1D or 1Ds

[Nick G]

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!

Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.

I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the money, I have a little logic...

In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children

Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

 

[cpr1954]

justify that much for a DSLR..?? nope.... wait till the get cheaper..

these things are too much.. before you know it.. you could have bought a nice Audi.. ha ha..

seriously... i would just wait .. use your D30.. there will be a better day to get an upgrade..

cheers

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

--
Canon A-1 film
Canon S30 digi

 

[JohnM31499]

until after you see what is announced at the PMA show.

Some prices may drop after that, although I doubt the 1Ds will be one of them.

For what its worth, I bought a 1Ds for $7500 & I absolutely love it. If you buy one, you will not be dissapointed.

-John

 

[Nick G]

Now we are into the debate about the savings from waiting for a better day / 3D versus the pics I could take in the mean time.
Which (I admit) could be taken with a D30 or a 1Ds.

So, seriously, what I do get from your thinking is that it is not worth the 1D upgrade? I suppose that is a function of the expected time-to-market, features and price of the much rumoured 3D.

My guess on that is: Sept at best, no idea given overlap with 1D replacement but at least better AF and more pixels (say 9MP) for say 3500.

So by that calc, I save 4500 at the cost of (only) 2MP. And I do not get the full frame or the trips in between.

If you throw in eye control and a better menu and better zoom functionality and video out then it does get tough. But if not, I am still leaning!

seriously... i would just wait .. use your D30.. there will be a
better day to get an upgrade..

cheers

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

--
Canon A-1 film
Canon S30 digi

 

[Nick G]

Wait till post PMA and then get a 1Ds anyway!! That way, option value is realised and I will not miss any major trips between now and early March.

Good thinking and glad of the testimony for the 1Ds.
Thanks

Nick

until after you see what is announced at the PMA show.

Some prices may drop after that, although I doubt the 1Ds will be
one of them.

For what its worth, I bought a 1Ds for $7500 & I absolutely love
it. If you buy one, you will not be dissapointed.

-John

 

[Denialisnotariverinegypt]

I am trying to find some way not to have to spend the $ on the 1ds, hoping the 1d will fit my needs.

What I will most likely want is a 1D replacement when it comes, but cannot wait.

I am starting to think that the 1ds might be the best option while the market evolves since it truly is the high end, but it would be easier to make this decision if I had some idea how much the 1ds price might drop over the course of the next year.

Any ideas on 1ds value a year from now?

Rick

Good thinking and glad of the testimony for the 1Ds.
Thanks

Nick

until after you see what is announced at the PMA show.

Some prices may drop after that, although I doubt the 1Ds will be
one of them.

For what its worth, I bought a 1Ds for $7500 & I absolutely love
it. If you buy one, you will not be dissapointed.

-John

--

 

[Nick G]

Exactly the same logic....

I do not have a crystal ball but the 1D has declined approx 25% and is still falling over the course of just about a year.

You could argue that it will not happen as fast for the 1Ds given the current lead over Nikon and the 1Ds "topping out" on currently realistic features. Or you could argue it will happen faster since the 1Ds is a crazy price for anyone making the 35mm versus digital debate. Or you could argue the 1Ds is cheap versus a digital back etc...

But, I guess a 1Ds price of 5500 to 6000 in twelve months. If this is true, then buying a 1D now, only to crave the MPs and buy a 1Ds in twelve months is a VERY expensive route to take.....

Sigh.

Nick

What I will most likely want is a 1D replacement when it comes, but
cannot wait.

I am starting to think that the 1ds might be the best option while
the market evolves since it truly is the high end, but it would be
easier to make this decision if I had some idea how much the 1ds
price might drop over the course of the next year.

Any ideas on 1ds value a year from now?

Rick

Good thinking and glad of the testimony for the 1Ds.
Thanks

Nick

until after you see what is announced at the PMA show.

Some prices may drop after that, although I doubt the 1Ds will be
one of them.

For what its worth, I bought a 1Ds for $7500 & I absolutely love
it. If you buy one, you will not be dissapointed.

-John

--

 

[T B Gray]

I'm in exactly the same position - D30 and wanting to upgrade. One thing to consider is that if you go for the 1Ds there's a chance that you'll want to upgrade all your non L glass as well (I just did that anticipating an upgrade).

Ultimately, even tho I can afford a 1Ds, I'm going to go for the 1D now and the EOS 3D likely in september. I figure I can get both for the price of a 1Ds now.

 

[michael martin morgan]

Some prices may drop after that, although I doubt the 1Ds will be
one of them.

Quite so. I guess the manufacturers will differentiate between pro and non-pro gear. In Europe at least there is a slight tendency to re-increase the price of the 1D, as since it's been on the market for more than the 1Ds they've had more time to calculate how much the professionals are willing to pay for what they "need" or have been "coaxed into needing", if you see what I mean.

m.

 

[Montharus]

man get a new "d60" and some "L" glass...for a price of 1Ds.

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

--
...timeless, ordered, simply stated, or even implied...

 

[michael martin morgan]

Ultimately, even tho I can afford a 1Ds, I'm going to go for the 1D
now and the EOS 3D likely in september. I figure I can get both
for the price of a 1Ds now.

 

[T B Gray]

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[Nick G]

Almost as fiscally sensible as not changing at all (keeping the D30).
But, I have all the glass I want / "need" currently other than a 135/2
(16-35,50 1.4, 70-200/f saves bulk, 100-400)

So exotic glass not needed (24-70 not really needed for full frame and I find 70-200IS a bit large and IS F2.8 versus light F4 is a reasonable trade off)

But does not solve the problem that I am not happy with enlarged pics from D30.

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

--
...timeless, ordered, simply stated, or even implied...

 

[Adrian Barrera]

And the 1ds blows the D30/d60 out of the water in focus speed. Once you use the 1ds there is no going back to the d30. I just place my D30 on ebay yesterday. I don't think that I can use it even as a back up...the AF is really terrible once you use the 1ds.

Get the 1ds...I did and have not looked back.

It has the focus speed that I want with all the resolution that I myslef will need for years to come.

Adrian

But does not solve the problem that I am not happy with enlarged
pics from D30.

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

--
...timeless, ordered, simply stated, or even implied...

--
Kanon1Ds. Focus speed and resolution beyond belief.

Kmetz 54 What a great flash...buy it now. Dead on exposure in almost all situations.
Kanond30...will be selling. Great camera though

Kanon550EX ..sold...not accurate enough..needs too much user intervention. I want to concentrate on the image not the equipment.

Kanon85mm1.2 Beautiful lens extra sharp. Slow focusing compared to other lenses.
Misspelled on purpose to avoid search engine pickup...

 

[Lee Hammond]

I am facing the same decision. I have enjoyed the D30 but am impatient with the limited AF and want the full-frame. I have some important projects coming up but I do not think it is a good idea to change camera just before the trips.

Aside from the dollar 'investment', insanity or lust, there are some technical trade-offs that are easier to consider. CCD vs CMOS; ISO range, battery life, file size, frame rate etc.

I do not think your being an amateur is relevant. If you have the cash/credit...[besides, a nice Audi costs more than these camera bodies]. As for justification to a spouse, you are on your own!

Lee

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

 

[Iain West]

I too am a D30 owner pondering the 1Ds. I can only justify the price to myself if the camera can deliver the quality of a Medium Format system. If its quality is closer to 35mm film then I can buy a film camera for landscapes. Imagine that, a full frame camera for $500 ? I think the jury is still out on the 1Ds for serious landscape work.

Iain West

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

 

[SwisH]

I am in the same boat as you are, except my boat is a little better I own a D60. At sale time, I was able to afford the 1D but thought it would be overkill since I was a total amateur. Two months after initial use, I started regretting not buying the 1D instead. Don't get me wrong, the Canon D60 is an EXCELLENT camera but not for the daily photographer.

Now, I'm waiting for the PMA (duh) and afterwards will most likely go for a 1Ds.

The Justification...

If you plan on advancing in the field of photography until reaching a pro level, I say go for it after PMA . Otherwise, buy a 1D or whatever seems good at that time.

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

--
Tony.
MyPhotography.net
Canon D60 ~ 1Ds in April!

 

[Larry H. Smith]

WAIT!

See whether-or-not the D-80(or whatever) "up-grade" improves the AF/WB issues, etc. of the current D-30/60

The resolution (as-is, or new-improved) will solve any "dissatisfied with the D30 enlargements" issue, so buy it.(selling the D30 to offset some of the cost.)

And THEN, when a new-improved 1D or a price-dropped 1Ds (maybe because of competitor's introductions) shows up, you will have a more nearly "state-of-the-art" Pro-sumer camera to sell (hopefully at little loss) when you decide which of the "Pro" models is the one for you!

Larry

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

 

[Stan Disbrow]

Hi

...and maybe that will help you some when it comes to making the decision. There are quite a number of things to consider when choosing between the 1D and the 1Ds.

First off, look at the frame rate. Do you think you will have need for a frame rate greater than the 3 fps the 1Ds has? If so, then the answer will be that you need a 1D instead. If not, then either would do.

Secondly, think about the file size generated by the 1Ds. There will be a longer write time for each file onto the main storage card, so the buffer will fill more quickly and flush more slowly. Even at a rate of 1 or 2 fps, the 1Ds will buffer lock well before the 1D does.

Next, do you think the ISO limit of 1250 on the 1Ds is enough, or do you think you will be needing 1600 or 3200? Again, if so, then the answer comes out 1D. If not, then either would do.

Finally, think about the number of images you tend to generate. You have to store these somewhere. Consider the specs of whatever computer you're going to be using to process, print and store the images on. With the 1D you will need less machine than with the 1Ds. You will be well advised to consider a DVD-R drive with the 1Ds, while a CD-R drive will do for the 1D.

The 1Ds image size is required if you want to print large size photos, like 24x36" for example. The 1D images won't interpolate up to this size with anywhere near the quality, of course. If you're only after 8x10's, then the 1D will be fine and the 1Ds will be somewhat overkill. However, with the 1Ds you can easily crop away 2/3 of the captured image and still produce a fine 8x10 print. With the 1D you need to pay much closer attention to the framing at capture time.

Of course, there's the much talked about wide angle capability of the 1Ds. I won't rehash all that, but it is another good point and requires consideration.

Personally, I'm into a slightly more involved equipment change. I'm in the middle of moving from Nikon to Canon to gain the advantages of USM in all the prime focal length lenses (and some IS as well as long as it's here).

I went from a combination of a D1H and D1X to a 1D as the first step. I'm now in the middle of buying a full set of prime lenses up to the 300mm point. My next step is to get an Epson 7600 printer so I can produce large prints, and then finally add a 1Ds as the input device for the printer. Along about the time I get a 1Ds, I also need to perform some upgrades to my computer equipment (i.e. faster processor, more memory, more storage, add DVD-R, etc).

No, I don't think being an amateur has much of a bearing on the 1D vs. 1Ds question at all. The only thing I can think of where that matters is if one can scrape up the bucks to get a 1Ds. As a group, professional photographers would have an easier time coming up with the money to buy one, of course.

One advantage to being an amateur is that you don't have to justify spending your money on a 1Ds. If you can afford to do that, then you do it because it keeps you out of the bars at night! If you want large prints of the kids hanging on the wall, then you know which way to go. Might as well buy a LF inkjet printer while you're at it, too!

Stan

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?

--
Amateur Photographer
Professional Electronics Development Engineer
More info and list of gear is in my Posters' Profile.

 

[Jackster]

If you can afford it, go for it. I went from G2 to 1DS....absolutely no regrets except my Quick Control Dial is on the blink right now and I had to send it in for repair...I feel like a loss soul right now without my camera..I totally love it.

Please help me justify my own insanity and lust!
Currently I own a D30, and am thinking it is about time for an
upgrade before a trip to India and my sisters wedding.

Currently leaning towards the big plunge and jumping to the 1Ds.
I am totally an amature but before you flame me for spending the
money, I have a little logic...
In hind sight, I should have bought the 1D a year ago instead of
the D30 since the cost of a D30 then was 2000 and the cost of a 1D
now is 3800 for a total of 5800, what I could have bought a 1D for
last year!

So my fear is that I will spend 3800 on a 1D now and really regret
its (admitedly great) 4 MP. Same logic holds by the way: D30 then
plus 1D now = 1Ds now!

Shoot mainly landscapes and small children
Want to be able to hang landscapes on the wall (big prints) but no
need to go beyond 8x10 for kids.
Fed up with D30 AF and White Balance

Can you help me justify this to myself and my wife?