No support for Pentax K-1ii DNG in DxO Photolab

Not only do they not support out-of-the-camera DNGs, but it doesn't appear they will.

They sent me an email referring me to a list of supported cameras and it's not on it, which also meant per them "no immediate plans to support the camera body."

Sad.
 
Not only do they not support out-of-the-camera DNGs, but it doesn't appear they will.

They sent me an email referring me to a list of supported cameras and it's not on it, which also meant per them "no immediate plans to support the camera body."

Sad.
There is not much support from DxO for Pentax anway. That's the reason why I switched to ON1. And I will not go back - for sure! ON1 is a great software.
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“Art is not what you see, but what you make others see.”
— Edgar Degas
 
Not only do they not support out-of-the-camera DNGs, but it doesn't appear they will.

They sent me an email referring me to a list of supported cameras and it's not on it, which also meant per them "no immediate plans to support the camera body."

Sad.

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“Art is not what you see, but what you make others see.”
— Edgar Degas
Shouldn't DNG be a unique format independent of the camera ?
It is. But - it stores RAW. The converter still needs to know how to optimally handle RAW from each camera.

Moreover, cameras have unique meta data. One example there is pixel shift. The converter needs to know what to do.
Otherwise, you may try converting your DNG files to "Adobe DNG" with the DNG converter. I know it will convert existing DNG files to other DNG files if you ask it to do that.
Nothing interesting will happen. It is still RAW data.

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/Roland
Kalpanika X3F tools:
https://github.com/kalpanika/x3f
 
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Not only do they not support out-of-the-camera DNGs, but it doesn't appear they will.

They sent me an email referring me to a list of supported cameras and it's not on it, which also meant per them "no immediate plans to support the camera body."

Sad.

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“Art is not what you see, but what you make others see.”
— Edgar Degas
Shouldn't DNG be a unique format independent of the camera ?
There is another speciality of DxO - they allow only files from certain cameras to be processed. If your camera is not supported the Software is dead for you. You have to wait until DxO made the profile for it - and if your software is from last generation you have to buy the new one. Maybe this aspect is even more important than the technical one ...
Otherwise, you may try converting your DNG files to "Adobe DNG" with the DNG converter. I know it will convert existing DNG files to other DNG files if you ask it to do that.
 
There is another speciality of DxO - they allow only files from certain cameras to be processed. If your camera is not supported the Software is dead for you. You have to wait until DxO made the profile for it - and if your software is from last generation you have to buy the new one. Maybe this aspect is even more important than the technical one ...
The technical one is still there. Sometimes. But, in the case mkII of K-1 it is, of course, pure nonsense.

BTW - Adobe do the same.

You need to upgrade to CC in order to get full support for K-1.
 
There is another speciality of DxO - they allow only files from certain cameras to be processed. If your camera is not supported the Software is dead for you. You have to wait until DxO made the profile for it - and if your software is from last generation you have to buy the new one. Maybe this aspect is even more important than the technical one ...
The technical one is still there. Sometimes. But, in the case mkII of K-1 it is, of course, pure nonsense.

BTW - Adobe do the same.

You need to upgrade to CC in order to get full support for K-1.
 
There is another speciality of DxO - they allow only files from certain cameras to be processed. If your camera is not supported the Software is dead for you. You have to wait until DxO made the profile for it - and if your software is from last generation you have to buy the new one. Maybe this aspect is even more important than the technical one ...
The technical one is still there. Sometimes. But, in the case mkII of K-1 it is, of course, pure nonsense.

BTW - Adobe do the same.

You need to upgrade to CC in order to get full support for K-1.

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/Roland
Kalpanika X3F tools:
https://github.com/kalpanika/x3f
I process my K-1 DNGs in Adobe Photoshop CS6. Works OK. And I refuse to go over to CC...
I did work with K1 files on Lightroom 5.7.1 and still do sometimes. Works fine.
It is with the Sony A7RIII that its ARW is no longer accepted by the compatible (and not updated) CameraRaw. I have to convert to DNG first.
 
I process my K-1 DNGs in Adobe Photoshop CS6. Works OK. And I refuse to go over to CC...
I did work with K1 files on Lightroom 5.7.1 and still do sometimes. Works fine.
It is with the Sony A7RIII that its ARW is no longer accepted by the compatible (and not updated) CameraRaw. I have to convert to DNG first.
Yes, I know it works with Lightroom.

But how about lens correction and pixel shift in Photoshop/ACR ?

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/Roland
Kalpanika X3F tools:
 
I process my K-1 DNGs in Adobe Photoshop CS6. Works OK. And I refuse to go over to CC...
I did work with K1 files on Lightroom 5.7.1 and still do sometimes. Works fine.
It is with the Sony A7RIII that its ARW is no longer accepted by the compatible (and not updated) CameraRaw. I have to convert to DNG first.
Yes, I know it works with Lightroom.

But how about lens correction and pixel shift in Photoshop/ACR ?
Sorry, I don't know - I don't work with Photoshop. It was always too expensive for me - I worked with Paint Shop Pro for these kinds of manipulation - most times the RAW converters were enough for me.
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/Roland
Kalpanika X3F tools:
https://github.com/kalpanika/x3f
 
I process my K-1 DNGs in Adobe Photoshop CS6. Works OK. And I refuse to go over to CC...
I did work with K1 files on Lightroom 5.7.1 and still do sometimes. Works fine.
It is with the Sony A7RIII that its ARW is no longer accepted by the compatible (and not updated) CameraRaw. I have to convert to DNG first.
Yes, I know it works with Lightroom.

But how about lens correction and pixel shift in Photoshop/ACR ?
Sorry, I don't know - I don't work with Photoshop. It was always too expensive for me - I worked with Paint Shop Pro for these kinds of manipulation - most times the RAW converters were enough for me.
Whatever.

The point being that it is common practice to abandon users of the previous version. And sometimes it looks like this is an active choice.
 
I process my K-1 DNGs in Adobe Photoshop CS6. Works OK. And I refuse to go over to CC...
I did work with K1 files on Lightroom 5.7.1 and still do sometimes. Works fine.
It is with the Sony A7RIII that its ARW is no longer accepted by the compatible (and not updated) CameraRaw. I have to convert to DNG first.
Yes, I know it works with Lightroom.

But how about lens correction and pixel shift in Photoshop/ACR ?
Anything which can DNG should convert normal files. Some features (Pixel shift and HDR) need special processing. Some maker note data will be ignored. So there is "core operation" and "maximum camera understanding".
No DNG reader should refuse to read a standard file based on the camera which created it.
 
I process my K-1 DNGs in Adobe Photoshop CS6. Works OK. And I refuse to go over to CC...
I did work with K1 files on Lightroom 5.7.1 and still do sometimes. Works fine.
It is with the Sony A7RIII that its ARW is no longer accepted by the compatible (and not updated) CameraRaw. I have to convert to DNG first.
Yes, I know it works with Lightroom.

But how about lens correction and pixel shift in Photoshop/ACR ?
Anything which can DNG should convert normal files. Some features (Pixel shift and HDR) need special processing. Some maker note data will be ignored. So there is "core operation" and "maximum camera understanding".
No DNG reader should refuse to read a standard file based on the camera which created it.
Core operation might not be enough to make a good image. Seems like DXO might have some quality requirements. Maybe.
 
I process my K-1 DNGs in Adobe Photoshop CS6. Works OK. And I refuse to go over to CC...
I did work with K1 files on Lightroom 5.7.1 and still do sometimes. Works fine.
It is with the Sony A7RIII that its ARW is no longer accepted by the compatible (and not updated) CameraRaw. I have to convert to DNG first.
Yes, I know it works with Lightroom.

But how about lens correction and pixel shift in Photoshop/ACR ?
Anything which can DNG should convert normal files. Some features (Pixel shift and HDR) need special processing. Some maker note data will be ignored. So there is "core operation" and "maximum camera understanding".
No DNG reader should refuse to read a standard file based on the camera which created it.
Core operation might not be enough to make a good image. Seems like DXO might have some quality requirements. Maybe.
Not really. In a single image DNG you have 4 tiff pages for red, green1, blue, green2. Anything can de-mosaic them. Then you have some colour information which is standard over all DNGs. Then you have maker notes where most fields found on the K1 are unchanged from the K5 (possibly the K7 ... at some point the ID changed from AOC to Pentax - but the data is the same). Then you have lens distortion, fringing and vignetting which can all be manually controlled. Software which reads in DNG files doesn't need to know anything about the source that created it, it just saves you work if it can read more of the fields in the maker notes.
 
The point being that it is common practice to abandon users of the previous version. And sometimes it looks like this is an active choice.
Sometimes?
Not always.

The ACR has been common goods to all versions of Adobe tools. Up till CC. Now it diverge.

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/Roland
Kalpanika X3F tools:
 
The point being that it is common practice to abandon users of the previous version. And sometimes it looks like this is an active choice.
Sometimes?
Not always.

The ACR has been common goods to all versions of Adobe tools. Up till CC. Now it diverge.
ACR in Photoshop 6 won't take PEF files from my K-1, so I had to switch to DNG. Now I wonder if it will read DNG files from a K-1II if I get one, or if I get my K-1 upgraded.

My point was that abandoning users of older versions is common practice in the software business. I find it sleezy.

Joe
 
The point being that it is common practice to abandon users of the previous version. And sometimes it looks like this is an active choice.
Sometimes?
Not always.

The ACR has been common goods to all versions of Adobe tools. Up till CC. Now it diverge.
ACR in Photoshop 6 won't take PEF files from my K-1, so I had to switch to DNG. Now I wonder if it will read DNG files from a K-1II if I get one, or if I get my K-1 upgraded.

My point was that abandoning users of older versions is common practice in the software business. I find it sleezy.

Joe
"Abandoning" may be a polite term. I would rather think of "sabotage" - which is more logical in the framework of maximum profit...
 
My point was that abandoning users of older versions is common practice in the software business. I find it sleezy.

Joe
"Abandoning" may be a polite term. I would rather think of "sabotage" - which is more logical in the framework of maximum profit...
We have the same thing in hardware business.

Today, if you have owned some gears some years, whatever it is, then the manufacturer have changed batteries and spare parts. So, if something breaks ...

This is caused by three things
  • Technological advancement.
  • Each product is designed by a new team that has no requirement to reuse.
  • Marketing/Business decisions.
 
There is another speciality of DxO - they allow only files from certain cameras to be processed. If your camera is not supported the Software is dead for you. You have to wait until DxO made the profile for it - and if your software is from last generation you have to buy the new one. Maybe this aspect is even more important than the technical one ...
The technical one is still there. Sometimes. But, in the case mkII of K-1 it is, of course, pure nonsense.

BTW - Adobe do the same.

You need to upgrade to CC in order to get full support for K-1.
I have an old laptop that still has Photoshop 7 on it. I recall that PS7 was the first version that had Camera Raw available. That was in 2001 or thereabouts.

It doesn’t support pixel shift and the like, but it will open and support the K1 DNG files within it’s limitations. I would expect nothing has changed regarding the K1-II.

I now use CS6, and it also supports the K1 DNG format, including pixel shift. I don’t know if this level of support will continue into the K1-II, though I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t.

I’m not sure what support I am missing by not upgrading to CC.
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/Roland
Kalpanika X3F tools:
https://github.com/kalpanika/x3f
 

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