Fuji - The right time and the wrong time

[Matt Mikulla Photography]

I just wanted to lay out some thoughts about shooting Fuji.

My first Fuji was the original X100 and I fell in love with it. Despite the quarks, it came with me everywhere and I made a ton of amazing photographs. My catalog and stats prove it.

At the time my main body and system was a Canon 60D and eventually bought a full frame Canon 6D. My first digital was a 10D.

I sold my Canon gear and bought a Fuji X100T and an XT-1. Still have the XT-1. Including several Fuji lenses.

But it's time to move on years later. Technology has and I can still sell an X-T1 for a good value.

What are my options?

The XT-2 could be a good buy but honestly the XH-1 intrigues me. No time to wait for the XT-3 and it doesn't seem interesting without IBIS. I have manual lenses that I could breath new life into with IBIS.

So I'm faced with purchasing the XH-1 or the Sony A7iii. Dumping all my Fuji lenses to convert completely.

Previously I loved having both the X100 series and the body with interchangeable lenses for the hard work.

Unfortunately there are several issues that I ran into constantly. The main issue was weak batteries. Yes, I had carry several batteries.

If you've photographed an event with Fuji's you know the challenge. Best scenario is to buy a bunch of Fuji batteries and have them all charged. Count on at least six for a real day job.

In 2018 that's just unacceptable.

I feel like Fuji was groundbreaking in mirrorless but they have not been able to compete with Sony at the level where most people buy cameras.

Let's face it. Most invest in a camera system based on lenses.

Fuji lenses are some of the best. But there are few 3rd parties making good lenses for Fuji. However, Tamron, Sigma, and and other lens manufacturers are making lenses for Sony.

Most camera owners own a single body and lens system.

Fuji excels by offering several body styles. X100, X-3/XT-2/X-H1. But Sony ultimately has the body/sensor options with an insane number of lens options.

A photography kit is an investment.

How far can I take the Fuji APSC kit? When will we move beyond 24 MP and 30 MP?

I know I can get a Sony A7iii for the same cost as a Fuji XH-1. And if I need more resolution down the line I can upgrade my body.

With the Fuji I am limited. Fuji sensors, especially APSC will always be behind Sony.

I may still get the XH-1 because it's the same MP as the A7iii, but what is the future of the APSC sensor compared with Full Frame Sony?

We already know that Sony sensors are already pushing higher MP.

Obviously it depends on what your final output is. I make fine art prints.

Conclusion:

Fuji was the first to jump into the mirrorless market and had the advantage.

Fuji is now hobbled because they rely on Sony for sensors, chose APSC, and have a limited number of lens manufacturers and options compared to competitors.

Fuji's biggest opportunity is to release a lower cost medium format system to take over the now affordable competitive Sony full frame system.

Maybe this was Fuji's plan all along. APSC to develop the system and customer base. GF medium format to satisfy professional shooters..

 

[Elemanzer]

I just wanted to lay out some thoughts about shooting Fuji.
My first Fuji was the original X100 and I fell in love with it. Despite the quarks, it came with me everywhere and I made a ton of amazing photographs. My catalog and stats prove it.
At the time my main body and system was a Canon 60D and eventually bought a full frame Canon 6D. My first digital was a 10D.
I sold my Canon gear and bought a Fuji X100T and an XT-1. Still have the XT-1. Including several Fuji lenses.
But it's time to move on years later. Technology has and I can still sell an X-T1 for a good value.
What are my options?
The XT-2 could be a good buy but honestly the XH-1 intrigues me. No time to wait for the XT-3 and it doesn't seem interesting without IBIS. I have manual lenses that I could breath new life into with IBIS.
So I'm faced with purchasing the XH-1 or the Sony A7iii. Dumping all my Fuji lenses to convert completely.
Previously I loved having both the X100 series and the body with interchangeable lenses for the hard work.
Unfortunately there are several issues that I ran into constantly. The main issue was weak batteries. Yes, I had carry several batteries.
If you've photographed an event with Fuji's you know the challenge. Best scenario is to buy a bunch of Fuji batteries and have them all charged. Count on at least six for a real day job.
In 2018 that's just unacceptable.
I feel like Fuji was groundbreaking in mirrorless but they have not been able to compete with Sony at the level where most people buy cameras.
Let's face it. Most invest in a camera system based on lenses.
Fuji lenses are some of the best. But there are few 3rd parties making good lenses for Fuji. However, Tamron, Sigma, and and other lens manufacturers are making lenses for Sony.
Most camera owners own a single body and lens system.
Fuji excels by offering several body styles. X100, X-3/XT-2/X-H1. But Sony ultimately has the body/sensor options with an insane number of lens options.
A photography kit is an investment.
How far can I take the Fuji APSC kit? When will we move beyond 24 MP and 30 MP?
I know I can get a Sony A7iii for the same cost as a Fuji XH-1. And if I need more resolution down the line I can upgrade my body.
With the Fuji I am limited. Fuji sensors, especially APSC will always be behind Sony.
I may still get the XH-1 because it's the same MP as the A7iii, but what is the future of the APSC sensor compared with Full Frame Sony?

We already know that Sony sensors are already pushing higher MP.
Obviously it depends on what your final output is. I make fine art prints.
Conclusion:
Fuji was the first to jump into the mirrorless market and had the advantage.
Fuji is now hobbled because they rely on Sony for sensors, chose APSC, and have a limited number of lens manufacturers and options compared to competitors.
Fuji's biggest opportunity is to release a lower cost medium format system to take over the now affordable competitive Sony full frame system.
Maybe this was Fuji's plan all along. APSC to develop the system and customer base. GF medium format to satisfy professional shooters..

I don't think relying on Sony for sensors is a problem; they haven't really shown anticompetitive tendencies. At most, it means that Sony models get the latest and greatest first. But I really don't think that having to wait another year for incremental improvements is much of a sacrifice. Especially since most of us buy new gear every second or third generation of cameras anyway (rather than every generation).

I don't know about the GF system being part of Fuji's plan all along, but I certainly think Fuji's current view is that if you want very high resolution, you should go that way rather than buying the X system. With respect to higher resolutions on the X-system, I don't think the technology is really there for >36MP APS-C and for the most part I don't think the lenses are really good enough, either. So I agree that waiting for high-res X-series bodies is a bad idea.

I don't see any signs that we're on the cusp of a revolutionary drop in sensor costs with MF. To the extent that that has ever happened with MF digital, it happened mainly with the move to CMOS, which obviously meant that cheaper fabrication facilities could be used. Hasselblad just took the cost savings as extra margin for a long while, but Pentax passed them on with the 645Z, and then Fuji went slightly cheaper still (partly because EVFs are cheaper than OVFs). But there's nothing I can see that suggests such a technologically-grounded cost improvement will happen again soon. I think the GFX 50S is as low as prices will go for a good few years.

Ultimately, these two considerations are what pushed me toward starting up a large format film system. I can happily carry my Sinar F2 about 15, maybe 20 miles; if I'm walking further than that, I'll resort to my Fuji system. It's a very cheap way to get about 100 to 200MP of usable resolution, with lenses that don't generally reveal substantial imperfections without fairly extreme movements (but it's bulky, difficult to scan well, and has running costs that add up if you're prolific and work in colour).

Now, you say you do both events and fine art. But presumably you don't do those things at the same time; I've never heard anyone talk about fine art event photography, anyway, even though the "fine art" term gets stretched an awfully long way these days. So you might consider a similar option to the one I went for: keep the Fuji for the times when size and weight really matters, and resolution doesn't, and slowly build a low-cost high-res system (maybe a used D810, maybe Pentax FF) for the times when resolution matters and size/weight doesn't.

 

[Rmcp20]

If you print Fine Art, maybe even the A7III is not for you, but instead, the A7RIII or A7RII.

The above cameras would cover both event and Fine Art photography.

And adding to the above, covering events might require a second body, at least as a bakcup, which could be a A7II for example

 

[Astrophotographer 10]

I just wanted to lay out some thoughts about shooting Fuji.
My first Fuji was the original X100 and I fell in love with it. Despite the quarks, it came with me everywhere and I made a ton of amazing photographs. My catalog and stats prove it.
At the time my main body and system was a Canon 60D and eventually bought a full frame Canon 6D. My first digital was a 10D.
I sold my Canon gear and bought a Fuji X100T and an XT-1. Still have the XT-1. Including several Fuji lenses.
But it's time to move on years later. Technology has and I can still sell an X-T1 for a good value.
What are my options?
The XT-2 could be a good buy but honestly the XH-1 intrigues me. No time to wait for the XT-3 and it doesn't seem interesting without IBIS. I have manual lenses that I could breath new life into with IBIS.
So I'm faced with purchasing the XH-1 or the Sony A7iii. Dumping all my Fuji lenses to convert completely.
Previously I loved having both the X100 series and the body with interchangeable lenses for the hard work.
Unfortunately there are several issues that I ran into constantly. The main issue was weak batteries. Yes, I had carry several batteries.
If you've photographed an event with Fuji's you know the challenge. Best scenario is to buy a bunch of Fuji batteries and have them all charged. Count on at least six for a real day job.
In 2018 that's just unacceptable.
I feel like Fuji was groundbreaking in mirrorless but they have not been able to compete with Sony at the level where most people buy cameras.
Let's face it. Most invest in a camera system based on lenses.
Fuji lenses are some of the best. But there are few 3rd parties making good lenses for Fuji. However, Tamron, Sigma, and and other lens manufacturers are making lenses for Sony.
Most camera owners own a single body and lens system.
Fuji excels by offering several body styles. X100, X-3/XT-2/X-H1. But Sony ultimately has the body/sensor options with an insane number of lens options.
A photography kit is an investment.
How far can I take the Fuji APSC kit? When will we move beyond 24 MP and 30 MP?
I know I can get a Sony A7iii for the same cost as a Fuji XH-1. And if I need more resolution down the line I can upgrade my body.
With the Fuji I am limited. Fuji sensors, especially APSC will always be behind Sony.
I may still get the XH-1 because it's the same MP as the A7iii, but what is the future of the APSC sensor compared with Full Frame Sony?

We already know that Sony sensors are already pushing higher MP.
Obviously it depends on what your final output is. I make fine art prints.
Conclusion:
Fuji was the first to jump into the mirrorless market and had the advantage.
Fuji is now hobbled because they rely on Sony for sensors, chose APSC, and have a limited number of lens manufacturers and options compared to competitors.
Fuji's biggest opportunity is to release a lower cost medium format system to take over the now affordable competitive Sony full frame system.
Maybe this was Fuji's plan all along. APSC to develop the system and customer base. GF medium format to satisfy professional shooters..

I personally don't like posts that seem to know better than the manufacturers and tell all the errors the manufacturers are making. Like they are stupid.

Fuji is doing just fine, are making a profit and have a very complete APSc sensor system. Sony chose to concentrate on full frame, Fuji on APSc.

If I wanted an APSc camera I would probably chose a Fuji even though my system is Sony full frame.

Fuji leap frogging Sony into Medium Format is smart and their challenge is to get the cost of medium format down.

A GFX that is cheaper is rumoured to be on the way. I hope they are successful as I use large CCD sensors in my astrophotography and I know how awesome they are . Size matters in sensors.

Sony puts out some great cameras, so does Fuji. Fuji gets the latest sensor usually only about 6 months after Sony uses it. After all the Sony sensor company is a separate company and I imagine Fuji is one of their valued customers.

Greg

 

[Iuvenis]

I don't fully understand your post. You are using an X-T1 and desire more resolution, so would get a noticeable difference in IQ by moving up to the X-T2/X-H1. You'd also get to keep all your glass.

Your main obstacle seems to be that at some future point, you may want even more resolution, and that this means you may be better to switch systems now.

Don't do it!

If you were mulling over investing in more Fuji lenses, it might be a different story. They are your investment, not depreciating camera bodies. Also, if you were wanting more resolution now, and were considering buying a high resolution body now, it would be a different story.

However, there's no point incurring a cost now, for something you may or may not want later down the line. If you need to change system later, change system later. Take the pain then, not now. Maybe there will be more choices then, like mirrorless cameras from Nikon and Canon.

Also, if you really, really want to change to Sony, here's a better plan than buying an a7iii now. Buy an a7rii, which still has one of the best sensors available today, and is selling for relative peanuts on the second hand market. It's not good for action or fast paced event photography, but it will allow you to dip your toe in the water. If you buy an a7iii later, you can always use the a7rii as a landscape/studio camera. If you don't get on with the system, I doubt it can fall much further in price, so I doubt you'd lose much selling it on.

 

[myfujilife]

I just wanted to lay out some thoughts about shooting Fuji.
My first Fuji was the original X100 and I fell in love with it. Despite the quarks, it came with me everywhere and I made a ton of amazing photographs. My catalog and stats prove it.
At the time my main body and system was a Canon 60D and eventually bought a full frame Canon 6D. My first digital was a 10D.
I sold my Canon gear and bought a Fuji X100T and an XT-1. Still have the XT-1. Including several Fuji lenses.
But it's time to move on years later. Technology has and I can still sell an X-T1 for a good value.
What are my options?
The XT-2 could be a good buy but honestly the XH-1 intrigues me. No time to wait for the XT-3 and it doesn't seem interesting without IBIS. I have manual lenses that I could breath new life into with IBIS.
So I'm faced with purchasing the XH-1 or the Sony A7iii. Dumping all my Fuji lenses to convert completely.
Previously I loved having both the X100 series and the body with interchangeable lenses for the hard work.
Unfortunately there are several issues that I ran into constantly. The main issue was weak batteries. Yes, I had carry several batteries.
If you've photographed an event with Fuji's you know the challenge. Best scenario is to buy a bunch of Fuji batteries and have them all charged. Count on at least six for a real day job.
In 2018 that's just unacceptable.
I feel like Fuji was groundbreaking in mirrorless but they have not been able to compete with Sony at the level where most people buy cameras.
Let's face it. Most invest in a camera system based on lenses.
Fuji lenses are some of the best. But there are few 3rd parties making good lenses for Fuji. However, Tamron, Sigma, and and other lens manufacturers are making lenses for Sony.
Most camera owners own a single body and lens system.
Fuji excels by offering several body styles. X100, X-3/XT-2/X-H1. But Sony ultimately has the body/sensor options with an insane number of lens options.
A photography kit is an investment.
How far can I take the Fuji APSC kit? When will we move beyond 24 MP and 30 MP?
I know I can get a Sony A7iii for the same cost as a Fuji XH-1. And if I need more resolution down the line I can upgrade my body.
With the Fuji I am limited. Fuji sensors, especially APSC will always be behind Sony.
I may still get the XH-1 because it's the same MP as the A7iii, but what is the future of the APSC sensor compared with Full Frame Sony?

We already know that Sony sensors are already pushing higher MP.
Obviously it depends on what your final output is. I make fine art prints.
Conclusion:
Fuji was the first to jump into the mirrorless market and had the advantage.
Fuji is now hobbled because they rely on Sony for sensors, chose APSC, and have a limited number of lens manufacturers and options compared to competitors.
Fuji's biggest opportunity is to release a lower cost medium format system to take over the now affordable competitive Sony full frame system.
Maybe this was Fuji's plan all along. APSC to develop the system and customer base. GF medium format to satisfy professional shooters..

I'm going to ask a simple question:

Given you're current selection of glass, wouldn't whatever you are planning to spend on switching be better served buying better glass which would probably have a bigger impact on your photos?

 

[Acrill]

Sounds like your main complaint is battery capacity.

What kind of battery capacity do the latest Sony A series cameras have? How does that compare to the current Fuji lineup?

It may be fairly similar.

 

[Sal Baker]

Just add the 24mp X-T100 for your fine art and put the rest in glass.

Sal

 

[Rmcp20]

Sounds like your main complaint is battery capacity.

What kind of battery capacity do the latest Sony A series cameras have? How does that compare to the current Fuji lineup?

It may be fairly similar.

It might be almost double the capacity actually....with the new Z bateries.

 

[Polybazze]

I had a look at your site and the products you are selling. In what way are you expecting your work to improve by switching/upgrading?

You are obviously prepared to spend a lot of resources (money and do not forget time) on this so I assume you expect something in return.

--
http://poly-cola.blogspot.se/

 

[MoonUnit]

The dilemma you mention is even worse in the APS-C realm. Sony is slowly getting its full frame act together, and the third party FE lens support that is emerging is getting pretty exciting, but in APS-C they still don't really have anything that's more camera than computer. For example, they still don't have an APS-C body that has a focus joystick. A lot of Sony shooters use some of the advanced tracking modes to reposition the focal point rather than bother with the center click, click click click, center click thing. And on the other side, Fuji has some great cameras and good lens selection for APS-C but on the tech side there's a lot more they could be doing (continuous AF still needs work, broader IBIS support, etc.).

 

[TEAS]

A few months ago I sold my Canon and Leica systems and moved to Fuji. I am so glad I did. To me, Fuji provides excellent cameras and lenses. The build quality is better than any other system. The functionality is better for my needs than any other system. People like different thing. I like Fuji.

 

[Rob-in-Alberta]

If you wanna buy Sony buy Sony.

i don’t understand why people have to justify this on these forums or lament that Fuji hasn’t offered you what you are looking for.

1. you don’t owe anything to Fuji or it’s fanboys

2. Whether you need a FF for your work or not doesn’t matter, if you want FF get it

3. Sony is a great system with lots of options. (terrible for apsc options though, but ff is great). you don’t need to compare or justify it to anyone

4. no mirror less apsc option give good battery life, that’s not just a fuji thing. if you want battery life, you need a dslr or a grip.

 

[Dennis]

I just wanted to lay out some thoughts about shooting Fuji.

Not a Fuji shooter, so I'm not replying from a "fanboy" POV ...

Unfortunately there are several issues that I ran into constantly. The main issue was weak batteries. Yes, I had carry several batteries.

Do you know how batteries for XH1 compare to FF Sonys ? (Sony may be better, I don't know, just a point go consider).

Fuji lenses are some of the best. But there are few 3rd parties making good lenses for Fuji. However, Tamron, Sigma, and and other lens manufacturers are making lenses for Sony.

Did you read Thom Hogan recently ? That's a point he brought up where Sony (& m43) have an edge over Canon & Nikon once they go mirrorless with new lens systems.

Anyway, yes, 3rd party lens makers are doing stuff for Sony. But that's only a theoretical advantage unless you can point, specifically, to holes in the Fuji lineup that would be filled by 3rd party lenses in the Sony lineup. Personally, I think it's a good thing that Fuji isn't relying on 3rd party makers to fill gaps and therefore makes an effort to provide what photographers need themselves.

Sony's FE lineup is very good - you'd swear it was developed by a different company than the APS-C lineup, not just in the consistent quality, but in the simple fact that the lineup is intelligent and covers most photographers needs. But then again, so does Fujis.

Fuji excels by offering several body styles. X100, X-3/XT-2/X-H1. But Sony ultimately has the body/sensor options with an insane number of lens options.

Again - does this actually MEAN anything to you or is it just words ?

A photography kit is an investment.

Nah - it's stuff that lets you take pictures. Sure, you want to buy into a system that offers you what you need to take pictures. But hey, here you are in 2018 considering switching brands. Nothing stops you from doing that in the future.

How far can I take the Fuji APSC kit?

Only you can answer that. Better question: how far do you NEED to take it ? What can't it do that you want it to do ?

When will we move beyond 24 MP and 30 MP?

Is that a big concern ? Is 24MP limiting you ?

I know I can get a Sony A7iii for the same cost as a Fuji XH-1.

And the lenses ?

And if I need more resolution down the line I can upgrade my body.

Or see if Fuji offers more resolution down the line or switch brands then, rather than jumping to do so in advance. What if you never need more resolution ?

With the Fuji I am limited.

How ? So far, you've only expressed theoreticals ... you haven't said one thing that suggests that you, personally, are limited at this time.

Fuji sensors, especially APSC will always be behind Sony.

There's always going to be something better out there. You're talking about going FF. Won't Fuji's medium format system always be ahead of Sony FF ? What do you need ?

I may still get the XH-1 because it's the same MP as the A7iii, but what is the future of the APSC sensor compared with Full Frame Sony?

Why is the future of Fuji APS-C compared to FF Sony a consideration ? If Fuji APS-C is good for you, why do you care that you could switch to something bigger, better, more expensive (whole system, not just the body) ? Shouldn't your concern be the future of APS-C compared to your needs ?

Obviously it depends on what your final output is. I make fine art prints.

That's the first time you've mentioned your own photography. How big ? Do you need to print bigger ? I think you can make this whole decision a lot easier based on that question alone and forget all the meta stuff.

However, on that note, I've seen prints at Photoplus Expo that are pretty impressive ... 20x30" prints from Fuji's 2/3" sensor XQ compacts; prints in the 40x60" range from 24MP cameras of all types; truly huge prints (taller than me) from 36MP Nikon ... figure out your needs and go from there instead of spending time thinking about all this fluff stuff. Be honest about your needs - if IBIS for legacy lenses is important, that suggests handheld shooting using lenses that may not be state of the art - are you really going to be pushing the limits of a 24MP sensor and printing huge and expecting fine detail ?

Conclusion:
Fuji was the first to jump into the mirrorless market and had the advantage.

Panasonic: 2009
Olympus: 2009
Sony: 2010
Nikon: 2011
Fuji: 2012

Fuji is now hobbled because they rely on Sony for sensors,

So does Nikon.

chose APSC,

Only a problem if it's a problem. Micro 4/3 has an entire system built on an even smaller sensor. You could argue that Sony, Nikon and Canon are all hobbled by only going to FF if it's all about size.

and have a limited number of lens manufacturers and options compared to competitors.

Which competitors ? Nobody really has a better APS-C lineup. And again, this is all theoretical unless you want something they don't offer.

Fuji's biggest opportunity is to release a lower cost medium format system to take over the now affordable competitive Sony full frame system.

Never gonna happen.

Maybe this was Fuji's plan all along. APSC to develop the system and customer base. GF medium format to satisfy professional shooters..

Plenty of professional shooters are happy with Fuji's APS-C system.

- Dennis
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Gallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com

 

[a_c_skinner]

I think you are coming at this from the wrong end. You are fixed in DPReview mode, thinking about the gear, not the images, which is how a photographer would think.

What is wrong with your images (apart from the fact you have too many, which is why you need so many batteries)? Forgive the last tongue in cheek comment, though it is a bit true.

For the record I've used X-trans MkII, X-trans MkIII and Nikon's (Sony) 36 Mpix sensor. The differences are not huge, you need to look very closely to see it.

 

[Al-Girdas]

Hi, yes battery life is not good at all. But as hobbyist photography I'm yet to see limitations for my prints from 16mp xe2s. How many of us will see limitations of 16/24mp in prints? My guess very little number of people. I hear a lot about Sony but when I look they can't offer me much without either killing my bag, bank or same apsc with not that good lenses at all. Perhaps people like me are fuji target audience and you as professional not so much? Just my guess.

 

[Rmcp20]

If you wanna buy Sony buy Sony.

i don’t understand why people have to justify this on these forums or lament that Fuji hasn’t offered you what you are looking for.

1. you don’t owe anything to Fuji or it’s fanboys

2. Whether you need a FF for your work or not doesn’t matter, if you want FF get it

3. Sony is a great system with lots of options. (terrible for apsc options though, but ff is great). you don’t need to compare or justify it to anyone

4. no mirror less apsc option give good battery life, that’s not just a fuji thing. if you want battery life, you need a dslr or a grip.

Although i understand your point, have you actually tried the OP's shoes?

People do these threads because they like Fuji, but their final result might be better with another brand, and someone might help them on finding a way to minimize the gap in their specific requirement.

But they are in pain because their hearts tell one thing, and their heads the opposite.

Its the same for you to come to the thread and comment something that doesn't interest you at all.

I bet that if you have a girlfriend, you still find other girls to be pretty, and talk about that with your friends. Its not different.

 

[Rob-in-Alberta]

If you wanna buy Sony buy Sony.

i don’t understand why people have to justify this on these forums or lament that Fuji hasn’t offered you what you are looking for.

1. you don’t owe anything to Fuji or it’s fanboys

2. Whether you need a FF for your work or not doesn’t matter, if you want FF get it

3. Sony is a great system with lots of options. (terrible for apsc options though, but ff is great). you don’t need to compare or justify it to anyone

4. no mirror less apsc option give good battery life, that’s not just a fuji thing. if you want battery life, you need a dslr or a grip.

Although i understand your point, have you actually tried the OP's shoes?

People do these threads because they like Fuji, but their final result might be better with another brand, and someone might help them on finding a way to minimize the gap in their specific requirement.

But they are in pain because their hearts tell one thing, and their heads the opposite.

Its the same for you to come to the thread and comment something that doesn't interest you at all.

I bet that if you have a girlfriend, you still find other girls to be pretty, and talk about that with your friends. Its not different.

are you serious?

if cameras decision cause you pain, you got problems. Your analogy makes no sense, comparing brand loyalty to human loyalty escapes my understanding.

 

[Rmcp20]

I just wanted to lay out some thoughts about shooting Fuji.
My first Fuji was the original X100 and I fell in love with it. Despite the quarks, it came with me everywhere and I made a ton of amazing photographs. My catalog and stats prove it.

This seems like you are under a serious GAS attack .

I don't think you are reading what you write to be honest. If it proves you can make amazing photographs with a 12MP camera, what are you looking for?

But it's time to move on years later. Technology has and I can still sell an X-T1 for a good value.

Why is it time to move on?

Unfortunately there are several issues that I ran into constantly. The main issue was weak batteries. Yes, I had carry several batteries.

If you've photographed an event with Fuji's you know the challenge. Best scenario is to buy a bunch of Fuji batteries and have them all charged. Count on at least six for a real day job.
In 2018 that's just unacceptable.

If you are shooting events and even if Sony Z bateries are better, as i said, i would not carry less than 4. Thats is about the same size weight of the Fuji ones. And the ones for the X-H1 are better than the ones on the other models as someone said before.

I feel like Fuji was groundbreaking in mirrorless but they have not been able to compete with Sony at the level where most people buy cameras.

Most people buy APS-C or smaller cameras. For APS-C i don't see Sony being better overall, both have strenghts and weaknesses.

Let's face it. Most invest in a camera system based on lenses.
Fuji lenses are some of the best. But there are few 3rd parties making good lenses for Fuji. However, Tamron, Sigma, and and other lens manufacturers are making lenses for Sony.

Yes they are, because Sony lenses are expensive so not many people can't buy them. Most of the 3rd party lenses for Sony are for the APS-C lineup, where Sigma alone has 5 primes. 3 of those primes (the 2.8) have limitations in AF point selection. The other 2 are very big, the 1.4. The 30 1.4 is almost double the Fuji 35mm 1.4 size.

How far can I take the Fuji APSC kit?

The above question makes me think you have not yet achieved the limit of the camera, but below you say...

With the Fuji I am limited.

So i think you know how far you can take the Fuji kit, or are you still not limited.

Fuji sensors, especially APSC will always be behind Sony.
I may still get the XH-1 because it's the same MP as the A7iii, but what is the future of the APSC sensor compared with Full Frame Sony?

Same as the past of APS-C compared with any FF sensor. Smaller, worst in low light, usually with a bit less resolution (which isn't the case of the X-H1 vs A7III).

We already know that Sony sensors are already pushing higher MP.
Obviously it depends on what your final output is. I make fine art prints.
Conclusion:
Fuji was the first to jump into the mirrorless market and had the advantage.
Fuji is now hobbled because they rely on Sony for sensors, chose APSC, and have a limited number of lens manufacturers and options compared to competitors.
Fuji's biggest opportunity is to release a lower cost medium format system to take over the now affordable competitive Sony full frame system.
Maybe this was Fuji's plan all along. APSC to develop the system and customer base. GF medium format to satisfy professional shooters..

My sugestion if for you to not take a step until 1 month from now, and by then, you will decide better, without being under GAS attack...

 

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If you wanna buy Sony buy Sony.

i don’t understand why people have to justify this on these forums or lament that Fuji hasn’t offered you what you are looking for.

1. you don’t owe anything to Fuji or it’s fanboys

2. Whether you need a FF for your work or not doesn’t matter, if you want FF get it

3. Sony is a great system with lots of options. (terrible for apsc options though, but ff is great). you don’t need to compare or justify it to anyone

4. no mirror less apsc option give good battery life, that’s not just a fuji thing. if you want battery life, you need a dslr or a grip.

Although i understand your point, have you actually tried the OP's shoes?

People do these threads because they like Fuji, but their final result might be better with another brand, and someone might help them on finding a way to minimize the gap in their specific requirement.

But they are in pain because their hearts tell one thing, and their heads the opposite.

Its the same for you to come to the thread and comment something that doesn't interest you at all.

I bet that if you have a girlfriend, you still find other girls to be pretty, and talk about that with your friends. Its not different.

are you serious?

if cameras decision cause you pain, you got problems. Your analogy makes no sense, comparing brand loyalty to human loyalty escapes my understanding.

What causes me true pain is reading members telling others to shut up and stop writting their thoughts: "If you wanna buy Sony buy Sony."

People can share their thoughts with other members, and closing a browser window is much easier and polite than what you wrote, but still, you did....

You seem not to understand a lot of things:

"Your analogy makes no sense, comparing brand loyalty to human loyalty escapes my understanding."

" don’t understand why people have to justify this on these forums or lament that Fuji hasn’t offered you what you are looking for."

I agree with you that the OP's perception of Sony lens lineup or the limitations of Fuji's available cameras are wrong, that doesn't mean i will tell him not to write his thoughts.