For the M50 junkies ...

[pyla]

https://wolfcrow.com/blog/understanding-luminance-and-chrominance/

"By a convoluted method of trial and error, and lots of testing, they discovered that they could actually throw out half or even three fourths of the color information and most people wouldn’t know it."

Yes its unfair to compare the M50 to more expensive gear, but its seems odd to me that Canon releases such an underwhelming 4k video camera, as its first mirrorless 4k. Wont argue further on that. BTW I wouldnt mind a budget Canon 4k video aps-c cam, but the M50 is too odd for me to warm up to it.

--
"Shoot Long and Prosper"

Just out of curiosity, can you name me a camera at the same price point, with the same size sensor, with 4K with good AF does and does not overheat (I am talking about overheating Sonys)?

 

[MikeJ9116]

https://wolfcrow.com/blog/understanding-luminance-and-chrominance/

"By a convoluted method of trial and error, and lots of testing, they discovered that they could actually throw out half or even three fourths of the color information and most people wouldn’t know it."

Yes its unfair to compare the M50 to more expensive gear, but its seems odd to me that Canon releases such an underwhelming 4k video camera, as its first mirrorless 4k. Wont argue further on that. BTW I wouldnt mind a budget Canon 4k video aps-c cam, but the M50 is too odd for me to warm up to it.

--
"Shoot Long and Prosper"

Just out of curiosity, can you name me a camera at the same price point, with the same size sensor, with 4K with good AF does and does not overheat (I am talking about overheating Sonys)?

Look at what Fuji offers.

 

[pyla]

... I was surprised that you excoriated the M50.

The M50 is another 'half-baked' product that Canon have ranked BELOW the M5/M6. Canon have formally admitted this year that they have been shying away from mirrorless progression because it was likely to "eat into [their] lucrative lens and DSLR market". Literally the same words I uttered years ago... several times since 2013. They also produce some very powerful and expensive 4K video cameras that will take a tumble if they introduce a cheaper alternative. As a result of this hesitation, they are losing sales to other manufacturers... which is why we now have the M50.

Can I ask where you got that "eat into....market" quote? I searched that phrase and cannot seem to find it. I am by no means saying you are making that up, but I would like to read the context of that quote from the Canon executives. Also do you really believe that if Canon offered 4k DPAF with the M50 people would not buy the very expensive 4K dedicated video cameras? Why do people buy the 80D over the SL2? They both have DPAF even at 1080p. Why isn't Canon afraid of canabolizing sales? Why can't they offer 4K DPAF with extra features the higher up they go, just like they do with photography features?

The M5 is widely regarded on this forum as excellent, and my interpretation of the M50 was that, for stills photographers, it offers the same IQ but better autofocusing - especially in low light (one of the few complaints about the M5) - for quite a lot less money.

The M5 is an excellent camera. And the M50 should produce the same image quality as recently released previous models with DPAF. Which means that the M50's only redeeming features is that it costs less and had 4K video. The differences in operation and processing are too small to be noticed by users (according to the latest hands-on reviews online). The problem is, it's terribly crippled with this type of 4K video. In fact, you would have a strong legal argument that it is false to claim that this camera outputs 4K due to all the cropping involved.

For photographers are video capabilities just as important as photographic ones, or is it a minor one? Canon thinks it is a minor one. Many Canon users think it is a minor one.

Why so damning? Have you subsequently reflected and changed your opinion?

It's just Canon doing what they always do: They offer something new while taking away numerous benefits and features without need to do so. Eventually they'll get it right. But it always takes a while for this to occur. Sometimes it takes two or even three years for Canon to learn from their own mistakes.

In the past Canon has said that they did not release 4K due to overheating and battery performance concerns (Sony anyone?) They stated that they did not have DPAF 4K on the M50 due to technical issues. Why do you think they are lying? Can you name me one camera under $1000 that has good AF with 4K that does not overheat?

I haven’t got an M camera yet but am considering either this or a grey import M5 on a great deal.

You should perhaps wait for a model with true 4K output if you need 4K video. Preferably one that also offers to use the already inbuilt DPAF for 4K video focus. If you can get an M5/M6/M100 at a price that is within your means then they'll serve you very nicely. I tend to avoid Grey Imports here in Australia though because Canon don't always support the warranty here so the item has to be returned to the seller... who in turn send it back overseas. Typically a simple issue (which is rare but can occur) may take between 6 weeks and 6 months to resolve. It depends on how good the importer and their policy is.

What would you advise, and why? All advice appreciated.

The M5 and M6 and even the M100 are all excellent cameras with DPAF. The M5 has a built-in EVF. The M6 is slimmer without one. And the M100 skips a hotshoe but drops the price accordingly. People are selecting their choice of camera based on the limiting features of each model. The M50 is slyly being positioned to appeal to Vloggers... although without the DPAF engaging in 4K shooting mode, it's clearly being restricted. That Canon state it is an "entry level camera" shows that there is a better model yet to come that is currently in development. If you need 4K video with all the whistles and bells, you'll need to hold out until Canon produce the right model.
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Remember when Canon was only offering 320x240 video resolution when others were offering 420p? How about when the others moved to 640? It took Canon several YEARS to offer 640x480 video. And that was crippled with something like 29 second clips because of two reasons: Longer than 30 second clips resulted in Video Camera tariffs in some countries... and because Canon would prefer that you bought a video camera . Years later we saw 720p and years after that we were offered 1080p and in each and every instance this was crippled by framerate or clip length until more recently. Now Canon have had absolutely no choice but to squeeze out 4K.... but they've not only done so very reluctantly, but they have crippled this feature by automatically deactivating the DPAF sensor for focus when 4K is selected... and then there's the crop - which appears to be applied two-fold. Videographers are disgusted by these limitations. And you can see how Kai feels about it towards the end of this video (see original post at the start of this thread).
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The best build of camera with DPAF in mirrorless is the M5 followed by the M6 and then the M100. If you want 4K then you either buy the M50 and try to ignore the reduced resolution due to the cropping... or you can wait for another model to be released which will have true 4K. Those are literally your only choices at the moment.

I think if he wants good AF with 4K he should be looking at the full frame Sony Cameras and hope that they have overcome their overheating issues. I do not think Canon will be releasing it any time soon,especially at their entry level cameras. It requires a bigger processor.

--
Regards,
Marco Nero.

 

[pyla]

https://wolfcrow.com/blog/understanding-luminance-and-chrominance/

"By a convoluted method of trial and error, and lots of testing, they discovered that they could actually throw out half or even three fourths of the color information and most people wouldn’t know it."

Yes its unfair to compare the M50 to more expensive gear, but its seems odd to me that Canon releases such an underwhelming 4k video camera, as its first mirrorless 4k. Wont argue further on that. BTW I wouldnt mind a budget Canon 4k video aps-c cam, but the M50 is too odd for me to warm up to it.

 

[MikeJ9116]

https://wolfcrow.com/blog/understanding-luminance-and-chrominance/

"By a convoluted method of trial and error, and lots of testing, they discovered that they could actually throw out half or even three fourths of the color information and most people wouldn’t know it."

Yes its unfair to compare the M50 to more expensive gear, but its seems odd to me that Canon releases such an underwhelming 4k video camera, as its first mirrorless 4k. Wont argue further on that. BTW I wouldnt mind a budget Canon 4k video aps-c cam, but the M50 is too odd for me to warm up to it.

--
"Shoot Long and Prosper"

Just out of curiosity, can you name me a camera at the same price point, with the same size sensor, with 4K with good AF does and does not overheat (I am talking about overheating Sonys)?

Look at what Fuji offers.

Which camera? I want to do a youtube search.

I would suggest you look at their product list. They have an extensive line of mirrorless cameras using APS-C sensors. They cover all price ranges and forms. They also have a very nice lens catalog with their kit lenses being very good performers and can be bought with steep discounts when included in a kit.

 

[Sittatunga]

https://wolfcrow.com/blog/understanding-luminance-and-chrominance/

"By a convoluted method of trial and error, and lots of testing, they discovered that they could actually throw out half or even three fourths of the color information and most people wouldn’t know it."

Yes its unfair to compare the M50 to more expensive gear, but its seems odd to me that Canon releases such an underwhelming 4k video camera, as its first mirrorless 4k. Wont argue further on that. BTW I wouldnt mind a budget Canon 4k video aps-c cam, but the M50 is too odd for me to warm up to it.

 

[KeepCalm]

All,

I asked for advice from Marco because I’ve seen his posts and value his opinion - also because it’s contrary to my own and it’s often good to hear from others with a contrary opinion - especially when it’s well informed.

I am closer to Samuel’s way of thinking on this but the last thing I wanted to provoke is a bun fight and apologise for having done so.

Marco - I know you are a terrific photographer and generous with your time.

I made a mistake by referring to you in posts that I made to someone else, which was ill advised, even if well intentioned. I’m sorry.

Samuel - I agree with your point of view and am grateful to know that others think the same as me.

I’m sure that we’re all experienced photographers so can probably all agree that different people have different needs with regard to a camera.

I’m not sure that much more needs to be said, so hopefully we can have a ceasefire - at least until the review comes out!

Thanks to everyone for having tried to help me,

Pete

Hardly your fault.

I would say it is the case of people grinding sub-threads on having to have the last word in tit for tat fashion repeating the same argument. Seen it all before on the Powershot forum.

 

[MikeJ9116]

https://wolfcrow.com/blog/understanding-luminance-and-chrominance/

"By a convoluted method of trial and error, and lots of testing, they discovered that they could actually throw out half or even three fourths of the color information and most people wouldn’t know it."

Yes its unfair to compare the M50 to more expensive gear, but its seems odd to me that Canon releases such an underwhelming 4k video camera, as its first mirrorless 4k. Wont argue further on that. BTW I wouldnt mind a budget Canon 4k video aps-c cam, but the M50 is too odd for me to warm up to it.

--
"Shoot Long and Prosper"

Just out of curiosity, can you name me a camera at the same price point, with the same size sensor, with 4K with good AF does and does not overheat (I am talking about overheating Sonys)?

Look at what Fuji offers.

Which camera? I want to do a youtube search.

The XA-5 has 4k at 15fps.

This is an entry level camera going for $599 with 15-45mm kit lens. It is more a comparison to the M100.

The XE-3 at roughly twice the price of the M500 is claimed to do ten minutes of 4k at 30fps.

It is priced at $899 body only and $1,300 with the 18-55mm f/2.8-4.0 kit lens (an excellent lens). The feature set of this camera blows the M50 out of the water, IMO. Plus, as a personal preference, I like the rangefinder type placement of the EVF on the XE-3. YMMV.

 

[KeepCalm]

https://wolfcrow.com/blog/understanding-luminance-and-chrominance/

"By a convoluted method of trial and error, and lots of testing, they discovered that they could actually throw out half or even three fourths of the color information and most people wouldn’t know it."

Yes its unfair to compare the M50 to more expensive gear, but its seems odd to me that Canon releases such an underwhelming 4k video camera, as its first mirrorless 4k. Wont argue further on that. BTW I wouldnt mind a budget Canon 4k video aps-c cam, but the M50 is too odd for me to warm up to it.

--
"Shoot Long and Prosper"

Just out of curiosity, can you name me a camera at the same price point, with the same size sensor, with 4K with good AF does and does not overheat (I am talking about overheating Sonys)?

Look at what Fuji offers.

Which camera? I want to do a youtube search.

The XA-5 has 4k at 15fps.

This is an entry level camera going for $599 with 15-45mm kit lens. It is more a comparison to the M100.

Why would anyone enter a system with virtually no AF lenses or lens roadmap or sign of any further lens development. Why have an entry level camera in a system primarily used by DSLR lens owners or manual focus experts? None of this makes any sense.

The XE-3 at roughly twice the price of the M500 is claimed to do ten minutes of 4k at 30fps.

It is priced at $899 body only and $1,300 with the 18-55mm f/2.8-4.0 kit lens (an excellent lens). The feature set of this camera blows the M50 out of the water, IMO. Plus, as a personal preference, I like the rangefinder type placement of the EVF on the XE-3. YMMV.

 

[MikeJ9116]

https://wolfcrow.com/blog/understanding-luminance-and-chrominance/

"By a convoluted method of trial and error, and lots of testing, they discovered that they could actually throw out half or even three fourths of the color information and most people wouldn’t know it."

Yes its unfair to compare the M50 to more expensive gear, but its seems odd to me that Canon releases such an underwhelming 4k video camera, as its first mirrorless 4k. Wont argue further on that. BTW I wouldnt mind a budget Canon 4k video aps-c cam, but the M50 is too odd for me to warm up to it.

--
"Shoot Long and Prosper"

Just out of curiosity, can you name me a camera at the same price point, with the same size sensor, with 4K with good AF does and does not overheat (I am talking about overheating Sonys)?

Look at what Fuji offers.

Which camera? I want to do a youtube search.

The XA-5 has 4k at 15fps.

This is an entry level camera going for $599 with 15-45mm kit lens. It is more a comparison to the M100.

Why would anyone enter a system with virtually no AF lenses or lens roadmap or sign of any further lens development. Why have an entry level camera in a system primarily used by DSLR lens owners or manual focus experts? None of this makes any sense.

If I were unattached to any brand and looking to get into MILCs, Canon would not be on my list of options. It would be Fuji, Sony and then the M4T systems in this order. Canon seems bent on making the EOS M system the Rebel version of MILC.

The XE-3 at roughly twice the price of the M500 is claimed to do ten minutes of 4k at 30fps.

It is priced at $899 body only and $1,300 with the 18-55mm f/2.8-4.0 kit lens (an excellent lens). The feature set of this camera blows the M50 out of the water, IMO. Plus, as a personal preference, I like the rangefinder type placement of the EVF on the XE-3. YMMV.

 

[nnowak]

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[nnowak]

... I was surprised that you excoriated the M50.

The M50 is another 'half-baked' product that Canon have ranked BELOW the M5/M6. Canon have formally admitted this year that they have been shying away from mirrorless progression because it was likely to "eat into [their] lucrative lens and DSLR market". Literally the same words I uttered years ago... several times since 2013. They also produce some very powerful and expensive 4K video cameras that will take a tumble if they introduce a cheaper alternative. As a result of this hesitation, they are losing sales to other manufacturers... which is why we now have the M50.

Can I ask where you got that "eat into....market" quote? I searched that phrase and cannot seem to find it. I am by no means saying you are making that up, but I would like to read the context of that quote from the Canon executives. Also do you really believe that if Canon offered 4k DPAF with the M50 people would not buy the very expensive 4K dedicated video cameras? Why do people buy the 80D over the SL2? They both have DPAF even at 1080p. Why isn't Canon afraid of canabolizing sales? Why can't they offer 4K DPAF with extra features the higher up they go, just like they do with photography features?

The M5 is widely regarded on this forum as excellent, and my interpretation of the M50 was that, for stills photographers, it offers the same IQ but better autofocusing - especially in low light (one of the few complaints about the M5) - for quite a lot less money.

The M5 is an excellent camera. And the M50 should produce the same image quality as recently released previous models with DPAF. Which means that the M50's only redeeming features is that it costs less and had 4K video. The differences in operation and processing are too small to be noticed by users (according to the latest hands-on reviews online). The problem is, it's terribly crippled with this type of 4K video. In fact, you would have a strong legal argument that it is false to claim that this camera outputs 4K due to all the cropping involved.

For photographers are video capabilities just as important as photographic ones, or is it a minor one? Canon thinks it is a minor one. Many Canon users think it is a minor one.

Many Canon users never look outside the Canon catalog and have no idea what they are missing.

Why so damning? Have you subsequently reflected and changed your opinion?

It's just Canon doing what they always do: They offer something new while taking away numerous benefits and features without need to do so. Eventually they'll get it right. But it always takes a while for this to occur. Sometimes it takes two or even three years for Canon to learn from their own mistakes.

In the past Canon has said that they did not release 4K due to overheating and battery performance concerns (Sony anyone?) They stated that they did not have DPAF 4K on the M50 due to technical issues. Why do you think they are lying? Can you name me one camera under $1000 that has good AF with 4K that does not overheat?

Fuji X-T20 is $899 with the 16-50mm lens. Panasonic and Olympus both have several models that are under $1000 and can shoot 4k without issues. Overheating is solely a problem for Sony, and it is less and less of an issue with each new model.

I haven’t got an M camera yet but am considering either this or a grey import M5 on a great deal.

You should perhaps wait for a model with true 4K output if you need 4K video. Preferably one that also offers to use the already inbuilt DPAF for 4K video focus. If you can get an M5/M6/M100 at a price that is within your means then they'll serve you very nicely. I tend to avoid Grey Imports here in Australia though because Canon don't always support the warranty here so the item has to be returned to the seller... who in turn send it back overseas. Typically a simple issue (which is rare but can occur) may take between 6 weeks and 6 months to resolve. It depends on how good the importer and their policy is.

What would you advise, and why? All advice appreciated.

The M5 and M6 and even the M100 are all excellent cameras with DPAF. The M5 has a built-in EVF. The M6 is slimmer without one. And the M100 skips a hotshoe but drops the price accordingly. People are selecting their choice of camera based on the limiting features of each model. The M50 is slyly being positioned to appeal to Vloggers... although without the DPAF engaging in 4K shooting mode, it's clearly being restricted. That Canon state it is an "entry level camera" shows that there is a better model yet to come that is currently in development. If you need 4K video with all the whistles and bells, you'll need to hold out until Canon produce the right model.
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Remember when Canon was only offering 320x240 video resolution when others were offering 420p? How about when the others moved to 640? It took Canon several YEARS to offer 640x480 video. And that was crippled with something like 29 second clips because of two reasons: Longer than 30 second clips resulted in Video Camera tariffs in some countries... and because Canon would prefer that you bought a video camera . Years later we saw 720p and years after that we were offered 1080p and in each and every instance this was crippled by framerate or clip length until more recently. Now Canon have had absolutely no choice but to squeeze out 4K.... but they've not only done so very reluctantly, but they have crippled this feature by automatically deactivating the DPAF sensor for focus when 4K is selected... and then there's the crop - which appears to be applied two-fold. Videographers are disgusted by these limitations. And you can see how Kai feels about it towards the end of this video (see original post at the start of this thread).
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The best build of camera with DPAF in mirrorless is the M5 followed by the M6 and then the M100. If you want 4K then you either buy the M50 and try to ignore the reduced resolution due to the cropping... or you can wait for another model to be released which will have true 4K. Those are literally your only choices at the moment.

I think if he wants good AF with 4K he should be looking at the full frame Sony Cameras and hope that they have overcome their overheating issues. I do not think Canon will be releasing it any time soon,especially at their entry level cameras. It requires a bigger processor.

--
Regards,
Marco Nero.

 

[pyla]

Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.

 

[MikeJ9116]

Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.

Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.

 

[pyla]

... I was surprised that you excoriated the M50.

The M50 is another 'half-baked' product that Canon have ranked BELOW the M5/M6. Canon have formally admitted this year that they have been shying away from mirrorless progression because it was likely to "eat into [their] lucrative lens and DSLR market". Literally the same words I uttered years ago... several times since 2013. They also produce some very powerful and expensive 4K video cameras that will take a tumble if they introduce a cheaper alternative. As a result of this hesitation, they are losing sales to other manufacturers... which is why we now have the M50.

Can I ask where you got that "eat into....market" quote? I searched that phrase and cannot seem to find it. I am by no means saying you are making that up, but I would like to read the context of that quote from the Canon executives. Also do you really believe that if Canon offered 4k DPAF with the M50 people would not buy the very expensive 4K dedicated video cameras? Why do people buy the 80D over the SL2? They both have DPAF even at 1080p. Why isn't Canon afraid of canabolizing sales? Why can't they offer 4K DPAF with extra features the higher up they go, just like they do with photography features?

The M5 is widely regarded on this forum as excellent, and my interpretation of the M50 was that, for stills photographers, it offers the same IQ but better autofocusing - especially in low light (one of the few complaints about the M5) - for quite a lot less money.

The M5 is an excellent camera. And the M50 should produce the same image quality as recently released previous models with DPAF. Which means that the M50's only redeeming features is that it costs less and had 4K video. The differences in operation and processing are too small to be noticed by users (according to the latest hands-on reviews online). The problem is, it's terribly crippled with this type of 4K video. In fact, you would have a strong legal argument that it is false to claim that this camera outputs 4K due to all the cropping involved.

For photographers are video capabilities just as important as photographic ones, or is it a minor one? Canon thinks it is a minor one. Many Canon users think it is a minor one.

Many Canon users never look outside the Canon catalog and have no idea what they are missing.

Of course we do.

Why so damning? Have you subsequently reflected and changed your opinion?

It's just Canon doing what they always do: They offer something new while taking away numerous benefits and features without need to do so. Eventually they'll get it right. But it always takes a while for this to occur. Sometimes it takes two or even three years for Canon to learn from their own mistakes.

In the past Canon has said that they did not release 4K due to overheating and battery performance concerns (Sony anyone?) They stated that they did not have DPAF 4K on the M50 due to technical issues. Why do you think they are lying? Can you name me one camera under $1000 that has good AF with 4K that does not overheat?

Fuji X-T20 is $899 with the 16-50mm lens. Panasonic and Olympus both have several models that are under $1000 and can shoot 4k without issues. Overheating is solely a problem for Sony, and it is less and less of an issue with each new model.

The Fuji X-T20 also has heating issues. It cannot record more than 10 minutes. But in all fairness Fuji are honest about and do not try to hide it like Sony does. Panasonic and Olympus do not have good AF.

I haven’t got an M camera yet but am considering either this or a grey import M5 on a great deal.

You should perhaps wait for a model with true 4K output if you need 4K video. Preferably one that also offers to use the already inbuilt DPAF for 4K video focus. If you can get an M5/M6/M100 at a price that is within your means then they'll serve you very nicely. I tend to avoid Grey Imports here in Australia though because Canon don't always support the warranty here so the item has to be returned to the seller... who in turn send it back overseas. Typically a simple issue (which is rare but can occur) may take between 6 weeks and 6 months to resolve. It depends on how good the importer and their policy is.

What would you advise, and why? All advice appreciated.

The M5 and M6 and even the M100 are all excellent cameras with DPAF. The M5 has a built-in EVF. The M6 is slimmer without one. And the M100 skips a hotshoe but drops the price accordingly. People are selecting their choice of camera based on the limiting features of each model. The M50 is slyly being positioned to appeal to Vloggers... although without the DPAF engaging in 4K shooting mode, it's clearly being restricted. That Canon state it is an "entry level camera" shows that there is a better model yet to come that is currently in development. If you need 4K video with all the whistles and bells, you'll need to hold out until Canon produce the right model.
.
Remember when Canon was only offering 320x240 video resolution when others were offering 420p? How about when the others moved to 640? It took Canon several YEARS to offer 640x480 video. And that was crippled with something like 29 second clips because of two reasons: Longer than 30 second clips resulted in Video Camera tariffs in some countries... and because Canon would prefer that you bought a video camera . Years later we saw 720p and years after that we were offered 1080p and in each and every instance this was crippled by framerate or clip length until more recently. Now Canon have had absolutely no choice but to squeeze out 4K.... but they've not only done so very reluctantly, but they have crippled this feature by automatically deactivating the DPAF sensor for focus when 4K is selected... and then there's the crop - which appears to be applied two-fold. Videographers are disgusted by these limitations. And you can see how Kai feels about it towards the end of this video (see original post at the start of this thread).
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The best build of camera with DPAF in mirrorless is the M5 followed by the M6 and then the M100. If you want 4K then you either buy the M50 and try to ignore the reduced resolution due to the cropping... or you can wait for another model to be released which will have true 4K. Those are literally your only choices at the moment.

I think if he wants good AF with 4K he should be looking at the full frame Sony Cameras and hope that they have overcome their overheating issues. I do not think Canon will be releasing it any time soon,especially at their entry level cameras. It requires a bigger processor.

--
Regards,
Marco Nero.

 

[Dareshooter]

Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.

Canon bashing is the number one sport around here,number two is Adobe bashing .

 

[nnowak]

Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording.

Even though he started with a partially depleted battery, he ran through 3 back to back 10 minute cycles without any impact to the recording. On the fourth run with a red battery icon, the camera shut down halfway through the recording. Afterwards, he was able to start recording again only a few minutes later.

Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.

Fuji gets a "pass"? Really? The X-T20 shoots 4k video using the full sensor width (no crop) with the same AF capabilities as in stills mode. The only "limit" is the 10 minute recording time. Compare that to the M50 with an additional 1.6X crop and contrast detect AF.

For the 4k video I shoot, the X-T20 can meet all of my needs, and the M50 is completely unusable.

 

[averageguy]

Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.

Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.

In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?

 

[MikeJ9116]

Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

Many report it will record longer than the 10 minutes in the spec. Also, it does 4k at 30 fps and with no crop factor. I would take a 10 min recording limit over a massive 2.56 crop factor and 24 fps limit any day.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.

Look at the other specs of the X-T20. It is ridiculous that it and the M50 are priced any where close to each other. It is a far superior camera and it shows just how overpriced the M50 is at this time.

In percentage terms what difference do you think there should be?

I think the M50 is a mirroless SL2. So around $499 body only. The M100 should be $399 body only. The M50 sitting at $779 is insane overpricing.

 

[MikeJ9116]

Great little camera, decent AF, but with a ten minute recording limit. It cannot go more than 30 minutes without overheating as you can see in this test. After 35 minutes it stopped recording. Bear in mind this person was recording a wall. If continuous AF was used then more power will be needed to track the subject and it would have heated up even more quickly.

What I want to know is, is why is everybody giving Fuji a pass, but if Canon would implement such a feature everybody would be criticizing Canon for being stupid. I really do think that a lot of people bash Canon because they think it is cool to do so.

Canon bashing is the number one sport around here,number two is Adobe bashing .

I prefer the the more gentlemen term "critiquing."