xpro2 vs xe3 What am I losing with the cheaper xe3?

[elfroggio]

Good to know and something I had no idea about. Fuji doing all the updates is one of the selling points to the system. They dont update the cheaper line??

If there is major bug, they will/do update. They don't add new feature like the did for both the x-pro2 and the x-t2.

Looking at the X-E2 one can see that simply isn't true. X-E2 received major updates all the way to firmware 4.0 and major AF updates.

It was then.

• The x-t10 (which I still have) received nothing except 2 bug fixes
• The x-t20 nothing anounced (but the x-t2 have received updates meanwhile)
• What about the x-a2/x-a3? How many feature updates?
• What about the x30?

Fuji use to backport feature even to older cameras even after being end-of-line, not any more...

 

[Threaded]

Good to know and something I had no idea about. Fuji doing all the updates is one of the selling points to the system. They dont update the cheaper line??

If there is major bug, they will/do update. They don't add new feature like the did for both the x-pro2 and the x-t2.

Looking at the X-E2 one can see that simply isn't true. X-E2 received major updates all the way to firmware 4.0 and major AF updates.

It was then.

• The x-t10 (which I still have) received nothing except 2 bug fixes

The XT10 was the last of the X-Trans II bodies (save the X70) - it had the last best AF system for those cameras when it was released along with all the other refinements the earlier bodies had waited for, and the only updates for the XT1 after that were to (a) give it the AF system the XT10 already had, and (b) to support some new flash features that the XT10 hotshot couldn’t support. So despite the apparent lack of updates, it was perfectly up to date with its peers.

• The x-t20 nothing anounced (but the x-t2 have received updates meanwhile)

The XT20 does have an update announced to give it XE3-like touchscreen features, and I think it’s massively unlikely it won’t also get the AF enhancement from that camera too. What updates has the XT2 had and how many were in the XT20 already?

• What about the x-a2/x-a3? How many feature updates?

What about the XA1? Have those cameras ever gotten significant updates? Truth is the X-A Bayer line have always been quite separated and handled differently.

• What about the x30?

What about the X100S or the X100T? Unquestionably high end, expensive cameras, but no big updates to speak of.

 

[Sal Baker]

Good to know and something I had no idea about. Fuji doing all the updates is one of the selling points to the system. They dont update the cheaper line??

If there is major bug, they will/do update. They don't add new feature like the did for both the x-pro2 and the x-t2.

Looking at the X-E2 one can see that simply isn't true. X-E2 received major updates all the way to firmware 4.0 and major AF updates.

It was then.

• The x-t10 (which I still have) received nothing except 2 bug fixes

The XT10 was the last of the X-Trans II bodies (save the X70) - it had the last best AF system for those cameras when it was released along with all the other refinements the earlier bodies had waited for, and the only updates for the XT1 after that were to (a) give it the AF system the XT10 already had, and (b) to support some new flash features that the XT10 hotshot couldn’t support. So despite the apparent lack of updates, it was perfectly up to date with its peers.

• The x-t20 nothing anounced (but the x-t2 have received updates meanwhile)

The XT20 does have an update announced to give it XE3-like touchscreen features, and I think it’s massively unlikely it won’t also get the AF enhancement from that camera too. What updates has the XT2 had and how many were in the XT20 already?

• What about the x-a2/x-a3? How many feature updates?

What about the XA1? Have those cameras ever gotten significant updates? Truth is the X-A Bayer line have always been quite separated and handled differently.

• What about the x30?

What about the X100S or the X100T? Unquestionably high end, expensive cameras, but no big updates to speak of.

Apparently Fuji doesn't upgrade FW features in their fixed lens cameras. Fuji wants to sell lenses and fixed-lens cameras are dead-in products for future lens sales. OTH, Fuji have a vested interest in keeping their exchangeable lens bodies alive longer with new features that encourage more lens sales.

Sal

 

[havanna60]

I know the optical view finder ... ISO performance and Dynamic Range

You can't dismiss the XP viewfinder. The viewfinder IS the reason for the XP. If you want an autofocus, RF style soapbox shaped without humps camera with interchangeable lenses there's no other choice. If you don't care about the OVF don't buy the XP.

The X-PRO2 has nothing to do with rangefinders, but I am completely with dmaclau. I'd add that only the most expensive cameras (X100F, X-T2, X-PRO2) have dedicated ISO dial, which is absolutely terrific and of paramount importance for a user who wants a really clean, photography oriented camera of a classic style.

The entire Fujifilm line is about these physical controls of old times: aperture ring on fix-aperture lenses, shutter dials, and ISO dials as well as (optical) viewfinders. With an X-A3 and an XC lens, you will get none of these. With more expensive lenses you will have aperture rings. With second tier cameras like the X-E3, X-T20 you will have shutter dials, but no ISO dials. On the top cameras you will have everything along with hybrid optical viewfinders on the X-PRO2/X100F and a very high quality EVF on X-T2.

All of the wifi-enabled Fujifilm cameras are capable of direct printing on an Instax printer, which gives immediate analogue experience. This is the mission of Fujifilm as explained by Shigetaka Komori, Chairman and CEO of Fujifilm Holdings CO. ISO performance, DR: who cares? They are available from any manufacturer; Fujifilm has its own great implementation, too, of course, but it's basically the same as from any recent make of any brand. People are not buying into Fuji for ISO and DR. Fujifilm excellently combines clean, intuitive, classic camera operability with state-of-the-art digital photography technology vs Nikon's failed attempt with the Df. The Df dials were excellent but Nikon crippled the rest of the (expensive) camera hilariously (no video, no tilting screen, weak AF system, 16M-only resolution on a FF sensor), unfortunately.

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[TORN]

The EVF in the Pro 2 feels pretty small when comming from a T1 though.

I stare at a monitor the most part of my day and no matter how big and sharp it is I am always happy when I do not have to stare at just another screen but at real life for a change. I started to use my full frame DSLR more again because it is just so nice NOT to look down that electronic viewing hole and to handle a camera without all those size induced compromises.

Do not get me wrong I do like my convenience Fuji. Mostly.

But as I already said everybody should get his eye to the viewfinder of choice and see for himself.

 

[Derek49]

Apparently Fuji doesn't upgrade FW features in their fixed lens cameras. Fuji wants to sell lenses and fixed-lens cameras are dead-in products for future lens sales. OTH, Fuji have a vested interest in keeping their exchangeable lens bodies alive longer with new features that encourage more lens sales.

Sal

Fuji's website shows 3 FW updates for the X30 and 10 updates for the X100. The 100S & T have also had a couple of FW updates,,,,,,,

 

[John Motts]

The EVF in the Pro 2 feels pretty small when comming from a T1 though.

I stare at a monitor the most part of my day and no matter how big and sharp it is I am always happy when I do not have to stare at just another screen but at real life for a change. I started to use my full frame DSLR more again because it is just so nice NOT to look down that electronic viewing hole and to handle a camera without all those size induced compromises.

Do not get me wrong I do like my convenience Fuji. Mostly.

But as I already said everybody should get his eye to the viewfinder of choice and see for himself.

Quite honestly I don't really notice the viewfinder that much. I guess that comes from working with older 5x4 view cameras where it was the subject that the photographer is looking at rather than the viewfinder.

 

[hobbyist84]

I know the optical view finder ... ISO performance and Dynamic Range

You can't dismiss the XP viewfinder. The viewfinder IS the reason for the XP. If you want an autofocus, RF style soapbox shaped without humps camera with interchangeable lenses there's no other choice. If you don't care about the OVF don't buy the XP.

The X-PRO2 has nothing to do with rangefinders, but I am completely with dmaclau. I'd add that only the most expensive cameras (X100F, X-T2, X-PRO2) have dedicated ISO dial, which is absolutely terrific and of paramount importance for a user who wants a really clean, photography oriented camera of a classic style.

The entire Fujifilm line is about these physical controls of old times: aperture ring on fix-aperture lenses, shutter dials, and ISO dials as well as (optical) viewfinders. With an X-A3 and an XC lens, you will get none of these. With more expensive lenses you will have aperture rings. With second tier cameras like the X-E3, X-T20 you will have shutter dials, but no ISO dials. On the top cameras you will have everything along with hybrid optical viewfinders on the X-PRO2/X100F and a very high quality EVF on X-T2.

All of the wifi-enabled Fujifilm cameras are capable of direct printing on an Instax printer, which gives immediate analogue experience. This is the mission of Fujifilm as explained by Shigetaka Komori, Chairman and CEO of Fujifilm Holdings CO. ISO performance, DR: who cares? They are available from any manufacturer; Fujifilm has its own great implementation, too, of course, but it's basically the same as from any recent make of any brand. People are not buying into Fuji for ISO and DR. Fujifilm excellently combines clean, intuitive, classic camera operability with state-of-the-art digital photography technology vs Nikon's failed attempt with the Df. The Df dials were excellent but Nikon crippled the rest of the (expensive) camera hilariously (no video, no tilting screen, weak AF system, 16M-only resolution on a FF sensor), unfortunately.

 

[Threaded]

Apparently Fuji doesn't upgrade FW features in their fixed lens cameras. Fuji wants to sell lenses and fixed-lens cameras are dead-in products for future lens sales. OTH, Fuji have a vested interest in keeping their exchangeable lens bodies alive longer with new features that encourage more lens sales.

Sal

Fuji's website shows 3 FW updates for the X30 and 10 updates for the X100. The 100S & T have also had a couple of FW updates,,,,,,,

I think most X100 owners would agree that it needed most of those updates - the majority were born of necessity rather than generosity on Fuji’s part, especially as they were trying to establish themselves with the first generation “X” camera.

What’s telling with the later cameras is they don’t really get anything very substantial in firmware - for instance, you won’t find any AF updates in the X100S or T logs, even though they are *both* X-Trans II X-Processor II cameras with essentially the same internals as the X-E2, X-T1 etc that got various such updates and new abilities throughout their run.

X100S owners were considerably short changed, since their AF firmware update basically came packaged in the X100T.

 

[Derek49]

Totally agree, I was just responding to the assumption that Fuji don't offer any FW updates for their fixed lens cameras.

 

[Sal Baker]

Totally agree, I was just responding to the assumption that Fuji don't offer any FW updates for their fixed lens cameras.

I was referring to new features/performance upgrades, not maitainance/bug fixes.

Sal

 

[uniball]

It's a mistake to choose a camera merely by comparing specs. It's a bit like choosing a wife. You can choose the one with the better vital statistics, bank balance and grades but she can still make you unhappy. You need to use both cameras and buy the one you enjoy handling the most.

 

[hobbyist84]

It's a mistake to choose a camera merely by comparing specs. It's a bit like choosing a wife. You can choose the one with the better vital statistics, bank balance and grades but she can still make you unhappy. You need to use both cameras and buy the one you enjoy handling the most.

 

[peter konzuk]

‘You need to use both cameras and buy the one you enjoy handling the most.’

If only choosing a wife were this simple.

 

[borderplatz]

i got xp2, save the money-go for a nice lens

 

[DustyBin]

Resurrecting an old thread to get a more recent comparison between the two given the various firmware updates to both (particularly the xpro2).

Any have both and compared performance? I have an X-E3 and am tempted to pick up an xpro2.

 

[uniball]

@DustyBin

i got xp2, save the money-go for a nice lens

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