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Hi! I realize this is "yet another" this-camera vs that-camera thread.. But none of the ones out there (that I've found) seem to speak precisely to my situation. I apologize if this should've been posted to the general advice forum, but I wanted to make sure to get advice from Nikon FX folks.

My current gear:

D7000

18-55 DX kit lens

50mm 1.8D

28mm 2.8 manual focus

And, anticipating my coming FX purchase, I recently ordered the 18-35 G.

I have wanted an FX camera for years.... I once went to a concert with a friend who had a D700, and I was so jealous of her low light abilities. Finally, FX bodies are in my price range!

However I don't usually shoot concerts; my main hobby is landscapes, specifically long exposures. I usually stack two 9-stop ND filters onto my 18-55 lens. I will probably get a Lee system eventually with a Super Stopper. But that's beside the point. Anyway, I also shoot a lot of pictures of my kids, cats, and whatever else. I have done a couple of shoots for people (album cover for a band, engagement shoot for a couple, etc.).

The cameras that most interest me are the D610 (refurb $1100), D800 (used around $1200), and D750 (a budget stretch for me... probably won't do this). I occasionally toy with the idea of picking up a used D700 for $700, but since I don't buy cameras that often, I might as well get a newer sensor while I'm at it.

So here's what's on my mind, and I'm going to go stream-of-consciousness:

I know the D800 is a superior camera, and an amazing deal for the price. I'd feel pretty cool owning that hunk of machinery, and hey, that's a big part of the hobby, right? But would the heft of it keep me from pulling it out around the house? Would my not-quite-pro lenses hold up to the D800 (the 50 and the 18-35 I hear are probably decent on it)? Is my tripod even good enough for it (a $1-200 Slik)? If I get one on Craigslist, how do I make sure it's not one of the ones with focus issues, or whatever other hidden problems?

With the D610 I'd get a warranty. But, I've never had to use a warranty, yet. The smaller file sizes would be easier for me on my less-than-amazing computer setup. As for resale value, I foresee the 800 holding its value longer, maybe because its original MSRP was much higher. But maybe that's not worth caring about. I don't care that it doesn't have the LE shutter curtain.. I'm fine using the little clip-on.

I will be happy with whichever one I choose. I think if I had to boil it down, it's:

I want the 800, but I'm worried about huge files and maybe buying a used lemon. On the other hand, I'm no pro, and the 610 is more than enough camera for me (I'm even a little *afraid* of the 800, like it's too much for me), but the obsessive in me wants "the best" and might instantly think "should I have gotten the 800? damn. And now my new 610 just did its off-the-lot depreciation." Will I actually think that? Probably not. I'm just going through my neurotic analysis paralysis. AHH!

Thank you all for reading this! :-)
 
I'm an enthusiastic amateur who does a shooting about every week but the shutter count on my D800 is still only about 49000. To get to 90000 on the D800E is some serious going.

The D800 is already a brilliant camera. The D800E has more definition but it seems like the killer is the D810. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I think you'll be very impressed with the D800.
 
I'm an enthusiastic amateur who does a shooting about every week but the shutter count on my D800 is still only about 49000. To get to 90000 on the D800E is some serious going.

The D800 is already a brilliant camera. The D800E has more definition but it seems like the killer is the D810. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I think you'll be very impressed with the D800.
Also, you'll have to upgrade your computer to work on huge files.
 
Hi! I realize this is "yet another" this-camera vs that-camera thread.. But none of the ones out there (that I've found) seem to speak precisely to my situation. I apologize if this should've been posted to the general advice forum, but I wanted to make sure to get advice from Nikon FX folks.

My current gear:

D7000

18-55 DX kit lens

50mm 1.8D

28mm 2.8 manual focus

And, anticipating my coming FX purchase, I recently ordered the 18-35 G.

I have wanted an FX camera for years.... I once went to a concert with a friend who had a D700, and I was so jealous of her low light abilities. Finally, FX bodies are in my price range!

However I don't usually shoot concerts; my main hobby is landscapes, specifically long exposures. I usually stack two 9-stop ND filters onto my 18-55 lens. I will probably get a Lee system eventually with a Super Stopper. But that's beside the point. Anyway, I also shoot a lot of pictures of my kids, cats, and whatever else. I have done a couple of shoots for people (album cover for a band, engagement shoot for a couple, etc.).

The cameras that most interest me are the D610 (refurb $1100), D800 (used around $1200), and D750 (a budget stretch for me... probably won't do this). I occasionally toy with the idea of picking up a used D700 for $700, but since I don't buy cameras that often, I might as well get a newer sensor while I'm at it.

So here's what's on my mind, and I'm going to go stream-of-consciousness:

I know the D800 is a superior camera, and an amazing deal for the price. I'd feel pretty cool owning that hunk of machinery, and hey, that's a big part of the hobby, right? But would the heft of it keep me from pulling it out around the house? Would my not-quite-pro lenses hold up to the D800 (the 50 and the 18-35 I hear are probably decent on it)? Is my tripod even good enough for it (a $1-200 Slik)? If I get one on Craigslist, how do I make sure it's not one of the ones with focus issues, or whatever other hidden problems?

With the D610 I'd get a warranty. But, I've never had to use a warranty, yet. The smaller file sizes would be easier for me on my less-than-amazing computer setup. As for resale value, I foresee the 800 holding its value longer, maybe because its original MSRP was much higher. But maybe that's not worth caring about. I don't care that it doesn't have the LE shutter curtain.. I'm fine using the little clip-on.

I will be happy with whichever one I choose. I think if I had to boil it down, it's:

I want the 800, but I'm worried about huge files and maybe buying a used lemon. On the other hand, I'm no pro, and the 610 is more than enough camera for me (I'm even a little *afraid* of the 800, like it's too much for me), but the obsessive in me wants "the best" and might instantly think "should I have gotten the 800? damn. And now my new 610 just did its off-the-lot depreciation." Will I actually think that? Probably not. I'm just going through my neurotic analysis paralysis. AHH!

Thank you all for reading this! :-)
I hate to say this however I would switch systems before you get too deep into Nikon.
 
In terms of low light autofocus performance the D7200 is vastly better than the D700 and actually provides 99% of the performance of the D750.

Nikon introduced a new AF system in 2007 with the D3s and although it has been refined, it was not truly updated until the recent arrival of that provided with the D5 and D500. Unless you are in a great hurry to buy a camera I would wait for the next generation of cameras which will have this new autofocus system. That includes the D630, D7300, D760, etc.
 
(I'm even a little *afraid* of the 800, like it's too much for me), but the obsessive in me wants "the best" and might instantly think "should I have gotten the 800?
There's your answer. The main reason anyone buys the D810 is that they simply want the best IQ on the planet without going to a $30k large format system.
you forgot the 5Ds, many more pixels than the d800
This sounds like you. So don't muck around with a D800, buy a D810 while the prices are low pending possible announcement of the D820. They might drift up again when people find out that Nikon is now concentrating on weird mirrorless and 'Mission pointlessness' cameras.

It'll work fine with whatever lenses you stick on it, and give you latitude to get better lenses if you desire/can afford to.

The file sizes are easy to stay on top of with any computer bought in the last five years.

If you get the D800 you'll be forever wondering whether ISO 64 wouldn't be so much better than your paltry base ISO 100.
 
In terms of low light autofocus performance the D7200 is vastly better than the D700 and actually provides 99% of the performance of the D750.

Nikon introduced a new AF system in 2007 with the D3s
you mean d3
and although it has been refined, it was not truly updated until the recent arrival of that provided with the D5 and D500. Unless you are in a great hurry to buy a camera I would wait for the next generation of cameras which will have this new autofocus system. That includes the D630,
d620
D7300, D760, etc.
my guess is no d760 because the d750 is barely more than a d600 and is the camera nikon didn't want to make
--
“A person who thinks about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not a Christian” Pope Francis
 
my guess is no d760 because the d750 is barely more than a d600 and is the camera nikon didn't want to make
Could you elaborate on this??? Do you have any proof that Nikon were actually against making it? Or is this speculation?

It seems that the D750 was Nikon's long-awaited "answer" to the Canon 5D / 5D II line of cameras which, to my understanding, were quite popular and healthy sellers for Canon.
 
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Hi all,

I ended up buying a used D800 from my local shop yesterday. It's amazing! The 50mm 1.8D is great on it, and so is the 18-35 G. This old 24mm 2.8 MF lens I have is also pretty great. I can't believe how much I can zoom in and still see detail. Ahh... Thank you all for the advice!

The big files don't seem to be too bad on my computer.

I took some pics of my cats and kids last night indoors with just a lamp on -- photos that would've been too blurry or noisy on the d7000, look *fine* and even awesome on this one.

One of the nice bonuses (that I kind of foresaw) is that I can use the 50 as a "normal" fast lens. It's the one I'm keeping on around the house. The wide zoom will come with on landscape outings, soon.... (I'll post something when I get a chance!)
 
Congrats!

Should you later want a longer "landscape lens", consider the Nikkor 70-200mm f/4. Would make a nice and light three-lens setup with your wide and the 50mm!

Glad you didn't follow this strange advice - and when your files begin to come in, you'll most definitely be glad too!
BillyBobSenna wrote... I hate to say this however I would switch systems before you get too deep into Nikon.
 
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Congrats!

Should you later want a longer "landscape lens", consider the Nikkor 70-200mm f/4. Would make a nice and light three-lens setup with your wide and the 50mm!

Glad you didn't follow this strange advice - and when your files begin to come in, you'll most definitely be glad too!
BillyBobSenna wrote... I hate to say this however I would switch systems before you get too deep into Nikon.
I love my Nikon gear however if I was starting today I would be looking elsewhere. I may be just a hack photographer however I have also heard this advice to new photographers from very respected professionals. I don't think it is strange.
 
As you are on a budget have you thought about staying DX - to get better low light performance for your money.

As you D7000 is a generation ahead of the long in the tooth D700 and with more MP if you technique is good low light performance should not be much behind a D700.

A D7100 second hand is 2 generations ahead, and a D7200 3 generations ahead.

As a rule of thumb on high ISO noise DX is about 1 generation behind FX.

For your landscape work at 100-200 ISO there is effectively no noise difference between D610 and D7200.
 
Sorry, but DX hasn't caught up with FX noise wise just because you advance a couple of model numbers.
With respect many disagree, and just about everybody who uses DX alongside FX quickly learns the message you propound is a myth :(

There is no to negligible noise difference between DX and FX, technology for technology, to around 800 ISO.
 

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