Advice for Zion trip (2nd week of November)

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This is my first visit to Zion National park, planning to hike the Narrows, Angels Landing and Subway (bottom up). I'll be taking my Nikon D850 with 14-24, 16-35, 24-70 and 70-200 and a 50 1.4 prime. For the Narrows I was thinking to take 14-24 and 24-70 (vs 50mm) and +/- 70-200. For the Subway I'll take the 16-35 and 24-70 and for Angels Landing only 24-70 (vs 50mm) and (+/- 70-200).

I only have a FotodioX polarizer for 14-24 and I am thinking of getting a ND filter. Which one would you recommend: 5 stops or 3stops ND for Narrows?

I'll really appreciate if you'll can give me your suggestions. Thanks
 
Did the Narrows and Angel's Landing last spring/summer. Both amazing. I think you're good with the gear you're planning to take. I went with a MFT camera and my 12-40 lens (24-80 full frame equivalent). No need for a ND in the Narrows in my opinion as it's plenty dark there.
 
This is my first visit to Zion National park, planning to hike the Narrows, Angels Landing and Subway (bottom up). I'll be taking my Nikon D850 with 14-24, 16-35, 24-70 and 70-200 and a 50 1.4 prime. For the Narrows I was thinking to take 14-24 and 24-70 (vs 50mm) and +/- 70-200. For the Subway I'll take the 16-35 and 24-70 and for Angels Landing only 24-70 (vs 50mm) and (+/- 70-200).

I only have a FotodioX polarizer for 14-24 and I am thinking of getting a ND filter. Which one would you recommend: 5 stops or 3stops ND for Narrows?

I'll really appreciate if you'll can give me your suggestions. Thanks
I visited Zion a couple of years ago in October and hiked part of the Narrows. I used a set of (APS) primes that covered 15-70mm range (22-105mm FOV for FF). There may have been some more opportunities at the wide, but I didn't feel lacking in telephoto. I did see a Gray Fox in the canyon, but the 70mm was long enough for this.

I didn't use a filter and was typically seeing 1/4s - 1/8s at f16 in the Narrows. If you use the wide angle a lot, you will likely have the keep the exposure somewhat short to avoid blowing out the sky. An ND filter may help reduce the shutter speed here, although keep in mind that your tripod legs will likely be in flowing water much of the time and this may introduce some motion blur on longer exposures. I have a gallery from that trip at https://www.rbpics.com/Southwest-US/Zion-Fall-2016/ All the shots should still have their exif data.

Can't help with Angels Landing (no head for heights) and the Subway is a more difficult hike than I would like to do!
 
....No need for a ND in the Narrows in my opinion as it's plenty dark there.
I saw most of the posts here (and other reviews) recommending ND filter to slow down the shutter speed. I checked the FotodioX polarizer, it cuts down the light by only 1-1.5 stops max.
I think he means you don't actually need that, you can get it naturally with the available light in those areas. Wouldn't hurt bringing it along though anyway as backup
 
I would just take a 16-35 for Subway, I was drained when done with the hike, it ends with a steep hike up from the canyon. can't remember which ND filter I had but definetely recommended, think a 3 stop will help plenty, for both Narrows and Subway. Don't forget to rent boots for both of those as water will be very cold at that time of year! Never used the 70-200 since those locations require lot of hiking. Also you should attempt Obseravtion Point, at least the first half. One of my favorite hikes in Utah.
 
I would just take a 16-35 for Subway, I was drained when done with the hike, it ends with a steep hike up from the canyon. can't remember which ND filter I had but definetely recommended, think a 3 stop will help plenty, for both Narrows and Subway. Don't forget to rent boots for both of those as water will be very cold at that time of year! Never used the 70-200 since those locations require lot of hiking. Also you should attempt Obseravtion Point, at least the first half. One of my favorite hikes in Utah.
Definitely the 16-35 plus 50mm.

Also love the Observation point hike. Did it in August very early in the morning. The low sun provided superb shadows!

Peter
 
I was there just a week ago.

The temps were very cold in the morning (low 30's F), but when the sun came out, it probably got into the low 60's F. With the high canyon walls, not that many places get the sun.

So make sure you have the proper clothing and boots to do the hike in the cold water.
 
I was there just a week ago.

The temps were very cold in the morning (low 30's F), but when the sun came out, it probably got into the low 60's F. With the high canyon walls, not that many places get the sun.

So make sure you have the proper clothing and boots to do the hike in the cold water.
Thanks for the advice. I'll definitely get the dry pants and shoes for that trip.
 
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You’re going to love Zion. All of the Utah parks are amazing.

For the Virgin Narrows, think light weight . 24-70 only. The ultra wides won’t be that useful. The first time I hiked the Narrows I brought the 17-35 and just shot at the wide end.

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Which 70-200 do you have? Hiking with the f2.8 is not worth the weight, but if you have the f4 version then bring it. Also, you won’t need any more ND than your polarizer provides

As for Angel’s Landing, bring your 24-70, but also bring your 14-24. You’ll get amazing shots with an ultra wide perspective as your approach the top.
 
..24-70 ? or 50mm? or 16-35?
I had a 28mm and a 80-300mm and used the 28mm for 80% of my images.

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Ricoh GR

Enjoy our trip, I envy you!

Peter
 
I hiked the Narrows two years ago around Halloween - you are going to love it. My two cents as follows, forgive me if I am repeating advice you're already received. . .

Check the water flow rate of the Virgin River and weather forecast before going. References to flash flooding in that slot canyon are no joke and happen very, very fast and can be from storms you never see far up river. Rent the proper canyoneering river shoes and dry pants from one of the local shops; I used the one down by the visitor center, but there are others in town. That gear made the hike so much better than it would have been in other footwear and I stayed warm. Yes, you'll see folks in all kinds of shoes (and even no shoes!) but ignore it. The river bottom is often like walking on slippery bowling balls with a current pushing you. You'll want a big walking stick to brace you against the current and for balance, which unfortunately is another thing to carry. While basically flat since you're hiking in the river (and along sand / rock benches), it can be a tough hike given the conditions, so be in shape for it, as it's about 10 miles r/t if you go as far as you can go on a day hike. I wore sandals on the shuttle bus and on the paved trail until I got to the entry point of the river, then put on the canyoneering shoes. Reverse plan on the return for walking comfort. Think hard about how much camera gear you want to carry all those wonderful miles; I stuck with a single 24mm prime and had no regrets. Wider might have been fun, but the distortion in the narrow canyon might be too dramatic. A couple times I wished I had something with more reach for distant fall foliage etc, but again, no regrets. Your tripod needs to be solid since most of the time it will be in the river and since it's so dark in many sections, a tripod is a must for me for the slower shutter speeds and stability . I bracketed some shots with enormous dynamic range and used a polarizer and no ND's. I carried a hiking backpack (lots of water, snacks, lunch, first aid, clothing layers, headlamp, etc) and a waterproof sling bag for the camera and lens, tripod, and sturdy wood hiking stick. That's a lot to juggle, but I decided I wanted to make sure any accidental dunk in the water wouldn't damage my gear and it worked out fine. Sometimes I put the camera away, sometimes I was confident enough to leave it on my Peak clip on my shoulder strap. The rangers advise taking enough provisions "just in case" you have to overnight in the canyon; that might seem like overkill, but I can see the justification. No cell and GPS is very sketchy due to the high canyon walls. Get on the very first shuttle bus in the dark to get out in front of the crowds, as the speedy hikers will eventually catch up with you. Solitude in the canyon is. . . just amazing. Have a great time, take extra batteries and memory cards, and have fun!
 
as you can see it's challenging with the light in the Narrows.



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