E-M1 Mark II: Text book Example of Rolling Shutter Effect.

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Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

The fast moving tip of the Hummer's left wing must have been readout from the sensor at the same downward speed.

In other words, as the image of the wing tip moved downwards in the sensor from row to row, this very same sensor row was readout by the rolling silent shutter.

K-H.
 
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Ha, I was reading the other day on a site that said it wasn't a problem with BIF's as much with the E-M1 MKII. He had a large slow bird though ;-) There's a big difference.

From the E-M1 just the other day on a Sparrow, missed the head focus, but the wings are really interesting :-)



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I now wish the head was in focus :-)

All the best.

Danny.



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Birds and BIF's ..... https://www.flickr.com/photos/124733969@N06/sets/
The need for speed ..... https://www.flickr.com/photos/130646821@N03/
 
Many thanks Danny for that stunning example!

Karl-Heinz.
 
you see the same effect with bee's wings too, "arty" effect :)
 
Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

The fast moving tip of the Hummer's left wing must have been readout from the sensor at the same downward speed.

In other words, as the image of the wing tip moved downwards in the sensor from row to row, this very same sensor row was readout by the rolling silent shutter.

K-H.
I still can't understand why we don't get similar examples with mechanical shutter... it still takes around 1/250th - 1/320th of a second for the shutter curtain to cross the sensor and I would have thought some humming bird wings would be fast enough to cause a problem.

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Photo Pete
 
Thanks Brian. I would love to see an image of that. TIA.

K-H.
 
Thanks Photo Pete. The mechanical shutter seems just fast enough so that the rolling shutter effect is not pronounced enough to be noticed.

K-H.
 
here we are, bee with curled wing

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just a few examples
Thanks Brian. I would love to see an image of that. TIA.

K-H.


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Yup Brian, thank you. Great shots though. :-)

K-H.
 
Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

The fast moving tip of the Hummer's left wing must have been readout from the sensor at the same downward speed.

In other words, as the image of the wing tip moved downwards in the sensor from row to row, this very same sensor row was readout by the rolling silent shutter.

K-H.
I still can't understand why we don't get similar examples with mechanical shutter... it still takes around 1/250th - 1/320th of a second for the shutter curtain to cross the sensor and I would have thought some humming bird wings would be fast enough to cause a problem.

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Photo Pete
It takes longer with e shutter. 1/60 from memory so that's 4 times slower at the least. Think when we get to 1/250 or 1/320 speeds we will all be cheering. Id'e just like to see some shutter sound emulation ;-)

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Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

The fast moving tip of the Hummer's left wing must have been readout from the sensor at the same downward speed.

In other words, as the image of the wing tip moved downwards in the sensor from row to row, this very same sensor row was readout by the rolling silent shutter.

K-H.
I still can't understand why we don't get similar examples with mechanical shutter... it still takes around 1/250th - 1/320th of a second for the shutter curtain to cross the sensor and I would have thought some humming bird wings would be fast enough to cause a problem.

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Have Fun
Photo Pete
It takes longer with e shutter. 1/60 from memory so that's 3_4 times slower

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[URL]http://www.flickr.com/photos/14869355@N07/ [/url]
In the example above wouldn't that still be significant? Surely the streak caused by the wing tip would just be 3-4x shorter?... or is there something elso going on?

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Have Fun
Photo Pete
 
Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

Rolling Silent Shutter Hummer Salute! E-M1.2 + 300/4 PRO @ ISO 5000, f/5.6, 1/2000s

The fast moving tip of the Hummer's left wing must have been readout from the sensor at the same downward speed.

In other words, as the image of the wing tip moved downwards in the sensor from row to row, this very same sensor row was readout by the rolling silent shutter.

K-H.
I still can't understand why we don't get similar examples with mechanical shutter... it still takes around 1/250th - 1/320th of a second for the shutter curtain to cross the sensor and I would have thought some humming bird wings would be fast enough to cause a problem.

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Have Fun
Photo Pete
It takes longer with e shutter. 1/60 from memory so that's 3_4 times slower

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[URL]http://www.flickr.com/photos/14869355@N07/ [/url]
In the example above wouldn't that still be significant? Surely the streak caused by the wing tip would just be 3-4x shorter?... or is there something elso going on?
Sorry i edited my message, had to jump on the pc to do so as my phone wouldnt allow me to edit, 5 minute delay . The effect is there when you look at wing tips etc but its very minimal and looks almost natural at times. I would think its something to do with the way the pixels are read compared to a natural flowing curtain

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Photo Pete
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compared to the mark 1 and other eshutter implementations..

it seems we have to find the more extreme situations that essential guarantee it will appear to get examples.... hummingbirds is definitely one.... pro men's elite players and max racket head speed can also cause it to be captured... the women less so,as they don't get enough racket speed up
 

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