Main motivation for mirrorless

[Bob A L]

They will continue to flood the market and push the propaganda because it's so much easier and less costly and labor intensive to build mirrorless cameras. Just stick the little tv screen wherever room is available and run the wires to it. They are doing an excellent job of brainwashing the buying public into believing it's better.

 

[Martin.au]

They will continue to flood the market and push the propaganda because it's so much easier and less costly and labor intensive to build mirrorless cameras. Just stick the little tv screen wherever room is available and run the wires to it. They are doing an excellent job of brainwashing the buying public into believing it's better.

So:

• Easier

• Less Costly

• Less labor intensive

And lets add:

• more features and capabilities (blinkies, no viewfinder size limitation, gain up/down, faster framerates, video in viewfinder, etc)

So why exactly do they need to 'brainwash' the buying public into believing it's better?

 

[T3]

A mirrorless interchangeable-lens camera (MILC) is exactly what the Leica M9 is. The principle attribute of a MILC is that there is no mirror in the lens to sensor path. The M9 does lack features that are available in most other MILC systems however, IMHO, still qualifies as part of this genre of cameras.

Not quite. The principle attribute of a MILC is that there is no mirror in the lens to sensor path so that the sensor serves all functions of metering, auto focus, image framing and image capture. That's what all mirrorless cameras have in common. That's obviously not the case with an M9 rangefinder...which is why we all refer to the M9 as a rangefinder, not as a mirrorless camera. Yes, in a rangefinder there is no mirror in path of the sensor, but the sensor is totally blind and inactive the whole time except for the moment you take a photo. That's not the case with MILCs. MILCs have no mirror in the path of the sensor specifically so that the sensor can carry out the duties of metering, auto focus, image framing and image capture. A rangefinder is fundamentally different, which is why rangefinders are called rangefinders, not MILCs. The only people who refer to rangefinders as MILCs are doing it erroneously. Plus, there is that small issue of rangefinders having mirrors, which makes it hard to call them "mirrorless"

 

[Simon Zeev]

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[Bob Janes]

If you are using or thinking about using mirrorless, what is your main motivation?

I am aware that you are attracted to many advantages of mirrorless, but what motivated you the most?

I voted other, but for me the motivations are multiple:

Main advantage for me is the ability to use legacy manual focus glass.

I also like that the overall depth of the camera has got back closer to the film SLRs of my youth.

I do find the EVF to be very useful - particularly for manual focus.

Because I originally shot A-mount the system transition/running of dual systems is made possible by use of common components.

 

[Mackiesback]

I am not really looking to buy any more gear at this point, but a silent shutter as well as a compact package for are a lure for me, not as a replacement system but a supplemental one. I voted size/weight, although I know with many lenses, the advantages are more imagined than real. It's not a big enough lure at this time to swap systems wholesale, but if Nikon came out with a compact body that could use my existing lenses and had decent ibis, I would sure be tempted. After the prices came down, of course.

To some extent, I use my Coolpix A this way right now. I do like the silent shutter and the APC sensor, I wish it had ibis.

 

[tony field]

A mirrorless interchangeable-lens camera (MILC) is exactly what the Leica M9 is. The principle attribute of a MILC is that there is no mirror in the lens to sensor path. The M9 does lack features that are available in most other MILC systems however, IMHO, still qualifies as part of this genre of cameras.

Not quite. The principle attribute of a MILC is that there is no mirror in the lens to sensor path so that the sensor serves all functions of metering, auto focus, image framing and image capture. That's what all mirrorless cameras have in common. That's obviously not the case with an M9 rangefinder...which is why we all refer to the M9 as a rangefinder, not as a mirrorless camera. Yes, in a rangefinder there is no mirror in path of the sensor, but the sensor is totally blind and inactive the whole time except for the moment you take a photo. That's not the case with MILCs. MILCs have no mirror in the path of the sensor specifically so that the sensor can carry out the duties of metering, auto focus, image framing and image capture. A rangefinder is fundamentally different, which is why rangefinders are called rangefinders, not MILCs. The only people who refer to rangefinders as MILCs are doing it erroneously. Plus, there is that small issue of rangefinders having mirrors, which makes it hard to call them "mirrorless"

Well argued with your usual attention attention to detail. Indeed these are the features lacking in the Leica M9. Nonetheless, the Leica is indeed mirrorless and is an interchangeable lens camera. For the purposes of this discussion, I will stick to my claim.

 

[T3]

A mirrorless interchangeable-lens camera (MILC) is exactly what the Leica M9 is. The principle attribute of a MILC is that there is no mirror in the lens to sensor path. The M9 does lack features that are available in most other MILC systems however, IMHO, still qualifies as part of this genre of cameras.

Not quite. The principle attribute of a MILC is that there is no mirror in the lens to sensor path so that the sensor serves all functions of metering, auto focus, image framing and image capture. That's what all mirrorless cameras have in common. That's obviously not the case with an M9 rangefinder...which is why we all refer to the M9 as a rangefinder, not as a mirrorless camera. Yes, in a rangefinder there is no mirror in path of the sensor, but the sensor is totally blind and inactive the whole time except for the moment you take a photo. That's not the case with MILCs. MILCs have no mirror in the path of the sensor specifically so that the sensor can carry out the duties of metering, auto focus, image framing and image capture. A rangefinder is fundamentally different, which is why rangefinders are called rangefinders, not MILCs. The only people who refer to rangefinders as MILCs are doing it erroneously. Plus, there is that small issue of rangefinders having mirrors, which makes it hard to call them "mirrorless"

Well argued with your usual attention attention to detail. Indeed these are the features lacking in the Leica M9. Nonetheless, the Leica is indeed mirrorless and is an interchangeable lens camera. For the purposes of this discussion, I will stick to my claim.

Sure, call the Leica M a "mirrorless" camera for fun and giggles. But in practical terms, there is a clear distinction between a rangefinder and a mirrorless camera, and they are clearly two different forms of cameras. Even Leica understands this distinction. They understand and market that the M is their rangefinder system and the SL/CL are their mirrorless systems, partly to reduce confusion but mainly because they know these are two entirely different, distinct types of cameras; one system is in the rangefinder category and the other systems are in the mirrorless category.

 

[RetCapt]

At the time (late 2010/early 2011) I was looking for a bridge between my full frame DSLR system and my small sensor tough compact. The tough compact was/is outstanding within its design limitations. The full frame system eliminated those limitations, but at a size/weight/bulk cost. So I got a Sony Nex 5 and added the 18-200mm lens (the original silver version) as this would allow me to use one lens for the same degree of coverage I was using two lenses for in full frame. What I did not expect was the level of quality I achieved with this aps-c system. (Full disclosure dept: Everything I print I edit in PSE). The tilting LCD was a bonus, allowing me to shoot from waist level, although I also carry a Hoodman loupe for when I need it. Another bonus was being able to use a smaller, lighter tripod. The result was that I have parked the DSLR system because the mirrorless system does so well up to the 13X19" limit of my printer. The tough camera(s) still get used as I am often in environments too adverse to risk a conventional camera. I can get excellent prints up to 11X14" with the small sensor(s) (again being properly cognizant of the design limitations), so I don't really feel handicapped if that is all I have on-board at the time. I still have my full frame system. I don't want to sell off excellent equipment, and I am most fortunate that The One For Whose Happiness I Live does not compel me to sell toys to finance more toys. Life is indeed good.

 

[SystemAgnostic]

My main motivation was video. Panasonic 4k looks so much better than Canon 1080p.

But now I'm happy with the size & weight, and the image quality, and the fact that focus, specifically for stationary subjects, is more reliable.

So I haven't sold all my DSLR stuff, but I'm moving in that direction.

 

[tbcass]

They will continue to flood the market and push the propaganda because it's so much easier and less costly and labor intensive to build mirrorless cameras. Just stick the little tv screen wherever room is available and run the wires to it. They are doing an excellent job of brainwashing the buying public into believing it's better.

You don't know what you are talking about. LV is better at many things so brainwashing isn't necessary. Optical is better at other things so do manufacturers brainwash those users as well?

 

[T3]

They will continue to flood the market and push the propaganda because it's so much easier and less costly and labor intensive to build mirrorless cameras. Just stick the little tv screen wherever room is available and run the wires to it. They are doing an excellent job of brainwashing the buying public into believing it's better.

Haha, it's not brainwashing. If anything, we've had years of brainwashing that DSLRs are what everyone needs. Fortunately, DSLRs now have serious competition. I greatly prefer the features/capabilities I get from my mirrorless camera compare to my DSLR.

 

[davev8]

I'm a landscape guy and mid-range Fuji and M4/3 lenses out resolve mid-range DSLR lenses. If I had a "L" lens size budget I would have stayed with Canon DSLR. But I don't.

Kelly

i am assuming you are not saying that m43 mid range lenses will out resolve FULL FRAME mid range lenses

 

[chas d]

Size and weight - when I have limited baggage space on aircraft. Will take Nikon 1 most times + lenses covering 18-810 FF equivalent. If I don't want long tele take m43 for higher IQ. 90% of time still use DX and FX - for best IQ, AF etc.

Might consider FF mirrorless but will wait to see what Canikon do - in no hurry to change.

Used to use mirrorless for adapted lenses but got bored with that.

 

[ClaireDance]

Hi there Charles,

I am also a dance photographer making the move from canon DSLR to mirrorless, which mirrorless in your opinion is the most suited to theatre/dance photography? Lenses?

I am currently choosing between Fuji XT20 and SONY A6300, but open to other ideas

 

[Roses]

Hi there Charles,

I am also a dance photographer making the move from canon DSLR to mirrorless, which mirrorless in your opinion is the most suited to theatre/dance photography? Lenses?

I am currently choosing between Fuji XT20 and SONY A6300, but open to other ideas

Most suited without regard to price? Sony a9. You can use the silent shutter full time without rolling effects or artifacts, fastest autofocus available on mirrorless technology today, and autofocuses down to -3 EV.

It's overkill for what we do, but once we got a taste of the blackout free shooting experience with silent shutter possible all the time (barring flash, which we don't use much), there was no going back.

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[J A C S]

It's overkill for what we do, but once we got a taste of the blackout free shooting experience with silent shutter possible all the time (barring flash, which we don't use much), there was no going back.

Poor sports pros, being tortured with those blackouts all the time...

 

[Keith Holmes]

It's overkill for what we do, but once we got a taste of the blackout free shooting experience with silent shutter possible all the time (barring flash, which we don't use much), there was no going back.

Poor sports pros, being tortured with those blackouts all the time...

I've seen a lot of pro carpenters with callouses.

If you think about it, pros are grunts; they made do with the tried-and-true, however much suffering staying the course might incur.

Many of them are scared of change--even change for the better.

 

[Mackiesback]

Hi there Charles,

I am also a dance photographer making the move from canon DSLR to mirrorless, which mirrorless in your opinion is the most suited to theatre/dance photography? Lenses?

I am currently choosing between Fuji XT20 and SONY A6300, but open to other ideas

Most suited without regard to price? Sony a9. You can use the silent shutter full time without rolling effects or artifacts, fastest autofocus available on mirrorless technology today, and autofocuses down to -3 EV.

It's overkill for what we do, but once we got a taste of the blackout free shooting experience with silent shutter possible all the time (barring flash, which we don't use much), there was no going back.

 

[Roses]

It's overkill for what we do, but once we got a taste of the blackout free shooting experience with silent shutter possible all the time (barring flash, which we don't use much), there was no going back.

Poor sports pros, being tortured with those blackouts all the time...

When taking 10 fps shots, all the blinking is annoying. See the difference:

(a9 shooting 20fps, completely silent)

(a7RIII shooting 10fps, mechanical shutter)

For theater/production set photos, silence would certainly be welcome. I believe it is also the case for golf.

Jeez.

A 4k cam recommendation for a $1500 question. LOL.

Heck, go D5! Heck with the college fund.

The public university here is good.

And the D5 can't shoot silently in a theater, so nah.

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