Fujifilm X-T3 vs Canon EOS R

[jclin10]

I’m a Canon 5D Mark IV user and have contemplated (for quite some time) moving to a mirrorless system and had been looking forward to the X-T3.

Now that the Canon EOS R was released around the same time as the X-T3, does anyone have any thoughts on the two systems?

 

[dv312]

you better off with the R system and re-use all your lenses

Besides the ergo may be more familiar to you

As an entrenched Fuji owner I 'll not get the R for I love Fuji ergo and their JPGs

I do envy the super teles from Canon and from Nikon though

Canikon offer many more selection of lenses + accessories

Just my 2C

 

[nnowak]

The XT-3 and EOS R will both be capable of great images. If you don't mind the size of your 5D IV and full frame lenses, then it would be easier to just get the EOS R. If, instead, you want to downsize a bit, then Fuji would definitely be worth considering. While the EOS R body is smaller, the first RF lenses don't really offer and size advantages over the EF counterparts.

 

[Doug MacMillan]

I've been shooting with Canon cameras, including professionally, since 1971. My first digital camera was the G3. I then bought a Rebel XTi, then the Canon 5D2.

After lugging my Canon kit around Europe, I decided I wanted a smaller travel kit and bought the X-E3. I went from a 22 pound kit to a 6 pound kit. The Fuji far surpassed my expectations. It wasn't a fair fight since the X-E3 was brand new technology when I bought it and the 5D2 was 3 generations old.

I'm now at a crossroads. If I stay with Canon, I really need to upgrade my camera. All choices in FF camera bodies are expensive. If I went EOS R, I'm in for at least $2500 for a body and the cheaper adapter. Bump up to the drop in adapter and a grip and I'm hovering at $3k, all for a body that's not that much smaller than my 5D2.

I've been considering going all in on Fuji. To do so, I would want to add the 56mm, the 23 1.4 and at least the 10-22. My X-E3 is still a wonderful little camera. I was looking at the X-H1 for IBIS, but the X-T3 has me wavering.

I'm thinking hard about selling off my Canon gear, though I'd hate to see the 135L go. I would take that money and add to my Fuji lens collection. I'm thinking I'd hold out for the X-H2, which would be the X-T3 with IBIS. That would be a great compliment to the X-E3, which would still be my travel body.

I don't do BIF or sports. I don't need a bunch of esoteric lenses.

 

[Robert Garcia NYC]

I've been shooting with Canon cameras, including professionally, since 1971. My first digital camera was the G3. I then bought a Rebel XTi, then the Canon 5D2.

After lugging my Canon kit around Europe, I decided I wanted a smaller travel kit and bought the X-E3. I went from a 22 pound kit to a 6 pound kit. The Fuji far surpassed my expectations. It wasn't a fair fight since the X-E3 was brand new technology when I bought it and the 5D2 was 3 generations old.

I'm now at a crossroads. If I stay with Canon, I really need to upgrade my camera. All choices in FF camera bodies are expensive. If I went EOS R, I'm in for at least $2500 for a body and the cheaper adapter. Bump up to the drop in adapter and a grip and I'm hovering at $3k, all for a body that's not that much smaller than my 5D2.

I've been considering going all in on Fuji. To do so, I would want to add the 56mm, the 23 1.4 and at least the 10-22. My X-E3 is still a wonderful little camera. I was looking at the X-H1 for IBIS, but the X-T3 has me wavering.

I'm thinking hard about selling off my Canon gear, though I'd hate to see the 135L go. I would take that money and add to my Fuji lens collection. I'm thinking I'd hold out for the X-H2, which would be the X-T3 with IBIS. That would be a great compliment to the X-E3, which would still be my travel body.

I don't do BIF or sports. I don't need a bunch of esoteric lenses.

The new Canons IQ looks great (particularly the color they killed it) at least the jpegs. Download them and view them in photoshop. I’m pretty sure the raws will be just as good too.

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[Iuvenis]

I can't offer much perspective from a Canon v Fuji point of view, though I do have some photos of my cat I took with a Canon eos 30 film camera and a 300 f4 lens in the 90s...

However, I do have two thoughts:

1. There are now at least three adapters that allow you to use Canon lenses on Fuji bodies with full AF. I have seen some really good reviews, but haven't had a chance to try one (I sold the 300 f4 long ago!) That might be relevant to your thought process.

2. While Nikon seem to be treating mirrorless as an opportunity to downsize their full frame offerings, and have (relatively) compact lenses as their initial offering, Canon seems to be going for fast, large lenses. Given it takes years to flesh out a lens line up, I imagine that will set the tone for a while to come. That means the X system and the R system will have a very different emphasis for at least the next few years.

 

[Powerdoc]

If you are a canon user, the natural vote goes for the R

That's said, I have both system (Fuji and Canon) . So I know them quite well. I think in both case, you have to buy new lenses to get the best of it.

So the choice is not that evident. It depends on what you shot. If you are doing video, sure the new fuji is the winner (4 k 60 fps, less rolling shutter, less crop in 30 fps mode ...) For action , The fuji is the clear winner, especially with the electronic shutter (20 fps, and even 30 fps in 1,25 cropped mode)

The Fuji lenses are somewhat cheaper, but the fujinon 56 mm 1,2 is no match compared to the new 50 1.2 L R; So for still photography, the Canon is the clear winner, even if the Fuji is not bad, and have a very fine F2 prime lens line (the 90 mm F2 is an awesome portrait lens)

 

[Hoenemor]

I would say that if you're tired of lugging around oversized gear that break your back and why a really capable and nice-looking camera, go with Fuji

If you don't mind the weight and size and dont care about how your camera looks and you need full frame go with canon.

Obviously you can still use that really sweet canon glass with the new canon but most likely you would also invest in new gladg with the new mount to get the most out of your new toy... In sum I think your wallet will be better off by switching to Fuji, but I don't know if that is important to you.

It is really up you and what your needs are both are capable cameras and I don't think you will be disappointed with either.

I can only speak for my self and for me the nice to Fuji was the best thing that happened to my photography. I no longer suffer from GAS and spend my time improving my photography skills you can probably guess some of the reasons I changed system however those are only valid for me. You need to figure out what is important for your type of photography

Julie

 

[jclin10]

Thanks everyone!

Of course, I've already invested some funds into my Canon system (though I'd also be willing to sell it all). Plus, the image quality for Canon is really great. That said, the equipment is increasingly burdensome to carry around and while Canon has great lens options, because I'm not a professional photographer, there are a lot of lenses that I really won't ever need to use.

Basically, I'm looking for a system that is smaller and lighter, but without a serious drop off in image quality.

 

[inthecards]

Thanks everyone!

Of course, I've already invested some funds into my Canon system (though I'd also be willing to sell it all). Plus, the image quality for Canon is really great. That said, the equipment is increasingly burdensome to carry around and while Canon has great lens options, because I'm not a professional photographer, there are a lot of lenses that I really won't ever need to use.

Basically, I'm looking for a system that is smaller and lighter, but without a serious drop off in image quality.

The M50 is a good fit; you can adapt your existing EF glass to it, or, take around one of those new 32mm f/1.4s... I know you didn't ask.

Fuji is a good standalone system, if you want to pick something small/light, but it means switching whole.

The EOS R, is lighter and smaller, but not a lot so. Canon's chosen to make IQ a higher priority than the weight/size savings, except, with the new 35mm f/1.8 M IS STM, which is akin to the aforementioned EOS M's 22mm f/2 which is renowned for being tack sharp, lightweight and low-light capable. Nikon is choosing more weight savings and less performance on the other hand with their Z (I know you didn't ask either).

I went from 5DIII and L's, to EOS M, and then to G1X III, talk about extreme. Similar reasons, the big stuff got left home, smartphones don't cut it.

Now I'm coming full circle, I'll (probably) be buying the EOS R and 35mm f/1.8 M IS STM for take everywhere candids, and a native RF 24-105, RF 50mm f/1.2L plus adapter. Not cheap. But, the EOS R represents about a good 15% weight savings with native lenses over the 5DIV (1595g for 5DIV + 24-105 vs 1360g of the EOSR + RF 24-105; 1135g for 5DIV + 35mm f/2 vs 965g of EOSR + RF 35mm) but you gain IQ, not loose it for the 15% weight savings.

Going to Fuji or the EOS M is a compromise, you'll loose IQ, the question is how much is acceptable? I miss it, and am going back. But, it depends what you shoot. If you're shooting fast glass, that's something Fuji in particular can do better than other crops, but, it's still not FF, darn close though, but it still is close, not the same.

My advice? Pickup a nice point and shoot, say a G7X II or RX100 series, drag it along when you don't feel like the 5DIV and give yourself a break, or look at an M50 and adapter with a 22 pancake. Fuji is an excellent option if you don't need fast glass, or have other reasons like 4K, then yes, Fuji should be on your short list.

I don't have a 5DIV though, I'd need to pickup something like the EOS R to get back in the FF game, and I'll take the 15% weight savings and better IQ. When I get sick of even the slightly lighter EOS R (I'm sure I will), the G1X III will be there for me...

 

[9VIII]

As far as I know the X-T3 is the first camera ever to support TWO actual UHS-II SD card slots.
Not even the Sony A9 has that.

So as of now, for the best performing professional sports and action photography you have three choices: Nikon D5, Canon 1DXII, or Fuji X-T3.

And the D850&D500 should be decent, but most people are annoyed at using different cards... Ok that knocks the 1DXII down a notch too.

So I guess that puts the D5 at #1 and the X-T3 at #2.

 

[Hoenemor]

Personally i would only consider the EOS M system as no more than a backupsystem. Canon hasent put any effort into producing lenses for it. They only offer one lens with decent aperture (22mm f2).

When I switched to fuji I wanted to dowscale my gear, which also included my lenses. Adapting the humongous canon ef lenses to canon eos m system kinda defeats the purpose.

Julie

 

[Lars]

Depends what you shoot and why you want to move to mirrorless.

For me, Fuji embraces the opportunities in mirrorless much better than the Canon R, especially silent shooting at 1/60s sensor readout should be much better. It is also much better for action and street. And I could not do without the joystick anymore.

For Landscape, I have still doubts on the XTrans Sensor, and with Lightroom still don't get the same results as with Capture One.

 

[mahidoes]

You have two options.

1. Sell all of your stuff and buy X-T3
2. Buy EOS R with adapter.

There are good things and bad thing in both choices. Although with EOS R you can use your lenses it's still add bulkiness and any way you have to buy dedicated RF lenses when they get released. One way or another you are looking for a complete change. So the question is for me more like Fuji APS-C Vs Canon FF

Personally i like Fuji for it's portability , innovation and they listen to customers than Canon. Canon released a mirror less because their sales are declining. They will do this every time. But Fuji has APS-C sensor which no one can hide.

In my opinion If you print very large, shoot low ISO you can buy Canon but be ready to spend bit more money and carry more weight. Fuji on the other hand although APS-C it's a great system. Only downside I see is smaller sensor than Canon (If you care about that.)

Since we are looking for complete change have a look in Nikon Z as well. Their sensor would be miles better than Canon's in my opinion.

 

[jclin10]

I was under the impression that mirrorless systems weren't as good at sports/action and wildlife than mirrored systems. Was I mistaken to believe that?

 

[jclin10]

One of my main goals in considering X-T3 would be to reduce weight and bulk. I was hopeful that the EOS R would represent a reduction in weight and bulk, but it doesn't seem to be more than a 10-15% reduction in these areas.

Just so I have a better understanding about the tradeoffs between full-frame and APS-C, when I would start to notice a difference in IQ between the two? Under what conditions would I start to see the difference?

 

[jmiller2032]

I was under the impression that mirrorless systems weren't as good at sports/action and wildlife than mirrored systems. Was I mistaken to believe that?

According to DPFeview's first impressions, the X-T3's AF competes with, if not beats, the Nikon D500. We're now in a time that mirrorless is neck and neck with, if not beats, DSLRs. Awesome stuff!

 

[dv312]

One of my main goals in considering X-T3 would be to reduce weight and bulk. I was hopeful that the EOS R would represent a reduction in weight and bulk, but it doesn't seem to be more than a 10-15% reduction in these areas.

Just so I have a better understanding about the tradeoffs between full-frame and APS-C, when I would start to notice a difference in IQ between the two? Under what conditions would I start to see the difference?

Not sure about Canon but I did compare the XT2 output to my brother's A7RIII and I can see a bit more details in the Sony, a bit more DR but only if you pixel peep

Sony will also enjoy perhaps 2 stops of higher ISOs but to me the Fuji suffices

I do prefer the Fuji colors to the Sony though which is rather important

And the Fuji ergo suits me much better than the Sony which I dread

I'm sure the larger/denser sensor allows you more room to crop and prints will look better on large poster sizes

There's no substitute for displacement like they say with car engines; ditto with sensor size

But sensor size is not the only criteria in selecting a camera system; there are many other factors which are equally important like ergo, lens collection, size/weight, price ...

If this were the case then Fuji wouldn't be in the camera business , nor would MFT

Cheers,

 

[mikee_j]

Interesting read and hearing everyone’s opinion.

I’m kind of in the same position in that I’m considering the X-T3 against the EOS R. I sold my 6D and ef lenses a while ago and have an x-t10 (23mm 1.4 and 18-55 kit) as well as an x100f.

im keen to get back into full frame and will be selling my x-t10 and lenses BUT the x-t3 looks very very good indeed.

my gut is saying that the x100f will be for the everyday take anywhere camera for family and amazing jpegs... then get R with native 35mm and 24-105mm for the more serious and dedicated photography.

Will keep an eye on this thread...

 

[lawny13]

So...

After reading the whole thread I was left curious as to which way you went. And I am definitely curious about your thoughts if you did go the fuji way.

I actually have the R. But considering the size of the 24-105, I find myself wondering if it is not a good idea to sell the 24-105 f4, and picking up a X-T30 + 18-55 as my walk around option instead or even the 16-80 f4 or 16-55 f2.8. Paired with one of the smaller fuji primes the X-T30 could be a considerable size/weight saver.

Issue though would be which to take on vacations. The X-T30 though small, won't exactly hold a candle to the R + fast prime when it comes to low light situations.