X100F vs RX10 iv

[torontosphere]

Sorry to be writing one of these posts, but seriously, the X100F as runner-up to the Sony RX10 m4 as Compact Camera Of The Year? Seriously?

The sensor and performance improvement to the F is at least as big as with the Sony, and Fuji rationalizing their battery lineup is another huge improvement that required a redesign of the body - maybe it’s a subtle difference, but combined it’s enough that an automaker would be slapping “All New!”all over it. The RX10m4? New sensor, move along.

And it’s not a popularity contest, but the X100F will outsell the Sony by what, five to one? Ten to one? More? And for those who buy it, it’s a unique experience that no other compact camera offers, and I say that as a Ricoh GR and Sigmal Merrill owner. Those who buy the RX10m4 will get the best version of the F707 that Sony has yet made, a wonderful alternative to the second f/dark lens that they might have bought for their Rebel, a Nikon P900 for the quality-aware, an FZ2500 for people who want to spend more than Panasonic is asking.

The RX10? Compact / fixed-lens camera of the year? Seriously?

 

[myfujilife]

Sorry to be writing one of these posts, but seriously, the X100F as runner-up to the Sony RX10 m4 as Compact Camera Of The Year? Seriously?

The sensor and performance improvement to the F is at least as big as with the Sony, and Fuji rationalizing their battery lineup is another huge improvement that required a redesign of the body - maybe it’s a subtle difference, but combined it’s enough that an automaker would be slapping “All New!”all over it. The RX10m4? New sensor, move along.

And it’s not a popularity contest, but the X100F will outsell the Sony by what, five to one? Ten to one? More? And for those who buy it, it’s a unique experience that no other compact camera offers, and I say that as a Ricoh GR and Sigmal Merrill owner. Those who buy the RX10m4 will get the best version of the F707 that Sony has yet made, a wonderful alternative to the second f/dark lens that they might have bought for their Rebel, a Nikon P900 for the quality-aware, an FZ2500 for people who want to spend more than Panasonic is asking.

The RX10? Compact / fixed-lens camera of the year? Seriously?

--
-- hide signature --

This explains it (complements of fujirumors):





Some have argued it's compact for a zoom, but then you could argue the GFX was a contender because it's compact for a medium format. I think the definition of compact is compactness and the Sony is far from compact.

Again, I think its a really good example of how the dpreview articles have lost their way and been influenced by Amazon, my guess is the margins on the Sony are better which is why it was picked, a sad reflection of how commercial interests are overriding integrity. It's absolutely ludicrous that this would win.

I think if dpreview want to have any level of comfort from the readers with their articles, they need a serious smack down on these infomercials disguised as articles.

--

Login • Instagram

Welcome back to Instagram. Sign in to check out what your friends, family & interests have been capturing & sharing around the world.

www.instagram.com

20 Best Fujifilm Camera Picks In 2022 – Storables

Give a rest to your phone camera & make a difference by selecting the best Fujifilm camera for capturing your best moments like never before!

fujifilm-blog.com

Fuji XT-2, Fuji X-E3, XF16-55mmF2.8 R LM WR, XF50-140mmF2.8 R LM OIS WR, Fujifilm XF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR, XF16mmF1.4 R WR , XF23mmF1.4 R, XF27mmF2.8, XF35mmF2 R WR, XF56mmF1.2 R, XF90mmF2 R LM WR, XF60mm F2.4

 

[Elliot H]

just like TV: don't like what's on, change the channel

 

[Twitchly]

This explains it (complements of fujirumors):

That’s hilarious!

I’m not sure how anyone could consider the Sony to be a “compact”; it’s massive. They need to create an “enthusiast fixed-lens” category or something. It’s probably a perfectly lovely camera, but a compact it ain’t.

 

[Elyharbour]

just like TV: don't like what's on, change the channel

...to another channel with all the same nonsense

 

[eric333]

“I got 13 channels of s*** on the tv to choose from”

 

[Elliot H]

“I got 13 channels of s*** on the tv to choose from”

must be a B&W set, nice

 

[madsurfer76]

“I got 13 channels of s*** on the tv to choose from”

must be a B&W set, nice

No, just a nice Pink Floyd quote

 

[Ed B]

This explains it (complements of fujirumors):

That’s hilarious!

I’m not sure how anyone could consider the Sony to be a “compact”; it’s massive. They need to create an “enthusiast fixed-lens” category or something. It’s probably a perfectly lovely camera, but a compact it ain’t.

All cameras with a fixed lens fall within the "compact" category.

 

[Peter Foiles]

Sorry to be writing one of these posts, but seriously, the X100F as runner-up to the Sony RX10 m4 as Compact Camera Of The Year? Seriously?

The sensor and performance improvement to the F is at least as big as with the Sony, and Fuji rationalizing their battery lineup is another huge improvement that required a redesign of the body - maybe it’s a subtle difference, but combined it’s enough that an automaker would be slapping “All New!”all over it. The RX10m4? New sensor, move along.

And it’s not a popularity contest, but the X100F will outsell the Sony by what, five to one? Ten to one? More? And for those who buy it, it’s a unique experience that no other compact camera offers, and I say that as a Ricoh GR and Sigmal Merrill owner. Those who buy the RX10m4 will get the best version of the F707 that Sony has yet made, a wonderful alternative to the second f/dark lens that they might have bought for their Rebel, a Nikon P900 for the quality-aware, an FZ2500 for people who want to spend more than Panasonic is asking.

The RX10? Compact / fixed-lens camera of the year? Seriously?

Yes, seriously. You can question the diverse set of cameras in this category but for what is in the group the Sony is as good a choice as any. Fuji tribalism at it's finest.

 

[Ed B]

Sorry to be writing one of these posts, but seriously, the X100F as runner-up to the Sony RX10 m4 as Compact Camera Of The Year? Seriously?

The sensor and performance improvement to the F is at least as big as with the Sony, and Fuji rationalizing their battery lineup is another huge improvement that required a redesign of the body - maybe it’s a subtle difference, but combined it’s enough that an automaker would be slapping “All New!”all over it. The RX10m4? New sensor, move along.

And it’s not a popularity contest, but the X100F will outsell the Sony by what, five to one? Ten to one? More? And for those who buy it, it’s a unique experience that no other compact camera offers, and I say that as a Ricoh GR and Sigmal Merrill owner. Those who buy the RX10m4 will get the best version of the F707 that Sony has yet made, a wonderful alternative to the second f/dark lens that they might have bought for their Rebel, a Nikon P900 for the quality-aware, an FZ2500 for people who want to spend more than Panasonic is asking.

The RX10? Compact / fixed-lens camera of the year? Seriously?

--
-- hide signature --

I love Fuji cameras and I'm not a big fan of Sony but have to admit that when you take everything into consideration, the RX10 IV would probably also be my choice for "compact of the year" over the X100F.

The X100F is a fantastic camera with a larger sensor than the Sony but the fact that it has a single focal length lens, does make it a less desirable camera for the majority of people.

With the exception of being a little too big and the fact that it only has a one-inch sensor, the RX10 IV has about everything most people are looking for in a fixed lens camera and even that one-inch sensor will do a better job than many people realize.

For low light and a smaller camera I'd pick the X100F 100% of the time but for a whole lot of other things the Sony would have to be my choice.

I don't own an RX10 camera but one of the cameras I do own is a Panasonic FZ1000 and the ability of that camera, with only a one-inch sensor, really surprised me. The RX10 IV is supposed to be even "better" than the FZ1000 so, as much as I hate to admit it, that Sony must be one heck of a camera.

 

[myfujilife]

Sorry to be writing one of these posts, but seriously, the X100F as runner-up to the Sony RX10 m4 as Compact Camera Of The Year? Seriously?

The sensor and performance improvement to the F is at least as big as with the Sony, and Fuji rationalizing their battery lineup is another huge improvement that required a redesign of the body - maybe it’s a subtle difference, but combined it’s enough that an automaker would be slapping “All New!”all over it. The RX10m4? New sensor, move along.

And it’s not a popularity contest, but the X100F will outsell the Sony by what, five to one? Ten to one? More? And for those who buy it, it’s a unique experience that no other compact camera offers, and I say that as a Ricoh GR and Sigmal Merrill owner. Those who buy the RX10m4 will get the best version of the F707 that Sony has yet made, a wonderful alternative to the second f/dark lens that they might have bought for their Rebel, a Nikon P900 for the quality-aware, an FZ2500 for people who want to spend more than Panasonic is asking.

The RX10? Compact / fixed-lens camera of the year? Seriously?

 

[myfujilife]

Sorry to be writing one of these posts, but seriously, the X100F as runner-up to the Sony RX10 m4 as Compact Camera Of The Year? Seriously?

The sensor and performance improvement to the F is at least as big as with the Sony, and Fuji rationalizing their battery lineup is another huge improvement that required a redesign of the body - maybe it’s a subtle difference, but combined it’s enough that an automaker would be slapping “All New!”all over it. The RX10m4? New sensor, move along.

And it’s not a popularity contest, but the X100F will outsell the Sony by what, five to one? Ten to one? More? And for those who buy it, it’s a unique experience that no other compact camera offers, and I say that as a Ricoh GR and Sigmal Merrill owner. Those who buy the RX10m4 will get the best version of the F707 that Sony has yet made, a wonderful alternative to the second f/dark lens that they might have bought for their Rebel, a Nikon P900 for the quality-aware, an FZ2500 for people who want to spend more than Panasonic is asking.

The RX10? Compact / fixed-lens camera of the year? Seriously?

Yes, seriously. You can question the diverse set of cameras in this category but for what is in the group the Sony is as good a choice as any. Fuji tribalism at it's finest.

Nope. It’s simply not compact.

 

[Ed B]

Sorry to be writing one of these posts, but seriously, the X100F as runner-up to the Sony RX10 m4 as Compact Camera Of The Year? Seriously?

The sensor and performance improvement to the F is at least as big as with the Sony, and Fuji rationalizing their battery lineup is another huge improvement that required a redesign of the body - maybe it’s a subtle difference, but combined it’s enough that an automaker would be slapping “All New!”all over it. The RX10m4? New sensor, move along.

And it’s not a popularity contest, but the X100F will outsell the Sony by what, five to one? Ten to one? More? And for those who buy it, it’s a unique experience that no other compact camera offers, and I say that as a Ricoh GR and Sigmal Merrill owner. Those who buy the RX10m4 will get the best version of the F707 that Sony has yet made, a wonderful alternative to the second f/dark lens that they might have bought for their Rebel, a Nikon P900 for the quality-aware, an FZ2500 for people who want to spend more than Panasonic is asking.

The RX10? Compact / fixed-lens camera of the year? Seriously?

--
-- hide signature --

I love Fuji cameras and I'm not a big fan of Sony but have to admit that when you take everything into consideration, the RX10 IV would probably also be my choice for "compact of the year" over the X100F.

The X100F is a fantastic camera with a larger sensor than the Sony but the fact that it has a single focal length lens, does make it a less desirable camera for the majority of people.

With the exception of being a little too big and the fact that it only has a one-inch sensor, the RX10 IV has about everything most people are looking for in a fixed lens camera and even that one-inch sensor will do a better job than many people realize.

For low light and a smaller camera I'd pick the X100F 100% of the time but for a whole lot of other things the Sony would have to be my choice.

I don't own an RX10 camera but one of the cameras I do own is a Panasonic FZ1000 and the ability of that camera, with only a one-inch sensor, really surprised me. The RX10 IV is supposed to be even "better" than the FZ1000 so, as much as I hate to admit it, that Sony must be one heck of a camera.

This isn’t best fixed lens, it’s best compact. By your definition the GFX qualifies as a compact. Being small for what it does doesn’t make it a compact. If you look at compact cars, you can’t qualify a small Suv as a compact just because it’s small for what it does.

--
https://www.instagram.com/theoverratedphotographer/
https://fujifilm-blog.com/2017/07/20/through-a-photographers-eye-athol-hill/
Fuji XT-2, Fuji X-E3, XF16-55mmF2.8 R LM WR, XF50-140mmF2.8 R LM OIS WR, Fujifilm XF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR, XF16mmF1.4 R WR , XF23mmF1.4 R, XF27mmF2.8, XF35mmF2 R WR, XF56mmF1.2 R, XF90mmF2 R LM WR, XF60mm F2.4

You may be talking about camera size while I'm talking about camera classifications.

Right now there are five popular camera classifications: Medium format (GFX 50X for example), Rangefinder ( Leica M9, for example), DSLR (Nikon, Canon etc., Canon 6D, for example), Mirrorless cameras (any interchangeable camera without a mirror, Fuji X-E3, for example) and Compact cameras (any fixed lens camera, other than Medium format or even large format cameras that have a fixed lens. these include small sensor cameras or Cameras like the Sony RX1 series, Leica Q and the Fuji X100 series cameras).

People new to photography or people who simply don't understand the different camera classifications get confused about camera types, especially when they're talking about compact cameras but, because these are basically equipment forums and a place where people can learn a lot about photography it's a good idea to use the correct terminology to prevent confusion.

So---any fixed lens camera that doesn't fall into the medium format (or larger) category is classified as a compact camera.

Maybe we are saying the same thing except for the classification of the GFX.

 

[myfujilife]

Sorry to be writing one of these posts, but seriously, the X100F as runner-up to the Sony RX10 m4 as Compact Camera Of The Year? Seriously?

The sensor and performance improvement to the F is at least as big as with the Sony, and Fuji rationalizing their battery lineup is another huge improvement that required a redesign of the body - maybe it’s a subtle difference, but combined it’s enough that an automaker would be slapping “All New!”all over it. The RX10m4? New sensor, move along.

And it’s not a popularity contest, but the X100F will outsell the Sony by what, five to one? Ten to one? More? And for those who buy it, it’s a unique experience that no other compact camera offers, and I say that as a Ricoh GR and Sigmal Merrill owner. Those who buy the RX10m4 will get the best version of the F707 that Sony has yet made, a wonderful alternative to the second f/dark lens that they might have bought for their Rebel, a Nikon P900 for the quality-aware, an FZ2500 for people who want to spend more than Panasonic is asking.

The RX10? Compact / fixed-lens camera of the year? Seriously?

--
-- hide signature --

I love Fuji cameras and I'm not a big fan of Sony but have to admit that when you take everything into consideration, the RX10 IV would probably also be my choice for "compact of the year" over the X100F.

The X100F is a fantastic camera with a larger sensor than the Sony but the fact that it has a single focal length lens, does make it a less desirable camera for the majority of people.

With the exception of being a little too big and the fact that it only has a one-inch sensor, the RX10 IV has about everything most people are looking for in a fixed lens camera and even that one-inch sensor will do a better job than many people realize.

For low light and a smaller camera I'd pick the X100F 100% of the time but for a whole lot of other things the Sony would have to be my choice.

I don't own an RX10 camera but one of the cameras I do own is a Panasonic FZ1000 and the ability of that camera, with only a one-inch sensor, really surprised me. The RX10 IV is supposed to be even "better" than the FZ1000 so, as much as I hate to admit it, that Sony must be one heck of a camera.

This isn’t best fixed lens, it’s best compact. By your definition the GFX qualifies as a compact. Being small for what it does doesn’t make it a compact. If you look at compact cars, you can’t qualify a small Suv as a compact just because it’s small for what it does.

--
https://www.instagram.com/theoverratedphotographer/
https://fujifilm-blog.com/2017/07/20/through-a-photographers-eye-athol-hill/
Fuji XT-2, Fuji X-E3, XF16-55mmF2.8 R LM WR, XF50-140mmF2.8 R LM OIS WR, Fujifilm XF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR, XF16mmF1.4 R WR , XF23mmF1.4 R, XF27mmF2.8, XF35mmF2 R WR, XF56mmF1.2 R, XF90mmF2 R LM WR, XF60mm F2.4

You may be talking about camera size while I'm talking about camera classifications.

Right now there are five popular camera classifications: Medium format (GFX 50X for example), Rangefinder ( Leica M9, for example), DSLR (Nikon, Canon etc., Canon 6D, for example), Mirrorless cameras (any interchangeable camera without a mirror, Fuji X-E3, for example) and Compact cameras (any fixed lens camera, other than Medium format or even large format cameras that have a fixed lens. these include small sensor cameras or Cameras like the Sony RX1 series, Leica Q and the Fuji X100 series cameras).

People new to photography or people who simply don't understand the different camera classifications get confused about camera types, especially when they're talking about compact cameras but, because these are basically equipment forums and a place where people can learn a lot about photography it's a good idea to use the correct terminology to prevent confusion.

So---any fixed lens camera that doesn't fall into the medium format (or larger) category is classified as a compact camera.

Maybe we are saying the same thing except for the classification of the GFX.

There are many definitions of compact. The dictionary defines it as:

Dictionary: Compact camera

1. a small, simple 35 mm camera with automatic focusing and exposure.

The categories of cameras are not fixed, there are a hundred different variations of camera categorisation. For example, you have Medium format, split from DSLR, when I think that MF, Full Frame, APSC would be more appropriate. To me personally, rangefinder becomes a subtype.

I think the categorisation they used wrong. I consider compact to be something that is remotely pocketable, as would a lot of other people. The RX10 is as big as ILC with a lens attached. Thats simply not compact. If someone asked you to recommend a compact camera, is this the style of camera you would think of first?

--
https://www.instagram.com/theoverratedphotographer/
https://fujifilm-blog.com/2017/07/20/through-a-photographers-eye-athol-hill/
Fuji XT-2, Fuji X-E3, XF16-55mmF2.8 R LM WR, XF50-140mmF2.8 R LM OIS WR, Fujifilm XF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR, XF16mmF1.4 R WR , XF23mmF1.4 R, XF27mmF2.8, XF35mmF2 R WR, XF56mmF1.2 R, XF90mmF2 R LM WR, XF60mm F2.4

 

[Ed B]

Sorry to be writing one of these posts, but seriously, the X100F as runner-up to the Sony RX10 m4 as Compact Camera Of The Year? Seriously?

The sensor and performance improvement to the F is at least as big as with the Sony, and Fuji rationalizing their battery lineup is another huge improvement that required a redesign of the body - maybe it’s a subtle difference, but combined it’s enough that an automaker would be slapping “All New!”all over it. The RX10m4? New sensor, move along.

And it’s not a popularity contest, but the X100F will outsell the Sony by what, five to one? Ten to one? More? And for those who buy it, it’s a unique experience that no other compact camera offers, and I say that as a Ricoh GR and Sigmal Merrill owner. Those who buy the RX10m4 will get the best version of the F707 that Sony has yet made, a wonderful alternative to the second f/dark lens that they might have bought for their Rebel, a Nikon P900 for the quality-aware, an FZ2500 for people who want to spend more than Panasonic is asking.

The RX10? Compact / fixed-lens camera of the year? Seriously?

--
-- hide signature --

I love Fuji cameras and I'm not a big fan of Sony but have to admit that when you take everything into consideration, the RX10 IV would probably also be my choice for "compact of the year" over the X100F.

The X100F is a fantastic camera with a larger sensor than the Sony but the fact that it has a single focal length lens, does make it a less desirable camera for the majority of people.

With the exception of being a little too big and the fact that it only has a one-inch sensor, the RX10 IV has about everything most people are looking for in a fixed lens camera and even that one-inch sensor will do a better job than many people realize.

For low light and a smaller camera I'd pick the X100F 100% of the time but for a whole lot of other things the Sony would have to be my choice.

I don't own an RX10 camera but one of the cameras I do own is a Panasonic FZ1000 and the ability of that camera, with only a one-inch sensor, really surprised me. The RX10 IV is supposed to be even "better" than the FZ1000 so, as much as I hate to admit it, that Sony must be one heck of a camera.

This isn’t best fixed lens, it’s best compact. By your definition the GFX qualifies as a compact. Being small for what it does doesn’t make it a compact. If you look at compact cars, you can’t qualify a small Suv as a compact just because it’s small for what it does.

--
https://www.instagram.com/theoverratedphotographer/
https://fujifilm-blog.com/2017/07/20/through-a-photographers-eye-athol-hill/
Fuji XT-2, Fuji X-E3, XF16-55mmF2.8 R LM WR, XF50-140mmF2.8 R LM OIS WR, Fujifilm XF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR, XF16mmF1.4 R WR , XF23mmF1.4 R, XF27mmF2.8, XF35mmF2 R WR, XF56mmF1.2 R, XF90mmF2 R LM WR, XF60mm F2.4

You may be talking about camera size while I'm talking about camera classifications.

Right now there are five popular camera classifications: Medium format (GFX 50X for example), Rangefinder ( Leica M9, for example), DSLR (Nikon, Canon etc., Canon 6D, for example), Mirrorless cameras (any interchangeable camera without a mirror, Fuji X-E3, for example) and Compact cameras (any fixed lens camera, other than Medium format or even large format cameras that have a fixed lens. these include small sensor cameras or Cameras like the Sony RX1 series, Leica Q and the Fuji X100 series cameras).

People new to photography or people who simply don't understand the different camera classifications get confused about camera types, especially when they're talking about compact cameras but, because these are basically equipment forums and a place where people can learn a lot about photography it's a good idea to use the correct terminology to prevent confusion.

So---any fixed lens camera that doesn't fall into the medium format (or larger) category is classified as a compact camera.

Maybe we are saying the same thing except for the classification of the GFX.

There are many definitions of compact. The dictionary defines it as:

Dictionary: Compact camera

1. a small, simple 35 mm camera with automatic focusing and exposure.

The categories of cameras are not fixed, there are a hundred different variations of camera categorisation. For example, you have Medium format, split from DSLR, when I think that MF, Full Frame, APSC would be more appropriate. To me personally, rangefinder becomes a subtype.

I think the categorisation they used wrong. I consider compact to be something that is remotely pocketable, as would a lot of other people. The RX10 is as big as ILC with a lens attached. Thats simply not compact. If someone asked you to recommend a compact camera, is this the style of camera you would think of first?

--
https://www.instagram.com/theoverratedphotographer/
https://fujifilm-blog.com/2017/07/20/through-a-photographers-eye-athol-hill/
Fuji XT-2, Fuji X-E3, XF16-55mmF2.8 R LM WR, XF50-140mmF2.8 R LM OIS WR, Fujifilm XF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR, XF16mmF1.4 R WR , XF23mmF1.4 R, XF27mmF2.8, XF35mmF2 R WR, XF56mmF1.2 R, XF90mmF2 R LM WR, XF60mm F2.4

You're entitled to your opinion even it it does differ from how the manufacturer's classify their cameras or from how retailers list their cameras.

You can call night day or day night if that's what makes you happy and as long as you're satisfied that's all that really counts.

I'll get out of this conversation now because it's a complete waste of time.

 

[torontosphere]

I love Fuji cameras and I'm not a big fan of Sony but have to admit that when you take everything into consideration, the RX10 IV would probably also be my choice for "compact of the year" over the X100F.

First of all, thank you for taking on the concept of “compact” and what it means. You are correct and you’re doing God’s work, but I also support your decision to give it up as a lost cause. But know that I am with you.

With the exception of being a little too big and the fact that it only has a one-inch sensor, the RX10 IV has about everything most people are looking for in a fixed lens camera and even that one-inch sensor will do a better job than many people realize.

Without a doubt. I used the original RX10 for a while, and it was a big step up from my Sony F828. Same idea, less clever design, about the same lens, better sensor and autofocus. About what I expected for the generational change. The fourth RX10 is more better, no doubt.

But now tell those same people who it’s perfect for that it costs $1700USD / $2200CAD and see what happens. It’s not pretty.

For low light and a smaller camera I'd pick the X100F 100% of the time but for a whole lot of other things the Sony would have to be my choice.

It is tempting. I’ve been tempted. But then I realized that an XF 100-400 would cost me about the same amount. Admittedly I already own a camera to put that lens on, and the 18-55 and 55-200 to round out the set, but still.

I don't own an RX10 camera but one of the cameras I do own is a Panasonic FZ1000 and the ability of that camera, with only a one-inch sensor, really surprised me. The RX10 IV is supposed to be even "better" than the FZ1000 so, as much as I hate to admit it, that Sony must be one heck of a camera.

And that’s the thing - I know two people who own an FZ1000, one who owns a P900, a half-dozen or more who own RX100 models, and nobody who has sprung for any of the RX10 series. Shouldn’t the Camera Of The Year at least be a market-relevant model, not just taking an unpopular but competent existing camera that breaks no conceptual new ground over what’s been done a decade ago with an improved but existing sensor that we all knew was coming because we’ve seen it in the RX100m5?

 

[torontosphere]

Again, I think its a really good example of how the dpreview articles have lost their way and been influenced by Amazon, my guess is the margins on the Sony are better which is why it was picked, a sad reflection of how commercial interests are overriding integrity. It's absolutely ludicrous that this would win.

That’s a pretty severe claim, and I’d like to think that you have something behind it that’s more than just the usual gripes that I read when someone’s own personal favorite isn’t recognized as The Best Thing Ever. I’d like to think that, so go for it! Try to amaze me.

And if that’s your personal standard, then I expect you also disregard anything said by X-photographers who get their hands on pre-release gear, loaner gear, or faster repair turnaround; anyone who has affiliate links on their blogs, ads on their YouTube; a relationship with manufacturers, distributors, or retailers, including ‘buying’ gear to review from a camera store and then returning it; or anyone who works at a camera store. They all care what you buy, have a more compromised relationship, or both, than dpr does.

So how about it… do you meet your own moral standard?

 

[torontosphere]

Yes, seriously. You can question the diverse set of cameras in this category but for what is in the group the Sony is as good a choice as any. Fuji tribalism at it's finest.

I’m new here, but I hope you can appreciate my response to Fuji tribalism as much as Shockwave does. I’m not particularly brand-loyal.

My arguments are: the X100F is a bigger technical change, offers a more distinctive experience, and has had a significantly larger impact on the market in terms of sales and mindshare. The RX10m4, by comparison, is an expensive and low-volume model that breaks no new ground over what’s been done for a decade. It’s the best sliced bread ever, but sliced bread is still convenience for the lazy when there’s a good bakery right next door.

Your argument, such as it is given here, is “as good a choice as any.” So what: flip a coin, lol who cares, they’re all just as good as any? That’s not a counter-argument if you’re going to accuse me of tribalism.

 

[Acrill]

They are very different cameras.

Lumping them into the same category means that only one can be the winner, even if they aren't very comparable.