What settings for bright vibrant colour on Canon IP7250 ?

[DBenz01]

Hi.

Canon IP7250 printer with canon inks.

Photo Paper Plus Glossy II

I have a photo of a model Ferrari and its a very bright vivid red but first printout on settings: printer handles colour, normal printing, paper name selected, photo printing, Quality :High sees a red which isnt the red I am looking at on screen in AdobeRGB1998.

I try for Photoshop handles colour and hard proofing but even darker., as is printer handles colour hard proofing etc.

What settings are best to recreate the colours we see on a calibrated AdobeRGB1998 screen calibrated to 80cd 6500K ? Especially if they have vivid almost artificial colours, such as what acrylic paints can do when oils cant etc.

If I choose pshop manages colour I get access to a myriad of colour profiles in a drop down list, far too many to try each one without using up all my ink so best to ask.

DBenz

 

[jtoolman]

Hi.

Canon IP7250 printer with canon inks.

Photo Paper Plus Glossy II

I have a photo of a model Ferrari and its a very bright vivid red but first printout on settings: printer handles colour, normal printing, paper name selected, photo printing, Quality :High sees a red which isnt the red I am looking at on screen in AdobeRGB1998.

I try for Photoshop handles colour and hard proofing but even darker., as is printer handles colour hard proofing etc.

What settings are best to recreate the colours we see on a calibrated AdobeRGB1998 screen calibrated to 80cd 6500K ? Especially if they have vivid almost artificial colours, such as what acrylic paints can do when oils cant etc.

If I choose pshop manages colour I get access to a myriad of colour profiles in a drop down list, far too many to try each one without using up all my ink so best to ask.

DBenz

Very likely that red is out of gamut! You can check that as well as soft proof to see what you will actually get on print. Not to mention that model is not what is considered a photo printer. so it would have trouble reproducing extreme colors. When letting PS control color you disable color matching in the Canon driver and choose the profile which is a match to the paper you are printing on. None other.

Joe

 

[DBenz01]

Hi,

Where do I select soft proof ?

If set to Pshop handles colour , in the list I am using Canon ip7200 series GL2 profile which is for glossy paper ll

there is hard proofing or normal printing in the drop down list.

if select hard proofing I get working cmyk and Fogra39 or if choose custom then another list of options presents itself.

I am aware of standard cmyk printing having its colour limits and presume this out of gamut red isnt possible with magenta and yellow combination.

pipetting the red I see its 235 0 0 rgb which in colour picker is a triangle and clicking it it kills it ! wine red by comparison.

Guess Ferrari red in my photo is not suited to gamut.

Has anyone this printer and what settings do you prefer, in a quick test of :-

printer manages colour or pshop manages colour and of normal printing or hard proofing with working cmyk if the latter, I find Printer manages colour and normal printing is giving me the brightest red.

DBenz.

 

[ColourPhil]

Hi,

Where do I select soft proof ?

If set to Pshop handles colour , in the list I am using Canon ip7200 series GL2 profile which is for glossy paper ll

there is hard proofing or normal printing in the drop down list.

if select hard proofing I get working cmyk and Fogra39 or if choose custom then another list of options presents itself.

I am aware of standard cmyk printing having its colour limits and presume this out of gamut red isnt possible with magenta and yellow combination.

pipetting the red I see its 235 0 0 rgb which in colour picker is a triangle and clicking it it kills it ! wine red by comparison.

Guess Ferrari red in my photo is not suited to gamut.

Has anyone this printer and what settings do you prefer, in a quick test of :-

printer manages colour or pshop manages colour and of normal printing or hard proofing with working cmyk if the latter, I find Printer manages colour and normal printing is giving me the brightest red.

DBenz.

Sorry, but nothing to do with the CMYK settings as they are for Commercial Printing, i.e. Offset Litho, etc. which has different colour gamuts than inkjet printers. You'll find it under View/Proof Setup, then 'Custom'. Under 'Device to Simulate' you'll see all the ICC Profiles PS can find on your system. As Joe said only select those for your printer and paper. Also experiment with Rendering Intent.

More info:

Photoshop Soft Proofing & Viewing Images

Photoshop soft proofing, or viewing images using Colour Managementand ICC Profiles, an Introduction. Use in conjunction with monitor calibration

www.colourphil.co.uk

Cheers,

Phil

 

[DotCom Editor]

Hi.

Canon IP7250 printer with canon inks.

Photo Paper Plus Glossy II

I have a photo of a model Ferrari and its a very bright vivid red but first printout on settings: printer handles colour, normal printing, paper name selected, photo printing, Quality :High sees a red which isnt the red I am looking at on screen in AdobeRGB1998.

I try for Photoshop handles colour and hard proofing but even darker., as is printer handles colour hard proofing etc.

What settings are best to recreate the colours we see on a calibrated AdobeRGB1998 screen calibrated to 80cd 6500K ? Especially if they have vivid almost artificial colours, such as what acrylic paints can do when oils cant etc.

If I choose pshop manages colour I get access to a myriad of colour profiles in a drop down list, far too many to try each one without using up all my ink so best to ask.

Yep. only way to do this is to select the profile that matches your specific chosen paper. Third-party paper companies have profiles available on their sites for download.

Also, it's likely that your red is out of gamut.

Is the file a JPG? If so, you've flushed a lot of image data away. That's why it's almost always advisable to shoot in RAW and work in a 16-bit color space, such as ProPhoto RGB. Good luck!

DBenz

 

[User7386180579]

Not to mention that model is not what is considered a photo printer. so it would have trouble reproducing extreme colors.

Joe

Canon certainly sell it as a photo printer. It seems the ip7250 isn't capable of rendering correctly, which makes it worthless.

I am trying to print photos which on (a calibrated) screen are bright and rich in colour but in the print are dark and lifeless.

If anyone has managed to get an ip7250 to print the correct colours, please let me know how you did it. I'm printing from Capture One Pro on OSX.

 

[innerimages]

Is your printer calibrated? I bet it is not. You have to calibrate first. Get a spectrophotometer (e.g. X-Rite i1 Pro 2 or 3) and go!

 

[Ken60]

Ok this is a huge question in what seems to be a small issue !

Firstly you have to remember what you are driving if you can't get to the front of the pack in the rally. There is sadly no point in trying to tune a 1980s Lada to do the job !

This ties in with a huge set of check marks to include in your process.

1. Have you calibrated and profiled your monitor so that you can tell us you are seeing the right colour.
2. Is you monitor capable of displaying the entire Abobe 1988 RGB gamut.
3. Have you calibrated your printer
4. Is your printers maximum capability able to ink as wide a gamut as the image
5. Have you made a custom profile for the paper you are using on your printer

Problem here is my first statement.... even if you are able to tick many of the active processes mentioned 1 through 5 , I know that with a printer costing many times more than yours , and with an ink set encompassing 11 inks and a specific Red pigment for this sort of usage, I would not expect a perfect match! Your Red is all value in the R channel and 0 in the other two, a pure RED, trouble is you don't have one and have to try to mix one from magenta and yellow ... this is why they added extra pure colours to some high end printers.

As Kodak used to add to every roll of film produced...... dyes and processes vary , please test every film batch and take the necessary steps if colour matching is required.

 

[NAwlins Contrarian]

Is your printer calibrated? I bet it is not. You have to calibrate first. Get a spectrophotometer (e.g. X-Rite i1 Pro 2 or 3) and go!

That would be ... nah.

* There are very, very few people for whom it makes sense to buy an $1800 spectrophotometer to improve the prints from a $100 printer.

* I'd bet a user cannot calibrate an iP7250; what a user can do (with a spectro) is profile it.

* Canon probably supplies ICC profiles for the iP7250 with its own basic papers like Glossy II (which the OP was using), Plus Semigloss, and Pro Luster. With this class of printer, sticking to those seems to make more sense than worrying about custom profiles.

* This thread has been dormant for more than three years.

 

[enduser]

Convert to Prophoto in Photoshop.

 

[Ken60]

Sorry don't understand your comment or what you hope to achieve.

 

[Box Brownie]

Have you seen the date of the last post................December 2018

I have seen older zombie thread revivals but....replying and expecting the posters to reply is expecting a lot, especially as the post above you in Dec 2018 was the first and only post by that member!

PS and the member to whom you replied has very likely forgotten his nearly 3 year old post. ???

PPS and FWIW in that post, he says he is using Canon OEM inks and a Canon Paper....AFAIK the driver uses 'hidden' ICC profiles i.e. inks and Paper are calibrated. AFAIK calibration would only be required where an unknown paper was being used with Canon or even third party inks...............and many paper suppliers would be willing to provide a profiling service!

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[innerimages]

Have you seen the date of the last post................December 2018

I have seen older zombie thread revivals but....replying and expecting the posters to reply is expecting a lot, especially as the post above you in Dec 2018 was the first and only post by that member!

PS and the member to whom you replied has very likely forgotten his nearly 3 year old post. ???

PPS and FWIW in that post, he says he is using Canon OEM inks and a Canon Paper....AFAIK the driver uses 'hidden' ICC profiles i.e. inks and Paper are calibrated. AFAIK calibration would only be required where an unknown paper was being used with Canon or even third party inks...............and many paper suppliers would be willing to provide a profiling service!

I noticed the date afterwards, now it doesn't matter if someone else gets the info. I just thought the calibration was thought-provoking, and then the OP (or future viewer) decides what to do with it.

Thank you for answering (and NAwlins Contrarian too)!