M39-M42 adapter stuck inside M42 Zhongyi Lens Turbo Adapter ver II

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i want to find a way to remove it. Any ideas very welcome.

This is how it happened.. I screwed the M39-M42 adapter onto my Helios 44 silver M39 lens but probably not as firmly as I should have because when I unscrewed the lens from the Zhongyi the M39-M42 adapter stayed there.

As it is I cannot use any of my M42 lenses with the Zhongyi. I especially wanted to use the Zhongyi with two lenses soon to arrive from Germany, the so-called ''bokeh monsters' 100mm and 135mm lenses made in German Democratic Republic.

Thanks for reading. And remember any ideas welcome. I do not mind destroying the M39 adapter. I have spares.

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David.
 
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I wouldn't do this as first option, but if nothing else works you might try putting a scratch or a ding on the inside threads of the M39 adapter. Then screw in a M39 lens and hopefully when you unscrew it, the adapter will come along.

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Bruce Regier
Thanks for the suggestion. If I can manage two scratches, 180 degrees apart I could use the devise that I used when I reversed the front element of a Helios 44-2. This will grip onto the scratches each side of the lens. Now the question is, With what will I scratch it 😂


Thanks to your suggestion i managed to remove to add a scratch using an ancient metal file borrowed from my neighbour. With the slight nick in the...
I'd start by trying vice grips, but do be careful not to scratch the elements.
 
Try some rubber bands. Wrap them around say two fingers on one hand, and press outward from the inside of the adapter and try to turn the whole thing with your other hand, you might need to leverage it against a surface.
 
I wouldn't do this as first option, but if nothing else works you might try putting a scratch or a ding on the inside threads of the M39 adapter. Then screw in a M39 lens and hopefully when you unscrew it, the adapter will come along.
 
I'm not sure of the design of the lens turbo, but I think it probably has a screw on lens mounting plate. I'd definitely investigate taking this off before any abrasive options (just don't misplace any spacers if they are present).

With the lens plate removed you have access to both sides and can probably undo the ring in either direction. If it won't move you can cut slots to use an improvised lens spanner without getting muck on the optics.

I've removed the front plates from several of my more normal 2 part adapters - none of these had spacers before hand, but have now been shimmed to closer to the correct length.
 
A lot of the M39/42 adapters - even the cheap ones - have a couple of notches cut into them for just this reason.

Have a close look.
 
Try some rubber bands. Wrap them around say two fingers on one hand, and press outward from the inside of the adapter and try to turn the whole thing with your other hand, you might need to leverage it against a surface.
Thanks for yiur suggestion but I have tried that. My fingers just slip around the adapter.
 
I wouldn't do this as first option, but if nothing else works you might try putting a scratch or a ding on the inside threads of the M39 adapter. Then screw in a M39 lens and hopefully when you unscrew it, the adapter will come along.
 
I'm not sure of the design of the lens turbo, but I think it probably has a screw on lens mounting plate. I'd definitely investigate taking this off before any abrasive options (just don't misplace any spacers if they are present).

With the lens plate removed you have access to both sides and can probably undo the ring in either direction. If it won't move you can cut slots to use an improvised lens spanner without getting muck on the optics.

I've removed the front plates from several of my more normal 2 part adapters - none of these had spacers before hand, but have now been shimmed to closer to the correct length.
Thanks for this and your earlier suggestion and I appreciate the time you spent to help me. As a last resort I can consider it but I am not at all sure I have the competence to succeed.

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David.
 
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Have you tried chilling? Lower temps cause stuff to shrink. Sometimes works for lens filters

Caution with bringing a cold lens into a humid environment, moisture will condense inside and out. Maybe work in a plastic bag.
 
A lot of the M39/42 adapters - even the cheap ones - have a couple of notches cut into them for just this reason.

Have a close look.
You beat me to this observation. With the notches facing outwards (there are only one set of them on one side only) a lens spanner can be used. But the adapter ring can get stuck inside as well as in an “outside” stick. Depends on which is the greater disaster. It certainly will be easier to remove a stuck M39/42 from an outer thread than in inner one.

The user can weigh up which “disaster” can be coped with easier. I might chose that a Z39 (my terminology for a Zenit M39 thread) with a stuck adapter is only the very minor cost of a dedicated M39/42 if it does stick there and the notches can be oriented so that they can be outwards on the opposing device. In fact a couple of drops of super glue on the appropriate threads might even encourage the adapter to remain screwed on to the Z39 lens permanently if that is desired.

Another option would be to cut a second set of notches on the other side of the adapter at right angles to the supplied notches to try and retain some strength. This would give something for a lens spanner to purchase on if the worst came to the worst.

Unfortunately this is “after the fact” advice.

I have had a couple of near misses with these little terrors but have always been able to get them off eventually. Now I make sure that the notches face outwards on my most vulnerable component.

For an “inside-stuck” adapter ring I can only offer the faceplate removal rubber bung. If you select one that would fit fairly easily but close enough inside the offending stuck adapter and then angle it to achieve grip then it should be capable of enough grip to get the little critter moving - usually once they release their grip they are then fairly easy to unwind the rest of the way.

A small strap wrench with a rubber thong is the most effective device on an “outer-stuck” adapter ring. But even the smallest strap wrench that I know is still on the wide-side when asking for a concentrated grip on a very small purchase area.

There should be specialist strap wrenches for camera maintenance use with thin, but strong, soft purchase throngs, but there are none that I know of. Maybe I should try and make one myself. I use these (with rubber straps) regularly for tight threads on lens repair activities. Sometimes even needing two operating in opposing directions. However the throngs are still too wide for some applications - such as stuck filters - but can sometimes be made to work with a bit of jiggling and holding your tongue the right way :)

The theory of these contraptions is very simple and I am thinking that a version could be made for fine work. Prof Hank might even turn his mind to a 3-D printed version for us :)

The secret of course is not in the lever itself but in a very narrow, flexible and strong strap thong. The ones I have a strap that is 13mm wide and 4mm thick. The thickness is not a huge issue escept for very small diameter objects. But the width could be reasonably halved for jobs where the operating surface is quite narrow.

A thin strip of “insertion rubber” is probably best material. I might just try my hand at one when I get some spare time. :)
 
A lot of the M39/42 adapters - even the cheap ones - have a couple of notches cut into them for just this reason.

Have a close look.
You beat me to this observation. With the notches facing outwards (there are only one set of them on one side only) a lens spanner can be used. But the adapter ring can get stuck inside as well as in an “outside” stick. Depends on which is the greater disaster. It certainly will be easier to remove a stuck M39/42 from an outer thread than in inner one.

The user can weigh up which “disaster” can be coped with easier. I might chose that a Z39 (my terminology for a Zenit M39 thread) with a stuck adapter is only the very minor cost of a dedicated M39/42 if it does stick there and the notches can be oriented so that they can be outwards on the opposing device. In fact a couple of drops of super glue on the appropriate threads might even encourage the adapter to remain screwed on to the Z39 lens permanently if that is desired.

Another option would be to cut a second set of notches on the other side of the adapter at right angles to the supplied notches to try and retain some strength. This would give something for a lens spanner to purchase on if the worst came to the worst.

Unfortunately this is “after the fact” advice.

I have had a couple of near misses with these little terrors but have always been able to get them off eventually. Now I make sure that the notches face outwards on my most vulnerable component.

For an “inside-stuck” adapter ring I can only offer the faceplate removal rubber bung. If you select one that would fit fairly easily but close enough inside the offending stuck adapter and then angle it to achieve grip then it should be capable of enough grip to get the little critter moving - usually once they release their grip they are then fairly easy to unwind the rest of the way.

A small strap wrench with a rubber thong is the most effective device on an “outer-stuck” adapter ring. But even the smallest strap wrench that I know is still on the wide-side when asking for a concentrated grip on a very small purchase area.

There should be specialist strap wrenches for camera maintenance use with thin, but strong, soft purchase throngs, but there are none that I know of. Maybe I should try and make one myself. I use these (with rubber straps) regularly for tight threads on lens repair activities. Sometimes even needing two operating in opposing directions. However the throngs are still too wide for some applications - such as stuck filters - but can sometimes be made to work with a bit of jiggling and holding your tongue the right way :)

The theory of these contraptions is very simple and I am thinking that a version could be made for fine work. Prof Hank might even turn his mind to a 3-D printed version for us :)

The secret of course is not in the lever itself but in a very narrow, flexible and strong strap thong. The ones I have a strap that is 13mm wide and 4mm thick. The thickness is not a huge issue escept for very small diameter objects. But the width could be reasonably halved for jobs where the operating surface is quite narrow.

A thin strip of “insertion rubber” is probably best material. I might just try my hand at one when I get some spare time. :)
 
I wouldn't do this as first option, but if nothing else works you might try putting a scratch or a ding on the inside threads of the M39 adapter. Then screw in a M39 lens and hopefully when you unscrew it, the adapter will come along.

--
Bruce Regier
Thanks for the suggestion. If I can manage two scratches, 180 degrees apart I could use the devise that I used when I reversed the front element of a Helios 44-2. This will grip onto the scratches each side of the lens. Now the question is, With what will I scratch it 😂


Thanks to your suggestion i managed to remove to add a scratch using an ancient metal file borrowed from my neighbour. With the slight nick in the adapter I was able to unscrew it easily with my fingernail. I used the other device to tighten the adapter onto the lens after adding a couple of nicks 180 degrees apart for traction. Now the adaoter stays on the lens.
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David.e


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David.
 

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