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[Tommi K1]

Just watched this video and as usual very enjoyable. Fuji came out on top but I didn't really find that surprising. It is the most recently released camera and it seems like camera companies seem to leapfrog each other with features and sensor improvements. I think Fuji is to be commended for making what appears to be an excellent camera. Especially their video has improved dramatically.

Well, the video was IMHO again one of the simple ones with results that doesn't really make sense. Like Fuji to be given a more resolution just by a 6 Mpix? That is negligent addition to 20Mix, even to 16Mpix (10Mpix).

But what speaks for itself, more and more all differences has gone negligent and it is more for the other things than sensor that matters.

The biggest disappointment I ever had with the Em1-II was the huge price increase that took it out of my league so much that I even stopped dreaming about it.

For me it was the side swivel screen instead tilt screen. The X-T2 and X-T3 has industry best hinges designs ever made. Olympus should license that from Fuji!

The new battery put as well consideration as it is only model using it and if you have any other model with you, you need two chargers, you have divided the battery pool and so on. That is why if you are going to release a new battery, you should release updated camera models same time so you get all jump to upgrade at once.

The price is nothing compared that how much income it brings for professionals. And if someone is passionate about their hobby, then again it is question that how many years they can postpone to capture some of the moments they otherwise can't.

 

[Tommi K1]

Unless you use specific RAW software the lens corrections are contained in the header of the RAW file and applied automatically with no option to turn them off { Photoshop , LR etc}. AiryDiscus is talking about pre-processing of RAW files over which we have no control . When it comes to RAW file " tampering" and software "fixing " of lenses m43 applies this at a much higher level than other systems. It is what it is and it has its pros and cons

So stop using IMAGE EDITORS!

Stop whining, if you do not like to use raw but just the OOC JPEG, then do so and be happy you don't need to use image editors! But if you do, then stop whining!

 

[Skeeterbytes]

The biggest disappointment I ever had with the Em1-II was the huge price increase that took it out of my league so much that I even stopped dreaming about it.

At this point the E-M1ii can be had for less than what the first E-M1 cost on release, on par with the G9 and less than the Fuji. FWIW.

It's easy to get tangled in "what can this camera do compared to that camera (at this moment in time)?" but the system is far more important, both today and with time. Nothing about Fuji's system calls to me across the divide, the breadth is not there. Everyone's different.

Cheers,

Rick

 

[amblepath]

Well I did buy the omd em5-II but up till it's release I had been hoping for the em1-II. It went from 1300 Canadian for em1 to 2400 ca. for the em1-II. I assume that was what they had to do to make money on it so I can't really hold it against them. Maybe late in it's product cycle but I doubt it as em5-II covers most of my needs.

 

[NCV]

Go to a good camera shop, try some cameras see what you can afford, and buy what is best for YOU.


No YouTube video can tell you what is the right camera for you.

 

[Raist3d]

Oh, well of course Fuji's gonna win, even despite their crappy x-trans (3 or maybe it's 4 by now) and tempered RAW which includes noise reduction. And I guess it has higher burst rate. And all kinds of small unimportant things that add up to an artificial high score. It's dpreview, after all.

Actually the sensor does rather well and i's a Fuji strength here. The so called "I guess it has higher burst rate" is what several here cited fo the EM1 MKII to claim "m43rds superiority."

 

[amblepath]

I wouldn't buy the Fuji either. Once invested in a system it would take a lot to change. I also would not want to give up the excellent image stabilization. Also as I stated if Olympus keeps up it's game the next model will probably catch up or surpass the Fuji.

Still, good for Fuji owners that they have an excellent camera for the system they have chosen.

 

[Raist3d]

I enjoyed watching it. My conclusion is that the newer the camera the higher it rated. This might mean the rumored E-M1X will be better than that these four czneras6. The poor Canon 7D Mkii is older and didn't even get in this group.

I think there is a confusion here between when he camera was released and rating. That's not what they did. They gave heir rationale.

 

[DLBlack]

I enjoyed watching it. My conclusion is that the newer the camera the higher it rated. This might mean the rumored E-M1X will be better than that these four czneras6. The poor Canon 7D Mkii is older and didn't even get in this group.

I think there is a confusion here between when he camera was released and rating. That's not what they did. They gave heir rationale.

 

[cangopluto]

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[Tommi K1]

Well I did buy the omd em5-II but up till it's release I had been hoping for the em1-II. It went from 1300 Canadian for em1 to 2400 ca. for the em1-II. I assume that was what they had to do to make money on it so I can't really hold it against them. Maybe late in it's product cycle but I doubt it as em5-II covers most of my needs.

Too many here is lusting for the latest model, for totally wrong reasons.

No gear is going to help previsualize the final image, to time the moment, to feel the emotion on the scene, to get moving to the best perspective.

E-M1 II was all about speed. It was for action, sports, wildlife, and still is superior to D500 and any other camera out there, only Panasonic G9 coming to close second.

But if one doesn't need that speed, the upgrade is very niche reason to go for. One of the major reason to go for update is now the second best sensor readout (was best on the launch, after Sony A9 came out) with 1/125 speed to make electronic shutter usable in basically every situation that there is, allowing to be silent. That alone is almost the main reason to go for upgrade from any previous OM-D if not including the speed capabilities.

But people went to buy a E-M1 level bodies without actually needing the performance they offer. The understandable reason then would be the body form and controls, that E-M5 line lacks, but if those are not required, then again even less reason to go for E-M1 line.

It is interestingly funny that people want something that has special features that no other model is offering, yet they are not ready to pay for it because they evaluate the price for sensor size in mind, not the possibilities and results they can do with that tool. Yes, if someone is going to take a 1 frame per a day, or use it just for street photography or walk-around as any other camera in last 20 years, then there is no sense at all to get it. But if you are for the target audience that is made, professional, fast action, fine art, high quality etc and taking thousands of frames per day, almost every day a week. Then it is increasing productivity a lot.

It is like the computer upgrades, going from a 30min 4K video rendering time to 25min is not worth it if it is upgrade value of 1200€. Maybe if it would be halving the time from 30min to 15min. But then again if it is from 19 days to 16 days 3D rendering time reducition, then that 1200€ can have a very very good value.

 

[Miguel-C]

Oh, well of course Fuji's gonna win, even despite their crappy x-trans (3 or maybe it's 4 by now) and tempered RAW which includes noise reduction. And I guess it has higher burst rate. And all kinds of small unimportant things that add up to an artificial high score. It's dpreview, after all.

m43 RAW files are amongst the most "tampered" with on the market if that concerns you

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61232284

That's a completely false accusation and the post offers no supporting information. The corrections MFT applies are only to the JPEGs not the RAWs. They include the correction profiles with the RAW files (which is extremely helpful for people who want to match the JPEGs more closely), but it's up to the RAW processor to apply them or not.

Fuji seems to be the one that is frequently accused of tampering with RAWs (noise reduction).

This is true, heck not even long exposure NR is applied to raw files on the Panasonic bodies

 

[Astrotripper]

The biggest disappointment I ever had with the Em1-II was the huge price increase that took it out of my league so much that I even stopped dreaming about it.

That was certainly true for many. However, its price dropper quite some time ago and combined with regular discounts, sales and promotions, it can be had for a similar or even lower price than the newest Fuji.

But if you don't mind size, G9 might be a better choice. It's currently the best sub FF mirrorless camera.

 

[El Chubasco]

Going back to the OP point. I recently switched from Fuji to Lumix G9 and I have been trying to justify my return to Fuji because I miss it, but telling the truth, it is actually hard. I have been testing side by side the G9 and a XPro2 today. The G9’s great AF, 6k photo and superb IS are just right on spot for taking the candide moment and making video of my toddler son. The high resolution 80mp files give great results and detail for the occasional architecture paid commissions I get, again better than the Fuji. So, I agree with the video that the XT3, in addition to be a beautiful camera, wins over the G9 in some areas but the video does not address specific needs such as my needs. I wish I had a XT3 to play and test, but even with the fast AF it offers I am really doubting how it’s going to beat the G9 in te circumstances I mentioned above.

 

[Pixnat2]

Oh, well of course Fuji's gonna win, even despite their crappy x-trans (3 or maybe it's 4 by now) and tempered RAW which includes noise reduction. And I guess it has higher burst rate. And all kinds of small unimportant things that add up to an artificial high score. It's dpreview, after all.

Unable to hold a discussion without stupidly bashing other brands.

A model of it's kind.

 

[wolfie]

Just watched this video and as usual very enjoyable. Fuji came out on top but I didn't really find that surprising. It is the most recently released camera and it seems like camera companies seem to leapfrog each other with features and sensor improvements. I think Fuji is to be commended for making what appears to be an excellent camera. Especially their video has improved dramatically.

The biggest disappointment I ever had with the Em1-II was the huge price increase that took it out of my league so much that I even stopped dreaming about it.

If you looked the price has reduced down towards $1600, so 25% less which is about typical for new model launch prices.

 

[petreluk]

Well I did buy the omd em5-II but up till it's release I had been hoping for the em1-II. It went from 1300 Canadian for em1 to 2400 ca. for the em1-II. I assume that was what they had to do to make money on it so I can't really hold it against them. Maybe late in it's product cycle but I doubt it as em5-II covers most of my needs.

Too many here is lusting for the latest model, for totally wrong reasons.

No gear is going to help previsualize the final image, to time the moment, to feel the emotion on the scene, to get moving to the best perspective.

E-M1 II was all about speed. It was for action, sports, wildlife, and still is superior to D500 and any other camera out there, only Panasonic G9 coming to close second.

But if one doesn't need that speed, the upgrade is very niche reason to go for. One of the major reason to go for update is now the second best sensor readout (was best on the launch, after Sony A9 came out) with 1/125 speed to make electronic shutter usable in basically every situation that there is, allowing to be silent. That alone is almost the main reason to go for upgrade from any previous OM-D if not including the speed capabilities.

But people went to buy a E-M1 level bodies without actually needing the performance they offer. The understandable reason then would be the body form and controls, that E-M5 line lacks, but if those are not required, then again even less reason to go for E-M1 line.

It is interestingly funny that people want something that has special features that no other model is offering, yet they are not ready to pay for it because they evaluate the price for sensor size in mind, not the possibilities and results they can do with that tool. Yes, if someone is going to take a 1 frame per a day, or use it just for street photography or walk-around as any other camera in last 20 years, then there is no sense at all to get it. But if you are for the target audience that is made, professional, fast action, fine art, high quality etc and taking thousands of frames per day, almost every day a week. Then it is increasing productivity a lot.

It is like the computer upgrades, going from a 30min 4K video rendering time to 25min is not worth it if it is upgrade value of 1200€. Maybe if it would be halving the time from 30min to 15min. But then again if it is from 19 days to 16 days 3D rendering time reducition, then that 1200€ can have a very very good value.

This target audience stuff is a bit of a BS, I think, same for all the talk about professional. It's a marketing pitch, pure and simple. No shame in that, every company does it. But the idea of Cor! Professional! And therefore it's a bargain and you must buy it now! doesn’t stack up.

Olympus left their users with no choice and is still leaving them in the same position two years later. If you want or need an upgrade, then the E-M1 Mark II is the only game in town. You will be obliged to pay for features you don't want or need in order to get some features you do. This could have been avoided by Olympus paying more attention to the midrange of their market where likely most of their customers play. But Olympus chose not to and now, quite possibly, they are counting the cost in the form of customers leaking over to Panasonic, Fuji, Sony, etc who offer cameras with much more appropriate feature sets and without the worst of the fancy pricing.

Companies make mistakes and get it wrong all the time. Look at Pentax. Olympus didn't get it wrong by releasing an E-M1 Mark II but their mistake was to leave it for so long as the only game in town together with their long splurge on very big and expensive lenses which only a tiny tiny number of their customers are ever going to buy.

What the DP TV item makes clear is that advances in processing power and software are going to have far more impact than most people realize. It's often said that the rate of camera introductions is slowing down. In fact, in order to obtain the benefit from new processors and much more sophisticated in-camera and in-app software, they really need to speed up at least to the degree of completely revamping the traditional firmware/software updating system. The Oly E-M1 Mark II is only two years old and packs twin quad-core processors but already newer electronics are showing it up.

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[Adielle]

Oh, well of course Fuji's gonna win, even despite their crappy x-trans (3 or maybe it's 4 by now) and tempered RAW which includes noise reduction. And I guess it has higher burst rate. And all kinds of small unimportant things that add up to an artificial high score. It's dpreview, after all.

Unable to hold a discussion without stupidly bashing other brands.

A model of it's kind.

I insulted brands? Wow, never knew I could do that. You're so touchy, rest assured I didn't mean to insult YOU, though, although you did try to insult me now. Let me soothe you by saying that I quite like my X100, despite its slowness and all, because it doesn't have a horrible x-trans sensor nor cryptic RAW images with noise reduction, and because it produces lovely picture quality pretty consistently. And I like dpreview despite the often lousy scoring. I'm really sorry that I don't think highly about everything those "brands" do, I'll try to be more polite so that you won't have to call me stupid and "a model of my kind", because that really hurts my feelings.

 

[Pixnat2]

Oh, well of course Fuji's gonna win, even despite their crappy x-trans (3 or maybe it's 4 by now) and tempered RAW which includes noise reduction. And I guess it has higher burst rate. And all kinds of small unimportant things that add up to an artificial high score. It's dpreview, after all.

Unable to hold a discussion without stupidly bashing other brands.

A model of it's kind.

I insulted brands? Wow, never knew I could do that. You're so touchy, rest assured I didn't mean to insult YOU, though, even you did try to insult me now. Let me sooth you by saying that I quite like my X100, despite its slowness and all, because it doesn't have a horrible x-trans sensor nor cryptic RAW images with noise reduction, and because it produces lovely picture quality pretty consistently. And I like dpreview despite the often lousy scoring. I'm really sorry that I don't think highly about everything those "brands" do, I'll try to be more polite so that you won't have to call me stupid and "a model of my kind", because that really hurts my feelings.

Maybe choice of a more balanced vocabulary?

"horrible", "crappy", "cryptic", "lousy" are typical brand bashing words, no?

This would help people no to put you in the narrow minded fanboy (girl?) category, which you probalbly not belong to.

You don't like brand A or B, no problem. Just don't bash it if you don't want backfire.

 

[Pete_W]

Just watched this video and as usual very enjoyable.

I just watched it and, not to put too fine a point on it, thought it was rubbish.

An OMD-EM1.2 vs G9 comparison would make sense to me given the same format sensor, IBIS, similarly sized bodies, can use the same lenses, etc. But comparing them against a DSLR and the non-stabilised X-T3 makes no sense to me.