M42 S-M-C Takumar 300mm f/4

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The Pentax M42 S-M-C Takumar 300mm f/4. I've actually had this lens since 2009, when I paid a rather hefty $185 for it (although that's no worse than average for one in as good condition as mine is in). The reason I was willing to pay so much is that I wasn't really finding any cheap and fast long lenses, and this seemed to be a high-end lens at a not so high price....

Here's what it looks like on my A7RII:

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I think it's pretty obvious even at a casual glance that this is a very well-made, "A" build quality, lens. Everything about it exudes quality, with very heavy construction and a very smooth-turning focus ring. The pull-out hood and beefy tripod socket are both well thought out and well implemented. The only mechanical disappointment is that the focus doesn't go any closer than about 10 feet, and it takes a lot of turning to go from there to infinity.

Back in 2009, I tested it mostly with my NEX-5's 14MP APS-C -- a tiny camera that attaches to this lens, leaving focusing extra awkward as you try to support the lens while turning the focus ring. Sharpness and color were both pretty good, and bokeh were about what you'd expect. However, CA is a problem for this lens. There is significant transverse CA and axial CA; the transverse CA can be fixed in postprocessing, but the axial CA really can't be. Surprisingly, there are also some flare issues. The Super Multi-Coated Takumars have among the best coatings, and the lens usually benefits greatly from them, but when it flares, veiling flare can wash the entire frame. Stopping down to f/5.6 helps IQ in every way, and it goes from a "B" to an "A" then, but I still call it a "B" for APS-C IQ overall.

I avoided using this big, heavy, awkward lens until 2015, when I tried it on my A7II. It's quite sharp even wide open on 24MP FF, but the CA is still a problem and the lack of close focus makes it hard to love, but it does balance better on the A7II. So, let's jump to the 42MP FF test shots I took yesterday using the A7RII; all of the following are hand-held (with IBIS) OOC JPEGs, with the only postprocessing being -2 red, +3.5 blue correction of the axial CA and scaling down to 1500x1000:

@ f/4, sharp, but with very heavy Magenta "Purple Fringe"
@ f/4, sharp, but with very heavy Magenta "Purple Fringe"

@ f/4, sharp and quite contrasty, with decent bokeh
@ f/4, sharp and quite contrasty, with decent bokeh

@ f/4, very appealing rendering; very soft bokeh, but contrast is still held
@ f/4, very appealing rendering; very soft bokeh, but contrast is still held

@ f/4, focus on eye is absolutely crisp, bokeh good
@ f/4, focus on eye is absolutely crisp, bokeh good

@ f/4, a really nice rendering; contrast preserved despite looking toward the Sun
@ f/4, a really nice rendering; contrast preserved despite looking toward the Sun

@ f/4, again, nothing to complain about here although bokeh could be smoother
@ f/4, again, nothing to complain about here although bokeh could be smoother

@ f/4, almost directly looking at the Sun, with specular reflections off the pond
@ f/4, almost directly looking at the Sun, with specular reflections off the pond

@ f/4, again, heavy backlighting isn't causing the veiling flare I remember on the NEX-5
@ f/4, again, heavy backlighting isn't causing the veiling flare I remember on the NEX-5

@ f/4, directly into the Sun with veiling flare... but what lens wouldn't flare here? Bokeh CA is bad.
@ f/4, directly into the Sun with veiling flare... but what lens wouldn't flare here? Bokeh CA is bad.

@ f/4, using extension tubes to get a bit closer; bokeh are near perfect here
@ f/4, using extension tubes to get a bit closer; bokeh are near perfect here

@ f/4, using extension tubes; yeah, I need to dust this little test scene... note shutter speed
@ f/4, using extension tubes; yeah, I need to dust this little test scene... note shutter speed

In sum, this is a high-end lens, and it absolutely behaves like one on the A7RII. The bigger body, more solid mount, and IBIS really help handling on the A7RII vs. the NEX-5.

Image quality is excellent overall, except for the bokeh CA... but it's still an "A."

The catch is, the long minimum focus and the amount of turning it takes to get you there mean this isn't good for portraits (unless you use an extension tube) and it isn't fast enough for sports, BIFs, or anything that moves relatively quickly. It's also too bulky to carry everywhere. Thus, we have an excellent lens that I'll probably continue to very rarely use....
 
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Wow, somebody else has this lens too. I was wondering if I was the only one. I got this lens in 2014 and was using it for a couple of Astro shots. The CA is gutt wrenching and is worst at the edges but I still got a couple of good shots. Haven't tried it yet on my Sony but it pretty good on M43 but heavy.
 
Regarding the disappointing MFD, how does it fare on a helicoid adapter ?
 
Regarding the disappointing MFD, how does it fare on a helicoid adapter ?
It's fine on tubes (as you see above). However, you'd need a long helical to make much difference and, frankly, I'd be concerned about the lens weight putting too much mechanical stress on the helical. I would also advise against using it with the LM-EA7, which doesn't have much focus throw (so focus tweaking only) and isn't intended to drive such a massive lens; I suppose the LM-EA7 could work if you're careful to always support by the lens and let the LM-EA7 move the body, but it's too easy to wreck your LM-EA7 that way....

PS: Minor typo in my post -- I fixed transverse CA, not axial CA, in post.
 
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I forgot to mention that the S-M-C Takumar 300mm f/4 is one of those few M42 lenses that has internal masking. This means it is critical that your M42 adapter have the lens mount in the correct rotational position; other angles will cause vignetting.

This isn't a big deal on Sony E where most adapters have adjustable rotation with set screws. However, thin adapters, such as for Sony A or Canon EF, usually don't end up placing the lens at the correct rotational position. This isn't the fault of Pentax; the M42 lens spec is pretty clear about precise rotational alignment, and it's just sloppy manufacture that gets it wrong on the thin adapters.
 
Wow, somebody else has this lens too. I was wondering if I was the only one. I got this lens in 2014 and was using it for a couple of Astro shots. The CA is gutt wrenching and is worst at the edges but I still got a couple of good shots. Haven't tried it yet on my Sony but it pretty good on M43 but heavy.
 
The CA is gutt wrenching and is worst at the edges but I still got a couple of good shots. Haven't tried it yet on my Sony but it pretty good on M43 but heavy.
Smaller pixels => CA covers more of them. Scary.

In fact, on 24MP APS-C, this exceeds the correction limits of the chromatic aberration tool in gimp -- it takes two passes to correct!

On the other hand, it does correct fairly well... except for the bokeh CA and strongly magenta "purple fringing."
 
Wow, somebody else has this lens too. I was wondering if I was the only one. I got this lens in 2014 and was using it for a couple of Astro shots. The CA is gutt wrenching and is worst at the edges but I still got a couple of good shots. Haven't tried it yet on my Sony but it pretty good on M43 but heavy.
 
I have it's little brother, the SMC 200mm F4, a much lighter and therefore easier to hand hold lens. I've used it for birds in the garden and the odd portrait, but neglected it since I bought a 100-300. Must give it a dust off and give it more love
 
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Nice! I was eyeing one of those for my A7III - the 300mm length would be awesome without forking out big money for a G Master.

I am enjoying using adapted manual lens on the A7III - lots of fun once you figure to all out.

As far as the purple fringing, I think this seems to be common with a lot of the SMC Pentax lenses at certain apertures. I have a K-Mount f2.8/100mm and that happens now and then - nothing too bad but something to be aware of.

I was wanting to know which M42 to E mount adapter you're using? I've put up another thread here for advice. I'm just about to get delivery of some M42 Takumar lenses - f3.5/35mm, f2.5 135mm and the f4/200mm (along with a set of extension tubes) and was wondering which mount to get. There are conflicting reports of the Takumars not fitting on some of the adapters - obviously your 300mm works fine.
 
I was wanting to know which M42 to E mount adapter you're using? I've put up another thread here for advice. I'm just about to get delivery of some M42 Takumar lenses - f3.5/35mm, f2.5 135mm and the f4/200mm (along with a set of extension tubes) and was wondering which mount to get. There are conflicting reports of the Takumars not fitting on some of the adapters - obviously your 300mm works fine.
My Instructable, M42 LENS APERTURE CONTROL ON MODERN DSLRS , has the full story on this issue.

Basically, avoid the adapters that have a ledge -- some of the newer M42 Takumars can hit the ledge, and it does no good if your lens has an auto/manual switch (which you probably leave on man).

You'd also want to make sure that the M42 adapter thread is a separate part of the adapter with a few set screws (most are). That way, you can rotate the adapter thread so that the lens stops screwing-in with the top at the top... which is nice for all M42 lenses, although it's critical for the 300mm f/4 because of internal masking.
 
My Instructable, M42 LENS APERTURE CONTROL ON MODERN DSLRS , has the full story on this issue.

Basically, avoid the adapters that have a ledge -- some of the newer M42 Takumars can hit the ledge, and it does no good if your lens has an auto/manual switch (which you probably leave on man).

You'd also want to make sure that the M42 adapter thread is a separate part of the adapter with a few set screws (most are). That way, you can rotate the adapter thread so that the lens stops screwing-in with the top at the top... which is nice for all M42 lenses, although it's critical for the 300mm f/4 because of internal masking.
awesome - thanks for the info!
 
The CA is gutt wrenching and is worst at the edges but I still got a couple of good shots. Haven't tried it yet on my Sony but it pretty good on M43 but heavy.
Smaller pixels => CA covers more of them. Scary.

In fact, on 24MP APS-C, this exceeds the correction limits of the chromatic aberration tool in gimp -- it takes two passes to correct!

On the other hand, it does correct fairly well... except for the bokeh CA and strongly magenta "purple fringing."
That was the only real flaw on the Takumar 400mm I posted about here a few months back - I thought it had excellent resolution and good color and contrast, but a lot of CA.

(The lens kept sitting around until I had the time to sit down and work on it... then I found out that the lens repair guy I'd worked with before, and who had closed his shop and 'retired', was still taking jobs. I was so glad to say 'hi' and see how he was doing that I took it directly out there instead. <sheepish look> Looking forward to taking it out sometime soon.)
 

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