshen808 more detailed clarification/description of his increment list he presented recently.

..These "test" pictures was taken for my viewing, and had not intended for others to see..

..so take these pictures with a grain of salt and understanding..

..the below pictures are SOOC 100% (near) center crops from the SX70 camera..

..the pictures shows the Sharpening settings from 0-7..

..there are some pictures that seems not perfectly focus (such as the sharpening +5 picture), but still can see the sharpening artifacts and results, and also see the results of the noise reductions..

0) Sharpening +0


..Sharpening +0

1) Sharpening +1


..Sharpening +1

2) Sharpening +2


..Sharpening +2

3) Sharpening +3


..Sharpening +3..

4) Sharpening +4


..Sharpening +4..

5) Sharpening +5


..Sharpening +5..

6) Sharpening +6


..Sharpening +6..

7) Sharpening +7


..Sharpening +7..

..and these pictures was taken with iso1250 and iso1600 to boot!

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..Cheers..

 

[Avian2016]

Not sure. As I presume the image processor in SX70 may not function the same way as DPP 4.0 SW.

It would be interesting to read the Jshen808 more detailed clarification/description of his increment list he presented recently.

..These "test" pictures was taken for my viewing, and had not intended for others to see..

..so take these pictures with a grain of salt and understanding..

..the below pictures are SOOC 100% (near) center crops from the SX70 camera..

..the pictures shows the Sharpening settings from 0-7..

..there are some pictures that seems not perfectly focus (such as the sharpening +5 picture), but still can see the sharpening artifacts and results, and also see the results of the noise reductions..

0) Sharpening +0


..Sharpening +0

1) Sharpening +1


..Sharpening +1

2) Sharpening +2


..Sharpening +2

3) Sharpening +3


..Sharpening +3..

4) Sharpening +4


..Sharpening +4..

5) Sharpening +5


..Sharpening +5..

6) Sharpening +6


..Sharpening +6..

7) Sharpening +7


..Sharpening +7..

..and these pictures was taken with iso1250 and iso1600 to boot!

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..Cheers..

Thank you very much for sharing these shots with me/others. Shall look at them tomorrow on PC. Now I've switched to my smartphone.

Kind regards,
Avian

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