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On topic of cat-eyes
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The highlights in the background bokeh are oval (cat's eye) shaped rather than circular.
Frankly the circle vs oval debate reminds me of that old Star Trek TV episode where two sets of two-toned aliens were battling because group one was black on the left and white on the right while group two was black on the right and white on the left.
Frankly the circle vs oval debate reminds me of that old Star Trek TV episode where two sets of two-toned aliens were battling because group one was black on the left and white on the right while group two was black on the right and white on the left.
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Therefore the "apparently"Interesting link! But this is NOT sound - it is electromagnetic waves (i.e. light) that NASA transcoded to make it sound like sound.
these -likely heterodyning in some cases- does not stop "sounding" amazing anyways... --
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Here is one example of what they look for in lenses:
http://www.thehurlblog.com/xeen-135mm-lens-review-cinematography/
That cinematographer is Shane Hurlbut (Terminator Salvation, greatest Game Ever Played, Need For Speed). Interestingly all Cooke lens examples I have seen have stop sign like bokeh, instead of smooth balls.
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Interesting post Alex!Personally never bothered me one way or another much until I started to pay closer attention to it, probably because it's the one topics that comes up a lot on forums like this one. Batis, GM, Loxia all exhibit the look. I was actually surprised how much the GM has it. Some hate it, some don't care one way or another, etc. I go back and forth of what I think of this myself all the time.
Anyway, last night I was rewatching ARRIVAL (work of art, imho) and instantly picked up on the "dreaded" cat-eyes and the onion rings. The fact that I was aware of these irrelevant details is what annoyed me. I was distracted, but not because there was anything wrong with the image, but because I started to analyze the look more than I should.
Cameras: ARRI Alexa XT Plus, RED Epic Dragon
Lensesanavision Primo, Primo V, Leica Summilux-C, and Angenieux Optimo lenses
Budget: $47mil
This obviously doesn't prove anything, but maybe a good reminder that while we obsess over these sort of things to the nth degree, at the end of the day it's the subject, story, and emotion that they invoke are what does it for the viewer. Noting new here, but maybe helps to keep things in perspective.
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I just saw this movie myself. The very good news for me is I was so engrossed in the storyline I never noticed the cat eye bokeh and hope I never get to the point where I can't enjoy a movie or photo due to the shape of the bokeh balls! Amy Adams IMO delivers a more than memorable peformance.
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Aw, c'mon! Defining electromagnetic energy in the same frequency range in which we can hear acoustic vibrations as "sound"?
Does anybody have trouble sleeping under an electric blanket because it's so noisy?
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My wife and I watched it last night, because of this thread. We liked it. We probably never would have thought to see it if it hadn't been for this forum.
Thanks!
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I haven't seen this particular film, but FWIW, I have never ever in my 65 years of life given the shape of bokeh balls in the countless films and images I have seen any attention whatsoever - except where the bokeh balls themselves WERE the picture, but those instances have been few.
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I have to admit that I am quite "round-bokeh-balls" obsessed... When I watch a movie, I always look at the shape of the corner bokeh balls and when they are perfectly round (which is extremely rare actually) I have a deep satisfaction feeling. Almost orgasmic. Yes my wife thinks I'm crazy.
Beside the shape of the balls, there is something that is often linked and that really bothers me, it's the twirling effect. It can litterally give me nausea. Note that the movie examples posted by OP aren't affected by this.
Now my 55mm has cat-eyes (it's its only drawback), and I deal with it.
I won't say a picture is bad just for it.
It's not essential but I prefer round balls across the frame and I'm not spending $1000+ on a portrait lens with strong cat-eyes. That's what prevents me from buying the Batis. I find the 85mm GM ok but too expensive for being just ok (in this regard, otherwise it's near perfect). I'm wondering if it's not something caused by the design of the E mount itself... Waiting for the next portrait lens to be released (maybe a Sony 85mm f1.8?) to see how they deal with it. Meanwhile I'm fine with the 55mm. And when I really want round balls, I use another mount.
Honestly if someone cares about round balls more than I do, I'd suggest him to stay away from FE system.
Beside the shape of the balls, there is something that is often linked and that really bothers me, it's the twirling effect. It can litterally give me nausea. Note that the movie examples posted by OP aren't affected by this.
Now my 55mm has cat-eyes (it's its only drawback), and I deal with it.
I won't say a picture is bad just for it.
It's not essential but I prefer round balls across the frame and I'm not spending $1000+ on a portrait lens with strong cat-eyes. That's what prevents me from buying the Batis. I find the 85mm GM ok but too expensive for being just ok (in this regard, otherwise it's near perfect). I'm wondering if it's not something caused by the design of the E mount itself... Waiting for the next portrait lens to be released (maybe a Sony 85mm f1.8?) to see how they deal with it. Meanwhile I'm fine with the 55mm. And when I really want round balls, I use another mount.
Honestly if someone cares about round balls more than I do, I'd suggest him to stay away from FE system.
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My wife and I watched it last night too. I had to read the plot interpretation afterwards to figure out the ending.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrival_(film)
What threw me off was the space ship supposedly in Montana where they flew her to and the sea fog rolling in over the mountains.
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A bit like 2001 in that regard, although the Wikipedia entry doesn't explain it. The book does, though.
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Directors of photography don't necessarily have a free hand, as there are production format constraints that must be obeyed — e.g. the use of an anamorphic format, and hence, the obligatory use of anamorphic lenses.
I personally find the thin, elongated anamorphic bokeh far more "unnatural" and distracting than the cat's eye effect.
A few examples of what anamorphic bokeh looks like:
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