Lumariver Profile Designer

[bales]

http://www.lumariver.com/#LumariverPD

http://www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/#features_list

Lumariver Profile Designer is a software that makes profiles for your camera (or scanner), either in DNG Camera Profile (DCP) or ICC format, thus supporting almost all raw converters on the market.

Features:

Make DNG profiles, single or dual-illuminant.
Make ICC profiles, including those with special curve treatment like Capture One requires.
Make general-purpose profiles with a tone curve, using a state of the art tone reproduction operator for natural and realistic yet attractive colors.
Well-tuned defaults provide easy workflows and excellent results to beginners and casual users.
A rich well-documented feature set provides advanced users with detailed possibilities to customize both accuracy tradeoffs and make and tune subjective looks, if desired.
Designed for design
Load and view additional images to make A/B comparisons between different images and profiles for an efficient design workflow (supports white balance and exposure adjustments).
Design custom looks with the look adjustments editor.
Design or load custom curves or use presets in the tone curve editor.
Several tone operator alternatives with options.
Several gamut compression options.
Purpose-made user interfaces to (optionally) manually tune the matrix optimization and LUT optimization.
Flexible — make everything from simple matrix-only profiles to advanced dual-illuminant DNG profiles with multiple LUTs.
Inspect and compare images with a color value inspector supporting multitude of color spaces and color difference.
Flatfield correction to handle unevenly lit targets.
Make reproduction profiles (colorimetric profiles), using a special mode stream-lined for that purpose.
2.5D or 3D LUT (general-purpose and reproduction LUTs.)
Matching statistics for both the matrix-only and LUT parts of the colorimetric base profile.
Built-in support for many of the most popular profiling targets.
Built-in full spectrum reference data, or load your own.
Define your own custom targets in grid form or free-form.
Combine several targets using the multi-target feature.
Lights: built-in full spectrum standard illuminants, black-body at custom temperature, or load custom spectrum.
Simulate color appearance differences in different lights.
Target customization and multi-target merging features.
Tool to inspect and hand-edit ICC and DNG profiles.
Create ZIP archives of the projects including all images and files for easy archival and sharing.

 

[tony brown]

http://www.lumariver.com/#LumariverPD

http://www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/#features_list

Lumariver Profile Designer is a software that makes profiles for your camera (or scanner), either in DNG Camera Profile (DCP) or ICC format, thus supporting almost all raw converters on the market.

Would like to see the profile it creates in the trial but it can't be saved (or therefore tested) without a purchased licence.

Pity. That's not really a trial then!

Correct me if I'm wrong.

--
Cheers, Tony.

 

[Redcrown]

No, it's not a trial. And the fans of this program and DCamProf have yet to produce a reasonable proof-of-concept. I've issued the following challenge twice in the past, and have seen no results. So, I'll keep trying. I don't doubt it is a good profiler, but I'm baffled why the technocrats that promote it won't show proof.

Challenge (Limited to Adobe LR/ACR users) - Post a DNG of your best CC24 colorchecker shot. Post the DCP profile you made. Others can then make a profile from your DNG using Adobe or Xrite software. Others can then make processed versions of the CC24 and run a Delta-E 2000 analysis on each. The one with the best DE-2K score wins. Thus, personal opinion based on the variance of human vision and perception combined with questionable monitor profiles is eliminated.

 

[digidog]

No, it's not a trial. And the fans of this program and DCamProf have yet to produce a reasonable proof-of-concept. I've issued the following challenge twice in the past, and have seen no results. So, I'll keep trying. I don't doubt it is a good profiler, but I'm baffled why the technocrats that promote it won't show proof.

Challenge (Limited to Adobe LR/ACR users) - Post a DNG of your best CC24 colorchecker shot. Post the DCP profile you made. Others can then make a profile from your DNG using Adobe or Xrite software. Others can then make processed versions of the CC24 and run a Delta-E 2000 analysis on each.

Based on what reference to compare? Unless scene referred, difficult to provide an color accuracy metric here, easy to provide a subjective (I like the way this looks better) opinion.

The one with the best DE-2K score wins.

Unless it’s scene referred which would look worse than output referred. If that’s your goal, then the test would be useful.

Thus, personal opinion based on the variance of human vision and perception combined with questionable monitor profiles is eliminated.

Yes indeed, the display conditions would play a role in subjective opinions about the color checker.

 

[exdeejjjaaaa]

No, it's not a trial. And the fans of this program and DCamProf have yet to produce a reasonable proof-of-concept. I've issued the following challenge twice in the past, and have seen no results. So, I'll keep trying. I don't doubt it is a good profiler, but I'm baffled why the technocrats that promote it won't show proof.

Challenge (Limited to Adobe LR/ACR users) - Post a DNG of your best CC24 colorchecker shot. Post the DCP profile you made. Others can then make a profile from your DNG using Adobe or Xrite software. Others can then make processed versions of the CC24 and run a Delta-E 2000 analysis on each. The one with the best DE-2K score wins. Thus, personal opinion based on the variance of human vision and perception combined with questionable monitor profiles is eliminated.

topic @ LuLa actually has some numbers from BabelColor patchtool - challenge : read it.

 

[Redcrown]

I don't understand what "topic @ LuLa" means. Would like to read "it", where is it?

If you mean that DCamProf thread with 78 pages and over 1,500 post, please point to appropriate section within it.

 

[Redcrown]

Based on what reference to compare?

My reference would be Adobe workflow. Raw into ACR into Photoshop. No adjustments other than WB. Same Raw, two different profiles, rendered as ProPhoto 16bit in Photoshop. DE-2K then calculated on both.

What other metric would you suggest for objectively evaluating one profile against another?

 

[exdeejjjaaaa]

I don't understand what "topic @ LuLa" means.

you know, THE TOPIC

Would like to read "it", where is it?

If you mean that DCamProf thread with 78 pages and over 1,500 post, please point to appropriate section within it.

if you are interested, then bother to read and find ...

 

[digidog]

Based on what reference to compare?

My reference would be Adobe workflow.

That doesn’t explain the Lab values (produced how, how many, of what?) which is a reference for deltaE metric. Reference and resulting compared provide a distance (difference) and that’s how deltaE is calculated. You need two sets of lab values; where did they come from processed in what fashion and was it output refereed?

Raw into ACR into Photoshop.

That is rather a meaningless explanation in terms of how you produced Lab value references. And did you produce scene referred before converting to Lab?

No adjustments other than WB. Same Raw, two different profiles, rendered as ProPhoto 16bit in Photoshop. DE-2K then calculated on both.

What other metric would you suggest for objectively evaluating one profile against another?

Delta-E and color accuracy

In this 7 minute video I'll cover: What is Delta-E and how we use it to evaluate color differences. Color Accuracy: what it really means, how we measure it using ColorThink Pro and BableColor CT&A. This is an edited subset of a video covering RGB working spaces from raw data (sRGB urban legend Part 1).

Low Rez:

High Rez: http://digitaldog.net/files/Delta-E and Color Accuracy Video.mp4



--
Andrew Rodney
Author: Color Management for Photographers
The Digital Dog
http://www.digitaldog.net

 

[MauriceRR]

Very interesting, dcamprof was unusable for me to my knowledge, glad there is a GUI now.

Did someone make some comparisons with basiccolor input 5 ? Which is the reference of this subject, in dcp and icc, afaik. Specially for reproduction profiles ?

No profile generation possible with the trial version, for testing accuracy, headrooms, gamut, linearity, and behaviour of colors in softwares like C1.

 

[MauriceRR]

Challenge (Limited to Adobe LR/ACR users) - Post a DNG of your best CC24 colorchecker shot. Post the DCP profile you made. Others can then make a profile from your DNG using Adobe or Xrite software. Others can then make processed versions of the CC24 and run a Delta-E 2000 analysis on each. The one with the best DE-2K score wins. Thus, personal opinion based on the variance of human vision and perception combined with questionable monitor profiles is eliminated.

You can do your own tests and posts your results :

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www.delt.ae

dcp profiles, if they are more easy to make, there is a trick in pp to adjust brightness in ACR/LR (white point adjustment + perfect exposure-or exposure slider-). and (at least for basiccolor input) no flat field correction. It's the reason I won't provide any raw + dcp repro profiles if you don't know how to apply them in ACR/LR.

Here one of my best icc profiles (basiccolor input), on my cc24 target :

But you may judge a profile not only with DE, there is a lot of things to take into account. Moreover, dcp profiles and icc profiles are not built in the same way. Icc profiles are specially dependant from the software you use.

 

[diruas]

Thank you for creating that GUI

The feature list looks great, one questions remains however: Is the programm usable on a wide gammut display? Or more precisly: Is the programm color managed (regarding to display output).

I just tested the trial in on my Dell XPS (9560) with an external monitor attached, and when moving to app to the external monitor I have a large color shift, but my setup and my handling could be deeply flawed.

Best regards

 

[exdeejjjaaaa]

diruas wrote: Is the programm usable on a wide gammut display? Or more precisly: Is the programm color managed (regarding to display output).

RTFM = http://www.lumariver.com/lrpd-manual/

"...The color management engine LittleCMS, which among other things allows Lumariver Profile Designer to have a color-managed display output..."

now if you suspect a bug in it (rather than in your setup) - contact the author