eos m10 vs eos m100

i can get m10 for 280 eur and m100 for 390 eur both new,  what should I buy, I read that AF in m100 is much better?

dpreviewreader80 wrote:

i can get m10 for 280 eur and m100 for 390 eur both new, what should I buy, I read that AF in m100 is much better?

Yes, the M100 has dpaf.

I don't know where you want to order your M100, but in the Netherlands it is body only available for 280 euro - 40 euro cashback = 240 euro in the colors grey and white.

Add a 22mm f/2.0 from eglobal central for 150 euro or less, and you have a nice combination for a very good price.

...I seemingly had more fun with the M10 (which I've sold) as compared to the M100.  And why?  Mainly due to the metering scenario.  With the M100, even though you select evaluative metering, the AF box still behaves as if you had spot metering selected.  Rather than just meter the entire scene, the metering tends to be influenced right where you place the AF box - which drives me batty.  Sure, I shoot in RAW mode so I can adjust levers to bring up or tone down hi-lights and/or shadows - but evaluative metering should be able to evaluate the entire scene - not the area by the AF point.

The previous M10 wasn't as picky in this regard.  All of the newer EOS M models have this issue.  With other brand cameras there are options (some of them at least) where you have the choice of choosing where the evaluative metering will take place - whether of the entire scene, or where the AF points are.  Not so with the M.

So I have to say that I've had more fun with the M10 and it's capable of generating some superb IQ levels.  But I'm also enjoying the use of my M100 - just not the metering aspect of using it.

dpreviewreader80 wrote:

you mean 280 eur with kit lens 15-45?

No, that is body only.

Ben Herrmann wrote:

...I seemingly had more fun with the M10 (which I've sold) as compared to the M100. And why? Mainly due to the metering scenario. With the M100, even though you select evaluative metering, the AF box still behaves as if you had spot metering selected. Rather than just meter the entire scene, the metering tends to be influenced right where you place the AF box - which drives me batty. Sure, I shoot in RAW mode so I can adjust levers to bring up or tone down hi-lights and/or shadows - but evaluative metering should be able to evaluate the entire scene - not the area by the AF point.

The previous M10 wasn't as picky in this regard. All of the newer EOS M models have this issue. With other brand cameras there are options (some of them at least) where you have the choice of choosing where the evaluative metering will take place - whether of the entire scene, or where the AF points are. Not so with the M.

So I have to say that I've had more fun with the M10 and it's capable of generating some superb IQ levels. But I'm also enjoying the use of my M100 - just not the metering aspect of using it.

For my shooting this metering is a nice thing to have, but i agree you should be able to turn it off.

dpreviewreader80 wrote:

well i get a lens 15-45 for this price so your price isn't that nice anymore

I am happy for you!

Ben Herrmann wrote:

...I seemingly had more fun with the M10 (which I've sold) as compared to the M100. And why? Mainly due to the metering scenario. With the M100, even though you select evaluative metering, the AF box still behaves as if you had spot metering selected. Rather than just meter the entire scene, the metering tends to be influenced right where you place the AF box - which drives me batty. Sure, I shoot in RAW mode so I can adjust levers to bring up or tone down hi-lights and/or shadows - but evaluative metering should be able to evaluate the entire scene - not the area by the AF point.

The previous M10 wasn't as picky in this regard. All of the newer EOS M models have this issue. With other brand cameras there are options (some of them at least) where you have the choice of choosing where the evaluative metering will take place - whether of the entire scene, or where the AF points are. Not so with the M.

So I have to say that I've had more fun with the M10 and it's capable of generating some superb IQ levels. But I'm also enjoying the use of my M100 - just not the metering aspect of using it.

With every Canon digital ILC I've owned (300D, 20D, 50D, 7D, 7DII, M, M6) evaluative metering has behaved this way. If an AF mode using single points is selected, the metering is biased towards the selected AF point (though not as much as spot metering). If I want the metering to take more account of the whole scene, I switch to center-weighted average metering mode. Is this not a possibility on the M100? On my M6, I have four metering options: evaluative, partial, spot, and center-weighted average. The difference between partial and spot is the size of the area in the center used for metering (spot uses a smaller circle in the center). Another way to stop the metering being biased towards the AF point is to switch to MF and lock the metering, then switch back. In any case, I find that the metering behavior of biasing towards the AF point is very useful in most cases. I wouldn't want Canon to change that. If you don't like that, just use center-weighted average metering (if it's available).

Alastair Norcross wrote:

If I want the metering to take more account of the whole scene, I switch to center-weighted average metering mode. Is this not a possibility on the M100? On my M6, I have four metering options: evaluative, partial, spot, and center-weighted average. The difference between partial and spot is the size of the area in the center used for metering (spot uses a smaller circle in the center).

Yeah, same options on the M100, accessible with the Quick Menu.