Will medium format teach me to be a better photographer

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I moved to full frame (Canon 5D3) 5 years ago and was very pleased with the results compared to APS-C. I have two photography styles, on one hand I do travel photography and on the other hand I shoot my kids.

I've recently come into some money and wanted to treat myself. I'm looking at either Sony's A7RIII, or the Fuji GFX 50S. The Sony looks like it will excel at everything and I will probably get more "keepers" from it, but I'm drawn to the outstanding images from the Fuji.

I love the technical aspects of photography, so I'm interested in the complexities and challenges of a less automated camera.

So, will moving to MF force me to go through a painful growth period? (that's a good thing BTW). Or should I stop fooling around and go with the Sony?
 
I love the technical aspects of photography, so I'm interested in the complexities and challenges of a less automated camera.

So, will moving to MF force me to go through a painful growth period? (that's a good thing BTW). Or should I stop fooling around and go with the Sony?
Perhaps Digital Medium Format look from older MF Digital Backs shall enamour you to such an extent that you can't wait to photograph. Such exuberance exhilaration surely shall transmit itself to your photographs.
 
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[...] I just can imagine buyers remorse after spending ten grand and having second thoughts for not quite seeing "that amazing" IQ.
That would describe someone making a purchase based on curiosity / lust as opposed to need or convenience. It's pretty elementary figuring out whether or not a camera, lens, or strobe is worth the cost based on one's needs and or the value that piece of equipment offers in the form of convenience / utility.
So, in my opinion when in doubt, makes more sense to go for the less expensive system.
You might want to re-think that opinion...

I don't know why people don't rent from private owners or a business for a "supervised" hour of use. As far as image quality is concerned, you can learn a lot by comparing a FF camera to MF in less than 30 minutes. Take the raw files home and evaluate.

People have to learn to network and grease palms. You can easily find someone at a university, business, or private owner to let you experiment with their MF or LF camera for an hour or two (supervised) for $100-$300. Small price to pay for someone who may not have used the format before; use of the camera and a treasure trove of information from an actual user/owner.
 
I love the technical aspects of photography, so I'm interested in the complexities and challenges of a less automated camera.

So, will moving to MF force me to go through a painful growth period? (that's a good thing BTW). Or should I stop fooling around and go with the Sony?
Perhaps Digital Medium Format look from older MF Digital Backs shall enamour you to such an extent that you can't wait to photograph. Such exuberance exhilaration surely shall transmit itself to your photographs.
Unanimated things can produce certain effects over our souls if we let them do so.

Best
 
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Hi!

Maybe I would like to ask you a question.

"Does buying an expensive and good car turns you to a better driver?"

It is basically the same logic as your question been popped here. To be a better photographer it does not just talking about getting the most expensive equipment. A good photograph comes with excellent composition and knowledge of utilizing the right lighting in order to set the correct mood for the shot. Of course if one could afford expensive equipment will add more plus to your pictures.

When the consumer market got hit with digital cameras, anybody would like to be called an experience photographer. Nowadays using the cameras are a lot easier than before. Most of the settings are make easy to use by anyone. Whereas in the film materials time, a photographer needs to learn how to set the correct setting for the shot. So the concept of been a good photographer, the more expensive equipment means you are a better photographer. But no one can stop anyone from buying expensive cameras. If you have the money, by all means go for these stuff.

A couple of months before, a friend of mine called me to ask me which brand of camera to buy. I asked my friend what does he intended to use the camera for. He said it was mainly to take photos of his children as they grows up. In that case,I told him either to use a phone camera or any cameras below US$800. It didn't matter as all his pictures were mainly seen from computer screens. He does not need expensive cameras. I hope you see my points.

Thank you.
 
Hi!

Maybe I would like to ask you a question.

"Does buying an expensive and good car turns you to a better driver?"
If we are talking strictly about logic, one could argue 'yes' to this. One could also argue that a better camera could lead to better output without impacting a given photographer's skill level.

However, I get what you are saying.
It is basically the same logic as your question been popped here. To be a better photographer it does not just talking about getting the most expensive equipment. A good photograph comes with excellent composition and knowledge of utilizing the right lighting in order to set the correct mood for the shot. Of course if one could afford expensive equipment will add more plus to your pictures.

When the consumer market got hit with digital cameras, anybody would like to be called an experience photographer. Nowadays using the cameras are a lot easier than before. Most of the settings are make easy to use by anyone. Whereas in the film materials time, a photographer needs to learn how to set the correct setting for the shot. So the concept of been a good photographer, the more expensive equipment means you are a better photographer. But no one can stop anyone from buying expensive cameras. If you have the money, by all means go for these stuff.

A couple of months before, a friend of mine called me to ask me which brand of camera to buy. I asked my friend what does he intended to use the camera for. He said it was mainly to take photos of his children as they grows up. In that case,I told him either to use a phone camera or any cameras below US$800. It didn't matter as all his pictures were mainly seen from computer screens. He does not need expensive cameras. I hope you see my points.

Thank you.
 
You guys that live near a rental house can enjoy that advantage.

Don't miss the opportunity to try before buy.
Why can't one enjoy renting even if one isn't physically close to a rental house?

When it come to renting, don't forget about renting direct from a business (e.g. after hours use of a copy machine at a business) or from an individual.
 
[...] I just can imagine buyers remorse after spending ten grand and having second thoughts for not quite seeing "that amazing" IQ.
That would describe someone making a purchase based on curiosity / lust as opposed to need or convenience. It's pretty elementary figuring out whether or not a camera, lens, or strobe is worth the cost based on one's needs and or the value that piece of equipment offers in the form of convenience / utility.
So, in my opinion when in doubt, makes more sense to go for the less expensive system.
You might want to re-think that opinion...

I don't know why people don't rent from private owners or a business for a "supervised" hour of use. As far as image quality is concerned, you can learn a lot by comparing a FF camera to MF in less than 30 minutes. Take the raw files home and evaluate.

People have to learn to network and grease palms. You can easily find someone at a university, business, or private owner to let you experiment with their MF or LF camera for an hour or two (supervised) for $100-$300. Small price to pay for someone who may not have used the format before; use of the camera and a treasure trove of information from an actual user/owner.
 
I reject the notion that the GFX's AF is universally bad or that one can get more keepers with an A7r III. Either of these statements may be true for one person and false for another.
the A7RIII with the eye AF is idiot proof in a way that the GFX just is not....AF will lock on an eye and follow it around the frame even when the person turns away from the camera.....it really is pretty remarkable.....

the AF on the GFX is old style AF, frame the subject, lock on, shoot.....i shoot (professionals) moving in front of the camera and i tell them where and how to move and i usually use manual focus for those shots, presetting the range, AF-C is useless and AF-S just isn't fast enough.....it works perfectly fine in studio or for portrait...i usually rely on the face recognition AF for those situations and it works surprisingly well.....

there is a known issue with A7RII AF which usually comes up in studio, shooting f stops 5.6 and up (depending on lens? but happens with all lenses)....AF goes to crazy slow contrast detection which makes the camera almost unusable....GFX is (even with its limited AF speed) is much faster and better there....

i don't know if this is fixed with the A7RIII....
 
Hi!

Maybe I would like to ask you a question.

"Does buying an expensive and good car turns you to a better driver?"
A. It's not about "better"... the checkered flag doesn't care who's the "better" driver, just who crosses the finish line first. Would you rather be the owner of the 'best' quality restaurant in your town, or a very busy McDonald's fast food restaurant? When it comes to getting paid, I think you get my point.

B. It's not about who's the better painter, artist, or photographer when it comes to getting paid... rather who's the better businessperson.

(1) No, but an average driver will turn a faster lap time (pick any track), 0-60, 1/4 mile, etc. consistently in a Porsche 911 GT3 as opposed to a Honda Civic R, Volkswagen Golf, Subaru, or any of the typical hot hatches. Paying a lot more money doesn't make you a better driver, but it does buy you better performance most of the time irrespective of your driving skill.

(2) Does better equipment and expensive ingredients make one a better cook? ... no, but it usually makes the food taste and look better. An old gas stove can cook more evenly compared to an old electric stove with uneven coils. A 'Burger made with ground round and expensive ingredients is generally better tasting compared to "beef patties" comprised of binders and fillers, irrespective of the cook's skill level.

(3) Will a 1200hp single turbine engine make a person a better airplane pilot? No, but it will allow one to face less life threatening situations when compared to cheaper, lower powered equipment (faster climbs through icing layers, safer altitudes over mountains, able to take off from higher/hotter altitudes and climates with far greater safety margins compared to piston aircraft, etc.. Skill matters... but equipment alone can notably increase performance, thus widening one's ability to get paid with increased safety margins or artistic and compositional options in the case of photography.

(4) My granddaughter can take self portraits using my 4mp Nikon D2hs, yet the same shots look better when she takes them using the 645z; her eyes are larger in the photographs, with irises and lashes more detailed. Does equipment matter? Yes, and in many cases it (lighting, camera, and lenses alone) can matter a lot irrespective of one's skill when it comes to getting paid.

(5) An average photographer shooting location portraits with an 85 f1.2, doesn't yield the same results as the same photographer using a 200 f2 lens. It's not about which lens is "better" but whether or not the more expensive lens allows the photographer, irrespective of skill, more opportunities in the same circumstances to create portraits that are more apt to be purchased.
It is basically the same logic as your question been popped here. To be a better photographer it does not just talking about getting the most expensive equipment. A good photograph comes with excellent composition and knowledge of utilizing the right lighting in order to set the correct mood for the shot. Of course if one could afford expensive equipment will add more plus to your pictures.
Agreed. The problem is that "good" work does't always sell as well as cool, cheesy, camp, or kitsch.
When the consumer market got hit with digital cameras, anybody would like to be called an experience photographer. Nowadays using the cameras are a lot easier than before. Most of the settings are make easy to use by anyone. Whereas in the film materials time, a photographer needs to learn how to set the correct setting for the shot. So the concept of been a good photographer, the more expensive equipment means you are a better photographer..
No, it simply means that with the better equipment one may be able to walk away with better looking shots, compositions, etc., via cropping and post work.
A couple of months before, a friend of mine called me to ask me which brand of camera to buy. I asked my friend what does he intended to use the camera for. He said it was mainly to take photos of his children as they grows up. In that case,I told him either to use a phone camera or any cameras below US$800. It didn't matter as all his pictures were mainly seen from computer screens. He does not need expensive cameras. I hope you see my points.
Computer screens sizes today aren't very relevant; small today but considerably larger in comparison years from now. One must realize that larger screens and monitors are quickly becoming more prevalent. A 50mp image on a large flat panel isn't going to be considered huge in years to come. An cell phone photo might look great on Facebook, but noisy and not-so-great on a larger panel.

While I highly recommend the cell phone camera for many things... the sole instrument of documenting children growing up is not one of them.

Generally speaking, the more you pay, the more advantages you may realize on more than just one front- advantages that can be applied today and the future; advantages that can be realized irrespective of whether you're piloting aircraft, driving a sport motorcar, or working behind a camera.

Kind regards

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I reject the notion that the GFX's AF is universally bad or that one can get more keepers with an A7r III. Either of these statements may be true for one person and false for another.
the A7RIII with the eye AF is idiot proof in a way that the GFX just is not....AF will lock on an eye and follow it around the frame even when the person turns away from the camera.....it really is pretty remarkable.....
That is interesting technology Paul. Does it work well at very wide apertures? When I shoot up close and want to have an eye in focus, sometimes the AF doesn't want to focus where I'd like; over the years I've found it quicker to just manually focus. Obviously there are times when manually focusing on an eye while a subject is moving is futile- which is why I find the "eye AF" tech. interesting.

Regards
 
with the a7rII it worked ok outside and as long as the subject did not move away or towards the camera too quickly.....with a7rIII i have only seen videos online taken at the official sony events....but it shows it working with dancers moving fast and like i said even turning away from the camera....plenty out there to check out....i guess it is the same system as in the a9....and yes it works wide open....
 
i love the GFX but i have cringe a little when you mention shooting kids.....the sony will just give you soooo many more perfect and easy keepers at much more shallow depth of field....AF, face/eye tracking just makes it a completely different tool.....with still a very, very, very close IQ to the GFX....

i am not saying don't get the fuji, and i am sure if you do, the reward of the slower more planned shooting with the ever so slightly better file will be worth it....

i am used to shooting manual focus and used to shooting MF with large mamiya and fuji cameras, i have shot a lot of manual focus on the sony, somehow i don't find manual focus really easy on the GFX....

and to answer your original question: working with the GFX will force you to think more and plan more which in turn will help you grow as a photographer....the camera won't get in the way and is a great tool....the sony will give you more images with better eyelash focus, not sure there will be more keepers....sometimes just pointing the camera and shooting gets an incredible shot....sometimes it just fills the card....

but in general, there is nothing to stop you from being slow, planing ahead and shooting more deliberately with the sony.....you just never have to think about focus....
Yes manual fokus is an important way to be a better photographer. Pentax give you some alternatives with old lenses for K1, 645D and 645Z.

Software is also a very important part of it. There is not very much automatic about it if you really want the best.

Try and find out! Save RAW files from different cameras, convert it to DNG and learn in some of the Adobe SW what you can do. Save it in TIF and learn the effect of different JPG compression! In low contrast areas they are really different.
 
You can also learn a lot from the net even without any camera. But you need some software. You can download RAW files from Imaging Resource, convert them to DNG with the last converter from Adobe. I have just compared Still life pixel shift version from A7III and PhaseOne 100MP. Interesting really. Save them in TIF! Don't think about JPG....
 

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