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[Rodrigo Penha Coutinho]

Thank you for your fast reply. One final (i hope) and minor question. I know the Sony can use very old lenses (i own some elmarit ones, with bayonet screw) through adapters of course.

Can the lumix do it also ?

 

[Masefield]

Going the low budget, "try first route" as you sugested, would you say the GX85 is a better machine as say a Sony A6000?

Search on Google for GX85 vs Sony A600 for lots of discussion on this. For example:

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[Masefield]

Thank you for your fast reply. One final (i hope) and minor question. I know the Sony can use very old lenses (i own some elmarit ones, with bayonet screw) through adapters of course.

Can the lumix do it also ?

I believe that all mirrorless cameras adapt old lenses as easily or more easily than DSLR. I have certainly read of M43 users adapting some old lenses.

But I have no knowledge of any specifics here, sorry. Native M43 lenses with autofocus are so good and so cheap I simply don't bother thinking about adapting old lenses.

 

[golfhov]

Hey bud.

Search online for adapted lenses. Most old film lenses can be adapted. Whether you want to is a different question. Be aware that most film lenses we're made for 35mm. When using a m4/3 camera the crop is pretty considerable. 2x. A 35mm lens looks like a 70mm. APSC has a 1.5x crop. A 35mm lens looks like 52.5.

The a6000 has very good af in decent to good light but struggles in low light. Iq with the two kit lenses will be close enough. The Panasonic has I IS which is nice. With just the kit lenses the advantage is negated somewhat because the lens has OSS. With the panny all your old film lenses would be stabilized. If you move onto better lenses the a6000 sensor clearly becomes better. Lacking I bIS is a strike against though. The gx85 has better controls IMO. The a6000 has a single dial, no touchscreen, and poorly laid out menus.

I do think going 4/3 may be a wake-up call in the noise area. Do you post process much? Print?

Good luck in whatever you choose.

 

[Rodrigo Penha Coutinho]

Thank you. I do not process much and rarely print, but stabilization is very nice to have, even for video, which i dont't do often, but it's there if you need it.

 

[golfhov]

Thank you. I do not process much and rarely print,

that is going to minimize small differences. No point in pixel peeping to pixel peep if they don't make a difference in the end

for your examination though. Here are JPEGS. Change the settings to your desires.

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I wouldn't obsess sharpness here because all of those images are shot with good mid range primes. If you shoot RAW then adjust the settings

but stabilization is very nice to have, even for video, which i dont't do often, but it's there if you need it.

IBIS is a nice feature. It has it's limitations but I would much rather have it then not.

So based on what you have said the only thing that I think will really jump out to you is the lens profiles(also to some degree quality because your requested lenses are basic kit lenses). You have a 24-70. You didn't say 4 or 2.8 so I will assume 4.

On the sony you will have a profile similar to shooting 24-75 5.6-8 .with the m43 12-32 the profile will be similar to 24-64 7-11. Not saying it is a positive or negative thing just a heads up.

Then again the size differences are going to jump out at you too. Good luck in whatever you choose.

also if you are only considering getting those cameras with the kit lenses I wouldn't overlook 1" compact cameras. The "really fast" lenses they have help them be somewhat competitive with entry level 4/3 and apsc stuff. Roughly f5-f8. I think. Crop factor is 2.7......forgive math mistakes this morning

 

[Jacques Cornell]

Going the low budget, "try first route" as you sugested, would you say the GX85 is a better machine as say a Sony A6000?

That would be my choice. In the interest of fairness, I must say that both have advantages and disadvantages. I just feel that the balance leans toward the Panasonic. The main advantage of the a6000 is its excellent C-AF (according to reviewers). If you shoot a lot of fast-moving subjects, the a6000 will probably track them better. However, reviewers note that its AF bogs down in low light. OTOH, Panasonic's S-AF in low light is among the best that money can buy, even on their budget models. Other bullet points include a larger but lower-rez EVF on the a6000 vs. a smaller but higher-rez EVF on the GX85. The Panasonic has (IMHO) better ergonomics and controls. And, most reviewers have long criticized the menu system of the a6000. Also, as I've mentioned, the a6000's kit zoom is regarded poorly, whereas the GX85's gets good reviews. Also, the GX85 offers very good combined OIS + IBIS. The Sony gives you IS only via stabilized lenses, and this is generally less capable by maybe 1-3 stops. And, finally, the Sony's larger sensor yields 2/3 of a stop less noise in low light, which matters only with moving subjects because IS vastly outweighs this with still subjects. I don't regard 2/3 of a stop as a critical difference, and if you don't shoot much in quite low light, it matters not a whit.

One caveat: some people find the "field sequential" tech of the GX85's EVF makes their eyes water. I don't. I find the EVF quite good if a tad small. But, in case you're one of those who are incompatible with field sequential, you'd do well to try before buying or buy from a seller who will accept returns.

Finally, I make crisp & detailed 16"x21" (A2) prints from 16MP RAWs. I don't plan to print bigger than this, so I see no reason to choose the a6000 just to get 24MP. If you want to print A1 or larger, and you will get better lenses, the a6000 might offer a slight advantage.

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[Rodrigo Penha Coutinho]

Hello all,

i ended up buying a Lumix GX80, with the kit lens 12-32.

I will keep my current gear and try this new system.

Who knows, maybe in time I will build a new mft system.

Thank you, you have all been very helpfull.

Rodrigo Coutinho

 

[golfhov]

If you need help there is always the M43 forum here that has a lot of helpful resources.

Good luck