elliottnewcomb
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I'm turning 70 in August, don't I deserve a treat?
I have been jumping around like a cricket: RX10m4 or rx100m6?????? I only do fixed lens Jpegs. Both horrible prices, but as has been true since 2012, both lenses worth the price themselves. Friends at dinner last night were aghast that I (Donna) would spend $1,200. for a pocket camera.
50, 60, 70, these artificial humps when we self delude ourselves, are when I abandon my preference of waiting to stay a generation behind, or wait 2 years like I did to get my RX1r
A recent thread about taking RX10m4 for a real hike convinced me more than ever I would leave it at home, so rx100m6 it is.
It finally occurred to me, I could just add the rx100m6 to my m3, and give my m1 to someone, so no real concerns about close brightness.
Bingo, this revelation resulted in a pre-order via Amazon a few minutes ago. I also went for the 3 year square trade accidental plan for $58 ($20/yr on a $1200 camera, less than 2%). Considering using Amazon Prime credit card gives me -5% credit, -$63. it was free. I advocate accidental plans for any MMM gizmo (Miniature, Mobile, Moving parts), especially a new model!
I will have no problem putting m3 in one jacket pocket, m6 in another, and out for the day. Or pick one for the day.
My only concern about m6 is starting at f2.8 and going to f4.5 for reach. I shoot a lot of low light, and motion. No doubt in decent light, bigger brighter RX10m4 could easily beat my current compact zoom, and RX10m4 has twice the optical reach. Some debate in my mind about rx100m6 achievable results, kids sports, compared with my smaller but brighter lens with more reach. I will be showing anyone who cares after I get it.
I will also be trying 10mp 1.4x Smart Zoom (in-camera optical crop no in-camera upscale). I expect some darn good 280mm f4.5 results. I never print large.
If I resize (so I/you won't know which is which) (Bill says I should always resize when posting, I have been lazy) I am pre-convinced, viewing on 23" monitor, printing 8x10, I/you will never see difference of 20mp original from 10mp optical original. Will we see difference of 200mm 20mp to 10mp 1.4x Smart Zoom 280mm? Not quite pre-convinced.
Time will tell. One difference for me, shooting 10mp, will be much less post cropping. Alternate crops will need to be alternate original shots on site, something I already do with my Oly's 12mp smaller sensor because you cannot crop it much. More zoom, now will be 200mm and smart zoom trial 280mm makes it much easier to get closer detail shots on site, (that I now get by cropping later from rx100m3 70mm 20mp shots). And, zoom keeps an old man from having to get his knee wet and back bothered for all the lovely things that grow too short!
I will be comparing the m6 results, especially kids sports, to my smaller sensor constant f2.8 300mm zoom which I get very acceptable results from in decent light.
Nothing is important, if the light sucks, I don't bother taking photos, I wouldn't get anything I would keep. All I ever want is a few good ones, and a trail of their development thru life. That changes when it is travel, and you won't be back, then you want whatever gives you achievable results. For me, fixed lens, jacket pocket/belt case/small shoulder bag size limit.
Then, there is the beloved/hated CIZ, 400mm at 20mp, f4.5. Even more at 10mp. Each generation of Sony's processors advances CIZ results. Time will tell. Keep in mind, I use CIZ for 'occassional, good enough, EFFORTLESS' to get something I would not otherwise get
Timing is perfect, I will have a week here before a week with the grandchildren at the shore to evaluate it. Now, I use my m1 at the beach, wind borne sand, water, moisture, ..., so it will now be m3 for hazardous duty and protect the m6 from the elements.
Deadline for return is day before my birthday, hope to keep it. Actually, does Amazon give you a longer return period?
Oh yeah, I may use flash with the new m6, I forget the m3 has a flash. I am pretty accomplished using flash with strength cut back, shot to shot if called for, I needed to do that with my beloved R1 which has no IS, it's biggest weakness for me.
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Elliott
I have been jumping around like a cricket: RX10m4 or rx100m6?????? I only do fixed lens Jpegs. Both horrible prices, but as has been true since 2012, both lenses worth the price themselves. Friends at dinner last night were aghast that I (Donna) would spend $1,200. for a pocket camera.
50, 60, 70, these artificial humps when we self delude ourselves, are when I abandon my preference of waiting to stay a generation behind, or wait 2 years like I did to get my RX1r
A recent thread about taking RX10m4 for a real hike convinced me more than ever I would leave it at home, so rx100m6 it is.
It finally occurred to me, I could just add the rx100m6 to my m3, and give my m1 to someone, so no real concerns about close brightness.
Bingo, this revelation resulted in a pre-order via Amazon a few minutes ago. I also went for the 3 year square trade accidental plan for $58 ($20/yr on a $1200 camera, less than 2%). Considering using Amazon Prime credit card gives me -5% credit, -$63. it was free. I advocate accidental plans for any MMM gizmo (Miniature, Mobile, Moving parts), especially a new model!
I will have no problem putting m3 in one jacket pocket, m6 in another, and out for the day. Or pick one for the day.
My only concern about m6 is starting at f2.8 and going to f4.5 for reach. I shoot a lot of low light, and motion. No doubt in decent light, bigger brighter RX10m4 could easily beat my current compact zoom, and RX10m4 has twice the optical reach. Some debate in my mind about rx100m6 achievable results, kids sports, compared with my smaller but brighter lens with more reach. I will be showing anyone who cares after I get it.
I will also be trying 10mp 1.4x Smart Zoom (in-camera optical crop no in-camera upscale). I expect some darn good 280mm f4.5 results. I never print large.
If I resize (so I/you won't know which is which) (Bill says I should always resize when posting, I have been lazy) I am pre-convinced, viewing on 23" monitor, printing 8x10, I/you will never see difference of 20mp original from 10mp optical original. Will we see difference of 200mm 20mp to 10mp 1.4x Smart Zoom 280mm? Not quite pre-convinced.
Time will tell. One difference for me, shooting 10mp, will be much less post cropping. Alternate crops will need to be alternate original shots on site, something I already do with my Oly's 12mp smaller sensor because you cannot crop it much. More zoom, now will be 200mm and smart zoom trial 280mm makes it much easier to get closer detail shots on site, (that I now get by cropping later from rx100m3 70mm 20mp shots). And, zoom keeps an old man from having to get his knee wet and back bothered for all the lovely things that grow too short!
I will be comparing the m6 results, especially kids sports, to my smaller sensor constant f2.8 300mm zoom which I get very acceptable results from in decent light.
Nothing is important, if the light sucks, I don't bother taking photos, I wouldn't get anything I would keep. All I ever want is a few good ones, and a trail of their development thru life. That changes when it is travel, and you won't be back, then you want whatever gives you achievable results. For me, fixed lens, jacket pocket/belt case/small shoulder bag size limit.
Then, there is the beloved/hated CIZ, 400mm at 20mp, f4.5. Even more at 10mp. Each generation of Sony's processors advances CIZ results. Time will tell. Keep in mind, I use CIZ for 'occassional, good enough, EFFORTLESS' to get something I would not otherwise get
Timing is perfect, I will have a week here before a week with the grandchildren at the shore to evaluate it. Now, I use my m1 at the beach, wind borne sand, water, moisture, ..., so it will now be m3 for hazardous duty and protect the m6 from the elements.
Deadline for return is day before my birthday, hope to keep it. Actually, does Amazon give you a longer return period?
Oh yeah, I may use flash with the new m6, I forget the m3 has a flash. I am pretty accomplished using flash with strength cut back, shot to shot if called for, I needed to do that with my beloved R1 which has no IS, it's biggest weakness for me.
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Elliott
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