Which RAW software for EM1mkII

[Jorginho]

Yes, here we go again....

1) No manual of any use provided by Oly
2) No CD bundled in the box

Sounds an awful lot like not providing a lenshood with lenses where you get them at least from Panny most of the time but I guess from most manufaturers with their head screwed on.

Nowfor the manual there is no excuse. Regardless of the menusystem asking for it: if you are printing it out and take it with you in the field it won't be as easy to carry and use as a nice and small booklet like.

The software can be downloaded, so I did that. It is rather slow and I find it pretty irritating when I want to export files....You cannot just enter a filename, it gets you into trouble and it tells ou time and time again you already used the name (where as in the three available boxes I enter completely different names. I also check out two boxes so one remains...to no avail but afterwars it seems it DID in fact save the files..???).

Also: I can only save it as a tiff and then go on to CS6. But it is not too bad though. Would have loved to save it as a DNG.

Anyways: is there any third party software available for free preferably that already supports Oly and let you save it to some other RAW format like DNG? But more importantly: that works a whole lot faster?

A big thank you for any information!

 

[stagedoor]

I agree it is annoying not to have the small printed manual to carry around.

All too easy to alter a setting without knowing, finding a new symbol in the viewfinder and being unable to guess what it means or how to off the setting! It is just not possible to be online when out and about for the full .pdf instructions.

Surely it could be possible to print smaller (the one enclosed is in almost every imaginable language, but absolutely useless for day-to-day operation of the camera) booklets of basic info in the main languages.

 

[Denjw]

Yes, here we go again....

1) No manual of any use provided by Oly
2) No CD bundled in the box

Sounds an awful lot like not providing a lenshood with lenses where you get them at least from Panny most of the time but I guess from most manufaturers with their head screwed on.

Nowfor the manual there is no excuse.

I would think it is fairly standard practice these days.

Regardless of the menusystem asking for it: if you are printing it out and take it with you in the field it won't be as easy to carry and use as a nice and small booklet like.

Save the manual PDF to smartphone or tablet is a good option.

The software can be downloaded, so I did that. It is rather slow and I find it pretty irritating when I want to export files....You cannot just enter a filename, it gets you into trouble and it tells ou time and time again you already used the name (where as in the three available boxes I enter completely different names. I also check out two boxes so one remains...to no avail but afterwars it seems it DID in fact save the files..???)

Not sure why this is an issue. I use OV3 regularly and just change the file name and save as TIFF. Check out the Options preferences.

Also: I can only save it as a tiff and then go on to CS6. But it is not too bad though. Would have loved to save it as a DNG.

The alternative is to use the latest Adobe DNG converter version 9.8 then open in CS6.

https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows

Anyways: is there any third party software available for free preferably that already supports Oly and let you save it to some other RAW format like DNG? But more importantly: that works a whole lot faster?

As above.

A big thank you for any information!

 

[Jorginho]

Yes, here we go again....

1) No manual of any use provided by Oly
2) No CD bundled in the box

Sounds an awful lot like not providing a lenshood with lenses where you get them at least from Panny most of the time but I guess from most manufaturers with their head screwed on.

Nowfor the manual there is no excuse.

I would think it is fairly standard practice these days.

Not with Panasonic. But may be others do also.

Regardless of the menusystem asking for it: if you are printing it out and take it with you in the field it won't be as easy to carry and use as a nice and small booklet like.

Save the manual PDF to smartphone or tablet is a good option.

I like a booklet, it is much easier to read and does not rely on batteries etc. But may be the best alternative.

The software can be downloaded, so I did that. It is rather slow and I find it pretty irritating when I want to export files....You cannot just enter a filename, it gets you into trouble and it tells ou time and time again you already used the name (where as in the three available boxes I enter completely different names. I also check out two boxes so one remains...to no avail but afterwars it seems it DID in fact save the files..???)

Not sure why this is an issue. I use OV3 regularly and just change the file name and save as TIFF. Check out the Options preferences.

I did it to no avail. I just found a lot of files suddenly in the map I made for it to save my test shots.

Also: I can only save it as a tiff and then go on to CS6. But it is not too bad though. Would have loved to save it as a DNG.

The alternative is to use the latest Adobe DNG converter version 9.8 then open in CS6.

https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=106&platform=Windows

Is it a beta?

Anyways: is there any third party software available for free preferably that already supports Oly and let you save it to some other RAW format like DNG? But more importantly: that works a whole lot faster?

As above.

A big thank you for any information!

 

[tintifax]

I bought the EM1 II for 2.000€ and there is no manual (only a fast-manual with 7 pages in any language) .....

SHAME ON OLYMPUS!

I understand that there is no 100-page-manual at a part that costs 100€ but for 2.000€ I expect a manual.

If Olympus want to get a fair amount of money I want to get a fair quality of product!

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[Real Ramona]

I really agree that there should be a manual. Yes it costs them more. And so what. If you stop trying to saving pennies every single place then your reputation is improved. I mean, I'll still get a Mk II eventually but really Olympus.....stop being so tight. People like manuals. They like lens hoods.

I know that as a company it is your responsibility to make maximum profit for your shareholders, thats the way the system works, but sometimes the bean counters just get it wrong and give you wrong advice. Short term profit is not always the best strategy. Maybe in one of those companies that is owned by X who is owned by Y who is in turned owned by some faceless hedge fund sure, but not a long established company like Olympus.

 

[radsaq]

I really agree that there should be a manual. Yes it costs them more. And so what. If you stop trying to saving pennies every single place then your reputation is improved. I mean, I'll still get a Mk II eventually but really Olympus.....stop being so tight. People like manuals. They like lens hoods.

On the flip side, there are surely plenty of people like me who have zero desire for a printed manual and would rather look at a good quality PDF one if they really needed to. I'd consider it a waste of paper.

I know that as a company it is your responsibility to make maximum profit for your shareholders, thats the way the system works, but sometimes the bean counters just get it wrong and give you wrong advice.

That's not why corporations exist. They exist so as to be distinct legal entities and can do whatever they want and it doesn't have to include making any sort of profit, nor does it need to include enriching shareholders. (Though obviously that's not a very good way to attract investors, if that is what the corporation desires.)

 

[Jorginho]

I really agree that there should be a manual. Yes it costs them more. And so what. If you stop trying to saving pennies every single place then your reputation is improved. I mean, I'll still get a Mk II eventually but really Olympus.....stop being so tight. People like manuals. They like lens hoods.

On the flip side, there are surely plenty of people like me who have zero desire for a printed manual and would rather look at a good quality PDF one if they really needed to. I'd consider it a waste of paper.

Plenty of people with zero desire for an EM1mkII. No reason to not make it.

I know that as a company it is your responsibility to make maximum profit for your shareholders, thats the way the system works, but sometimes the bean counters just get it wrong and give you wrong advice.

That's not why corporations exist. They exist so as to be distinct legal entities and can do whatever they want and it doesn't have to include making any sort of profit, nor does it need to include enriching shareholders. (Though obviously that's not a very good way to attract investors, if that is what the corporation desires.)

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[radsaq]

I really agree that there should be a manual. Yes it costs them more. And so what. If you stop trying to saving pennies every single place then your reputation is improved. I mean, I'll still get a Mk II eventually but really Olympus.....stop being so tight. People like manuals. They like lens hoods.

On the flip side, there are surely plenty of people like me who have zero desire for a printed manual and would rather look at a good quality PDF one if they really needed to. I'd consider it a waste of paper.

Plenty of people with zero desire for an EM1mkII. No reason to not make it.

I would guess that there's a lot higher chance that producing the E-M1 II is profitable over them printing a manual for it, even if not everyone wants one. ;-)

 

[horsth]

Put the PDF on your smartphone and it's done. With the first fw-update you'll get a new PDF. Times have changed.

As to Raw, "Rawtherapee" is free and very good, but has a learning curve.
Cheers
Horst

 

[Jorginho]

Danke, ich werde es mal versuchen!

 

[RSColo]

I'm trying hard to ignore the discussion again of what Olympus should, or shouldn't have done.

However, DxO lists on their Web site that their SW will support the EM 1.2 in February. I understand that Adobe has preliminary support now and is working on full support. I haven't heard about Capture One yet, but I would guess that they are working on things. I have tried the Olympus SW you get when you register the camera and it seems to work OK. I'm just not thrilled with the SW. On1 and Afinity both say they have support only the beta versions didn't work with other RAW files I tried so I'm waiting for trial version availability to test before I think about buying.

For me, I own DxO so I plan to wait until February and then see if I am happy with their RAW support. If I am I will probably not keep looking. BTW, I think their PRIME noise reduction for high ISO images is incredible.

OK, you can get back to arguing about printed manuals now.

 

[tgutgu]

After registration, you can order a printed manual from Olympus Service. They sent it for free. At least Panasonic doesnt provide a printed manual either, and its menu system is at least as complex.

 

[Jorginho]

EH..with the GH4 I got a printed and very extensive manual. May be they changed to and the same goes for them as you figure. Why would they provide a basic manual but not a full one etcetc. Made my point, people can agree or not.

 

[Jorginho]

I am hearing a lot of good things on DxO and high Iso so I can give them a try. I also like the workflow, so that is nice too.

Raw Therapee site is down for some days. I can wait.

Thx for your answer!

HiRes mode takes excelletn care of noise too. ISO1600 is virtually on par with ISO200. I have been extensively comparing it now and single shot ISO200 just nudges it for noise, but surely not for detail in the shadow especially. It still loses there, I think blocked by noise a little. JPG. May be RAW is better for single shots.

 

[RSColo]

I am hearing a lot of good things on DxO and high Iso so I can give them a try. I also like the workflow, so that is nice too.

Raw Therapee site is down for some days. I can wait.

Thx for your answer!

HiRes mode takes excelletn care of noise too. ISO1600 is virtually on par with ISO200. I have been extensively comparing it now and single shot ISO200 just nudges it for noise, but surely not for detail in the shadow especially. It still loses there, I think blocked by noise a little. JPG. May be RAW is better for single shots.

I find RAW Therapee difficult to use, although the results seem good. I think they are especially good at bringing things out of underexposed areas.

If you are thinking of trying the DxO trial, wait until they list your new camera as supported before you download the time-limited trial.

 

[rienm]

I'm trying hard to ignore the discussion again of what Olympus should, or shouldn't have done.

However, DxO lists on their Web site that their SW will support the EM 1.2 in February. I understand that Adobe has preliminary support now and is working on full support. I haven't heard about Capture One yet, but I would guess that they are working on things. I have tried the Olympus SW you get when you register the camera and it seems to work OK. I'm just not thrilled with the SW. On1 and Afinity both say they have support only the beta versions didn't work with other RAW files I tried so I'm waiting for trial version availability to test before I think about buying.

For me, I own DxO so I plan to wait until February and then see if I am happy with their RAW support. If I am I will probably not keep looking. BTW, I think their PRIME noise reduction for high ISO images is incredible.

OK, you can get back to arguing about printed manuals now.

 

[Jorginho]

I read DxO supports EM1mkII in february so I wait till than. Thanks for reminding me though!

 

[Paulmorgan]

Yes, here we go again....

1) No manual of any use provided by Oly
2) No CD bundled in the box

Sounds an awful lot like not providing a lenshood with lenses where you get them at least from Panny most of the time but I guess from most manufaturers with their head screwed on.

Nowfor the manual there is no excuse. Regardless of the menusystem asking for it: if you are printing it out and take it with you in the field it won't be as easy to carry and use as a nice and small booklet like.

Out in the field I`m not going to have the time to thumb through a 200 page manual, well unless I`m having a very long pooh

The software can be downloaded, so I did that. It is rather slow and I find it pretty irritating when I want to export files....You cannot just enter a filename, it gets you into trouble and it tells ou time and time again you already used the name (where as in the three available boxes I enter completely different names. I also check out two boxes so one remains...to no avail but afterwars it seems it DID in fact save the files..???).

Also: I can only save it as a tiff and then go on to CS6. But it is not too bad though. Would have loved to save it as a DNG.

Anyways: is there any third party software available for free preferably that already supports Oly and let you save it to some other RAW format like DNG? But more importantly: that works a whole lot faster?

You pretty much get what you pay for, free software is generally pretty basic.

A big thank you for any information!

 

[SGA]

The first thing I do when I get a new product is download the manual to my computer, iPad and iPhone. Whenever there's an update to the software, I download the updated manual.

Paper manuals are nice the first couple of days you own the device, but rapidly become yet more clutter around the house, and are never where you need them. They're useless if you're traveling with a lot of gear, as you can't (at least I can't) carry them all.

Not to mention the trees that get killed to provide them.