Amazing portrait lens

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Until I purchased this lens, the Nikon 85/1.8g was my favorite lens. I love the focal length. The Nikon produces great contrast and colors. It was acceptably sharp at 1.8 and tack sharp at 2.8. At just a bit over $400, it's a great value.

I do some professional shooting on a part-time basis, mostly portraits, a lot of engagement couple sessions. I've never felt the need to invest in the cost and weight of a 1.4 aperture 85mm lens. I'd end up stopping down anyway. For my professional work, a 1.8 aperture lens is fine as long as it is acceptably sharp wide open.

The Nikon 85g only had two flaws in my book. Like most primes, it lacks image stabilization. For whatever reason, I don't have the steadiest hands. Even shooting 1/80 - 1/100, I would lose some shots to camera shake. To get consistently sharp images, I was cranking up the shutter speed to at least 1/160, sometimes 1/250. So this wasn't exactly a weakness of the Nikon 85g, but a weakness of non-stabilized lenses in general.

The optical weakness of the Nikon 85g is chromatic aberrations. Particularly, really bad purple and green fringing at wide apertures. So bad, that at times it was difficult to correct in lightroom.

So my dream lens, was essentially the Nikon 85/1.8g + Image stabilization + improved CA.

The Tamron delivered in spades. At $750, it's $300 more than the Nikon, but still not a "break the bank" lens. Still significantly cheaper than any of the 1.4 models on the market. And it is the ONLY 85mm on the market with image stabilization. Yes, if you absolutely need 1.4 aperture for the narrowest possible DOF, then there is no substitute. But if you're stopping down anyway most of the time, I see absolutely no advantages of 1.4 lenses over this Tamron.

Before getting to images, let me address the many strengths of this lens along with one weakness.

- It is built like a tank, but still not too big. Really solid build quality.

- Very effective image stabilization. I'm not shooting at 1/10 or anything, but I can easily shoot handheld at less than 1/focal length.

-The Nikon 85mm was the sharpest lens in my bag. No longer. The Tamron 85mm manages to beat it by a little bit. If you nail focus, the lens is nearly tack sharp by F2. If you look at the professional testing reviews, you find that the Tamron comes close to Zeiss Otus levels of sharpness.

-Color fringing is nearly non-existent. If i pixel peep, there may be a few images that could use a tiny bit of correction, but nothing severe.

- Background blur is smooth, the bokeh balls are beautiful. can get a bit of a cat's eye at the edges of the frame, but that's not unusual.

- So why no 5 stars? As noted in some of the professional reviews and my own experience, there is a bit of focus shift in the lens. Some of the reviews blame it on spherical aberration. When I tried to micro adjust this lens, I got massive front shift at wide open, but then less and less as I stopped down. (As confirmed by Reikan FoCal). I eventually got the Tamron TAP unit, and used it along with in-camera adjustment. I finally found a micro adjust balance that I was happy with. But it remains enough of an issue to prevent the lens from scoring as totally perfect.

For reference, here is an image from the Nikon 85/1.8g..

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At F2.0, it is tack sharp. But if you look closely in high contrast areas, you will still see some color fringing, and this was after correction in lightroom.

So how does the Tamron hold up:

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Also F2.0 -- and even sharper.

Another F2.0:

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At F2.5, check out the sharpness and the bokeh:

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At F4.5 in the above image, IMO, it takes tacks sharpness to a new level.. I guess this is razor sharpness. And still perfect bokeh.

Another example of amazing sharpness at 2.2:

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Wide open:

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Last one, at F2.5.... high contrast image that required no correction of color fringing. Perfect sharpness across the entire frame. Perfect bokeh balls:

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Bonus shot... "landscape portrait" At f2.8.... tack sharp across the entire frame. You can crop this to 100% and completely use the 100% cropped image..



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Conclusion: You need to carefully micro adjust this lens and consider the potential for focus shift. You may want to resort to live view at times. But when you nail focus, this lens is simply breath taking. At F1.8 and wider, I suspect it will play even with any of the 1.4 competitors. Of course, at a much lower price and less weight. Throw in the stabilization, it is a wonderful bonus.

Ultimately, this is probably the best portrait lens you can buy for under $1,000... and for many shooters, it may replace the need to even consider any portrait lens over $1,000.

Now, for most of my portrait sessions, unless I have space limits, I often will exclusively use the Tamron 85mm for all my shooting.



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... Havoc: An excellent review, and your examples are well done. Myself, I tend to consider the bokeh and backgrounds of photos before the subjects, and you have proven some truly beautiful, smooth backgrounds with the lens.

... If anything critical, the subjects seem overly-sharp, though perhaps the added lighting is too much- too even and incongruous with the lighting of the background. However, that is simply a matter of more time with the lens and it's qualities.

... Good for Tamron, and good for us!
 
... Havoc: An excellent review, and your examples are well done. Myself, I tend to consider the bokeh and backgrounds of photos before the subjects, and you have proven some truly beautiful, smooth backgrounds with the lens.

... If anything critical, the subjects seem overly-sharp, though perhaps the added lighting is too much- too even and incongruous with the lighting of the background. However, that is simply a matter of more time with the lens and it's qualities.

... Good for Tamron, and good for us!
 
Nice photos, I specifically like the saturation, and thanks for the review.

However, judging by the shutter speeds, none of the photos seem that they would have benefited from VC. Was VC on in any of the photos? Did you happen to notice any degradation when VC was on?

I have similar unsteady hands as yours.
 
Nice photos, I specifically like the saturation, and thanks for the review.

However, judging by the shutter speeds, none of the photos seem that they would have benefited from VC. Was VC on in any of the photos? Did you happen to notice any degradation when VC was on?

I have similar unsteady hands as yours.
I keep it on. Obviously, those photos were all good light. So the VC wasn't necessary but did not cause any degradation.

Where I need the VC, is more often indoor shots of friends and family.

1/100... s the VC helped but wasn't critical:

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This was just a test shot... 1/50 adapted to the Sony A6300:

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1/100:

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Guess they aren't the best examples... but it's what I currently have in my album.

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At F2.5, check out the sharpness and the bokeh:

At F4.5 in the above image, IMO, it takes tacks sharpness to a new level.. I guess this is razor sharpness. And still perfect bokeh.

Another example of amazing sharpness at 2.2:

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Are these sharpened in any way?



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At F2.5, check out the sharpness and the bokeh:

At F4.5 in the above image, IMO, it takes tacks sharpness to a new level.. I guess this is razor sharpness. And still perfect bokeh.

Another example of amazing sharpness at 2.2:

28109908270_1016cf278f_o_d.jpg
Are these sharpened in any way?

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Just regular lightroom sharpening.

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At F2.5, check out the sharpness and the bokeh:

At F4.5 in the above image, IMO, it takes tacks sharpness to a new level.. I guess this is razor sharpness. And still perfect bokeh.

Another example of amazing sharpness at 2.2:

28109908270_1016cf278f_o_d.jpg
Are these sharpened in any way?

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Just regular lightroom sharpening.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
How about posting one without sharpening at all?

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At F2.5, check out the sharpness and the bokeh:

At F4.5 in the above image, IMO, it takes tacks sharpness to a new level.. I guess this is razor sharpness. And still perfect bokeh.

Another example of amazing sharpness at 2.2:

28109908270_1016cf278f_o_d.jpg
Are these sharpened in any way?

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Just regular lightroom sharpening.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
How about posting one without sharpening at all?

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Every jpeg and every Lightroom default image has sharpening. Can always unsharpen the image... intentionally blur it.

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Great shots! You know I have a Nikon 85 1.8G and recently I purchased a Tamron 1.8 VC to replace my Nikon. I totally agree with your review and especially its AF inconsistency. I was doing the test today and I experienced some annoying AF consistency. I have to decide whether I should return the lens or not tonight because if I return it then I'll have to ship it out tomorrow. I love this lens but.....it's a tough decision.



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At F2.5, check out the sharpness and the bokeh:

At F4.5 in the above image, IMO, it takes tacks sharpness to a new level.. I guess this is razor sharpness. And still perfect bokeh.

Another example of amazing sharpness at 2.2:

28109908270_1016cf278f_o_d.jpg
Are these sharpened in any way?

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Just regular lightroom sharpening.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
How about posting one without sharpening at all?

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Every jpeg and every Lightroom default image has sharpening. Can always unsharpen the image... intentionally blur it.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
Or you can take it in RAW and disable sharpening in LR.

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At F2.5, check out the sharpness and the bokeh:

At F4.5 in the above image, IMO, it takes tacks sharpness to a new level.. I guess this is razor sharpness. And still perfect bokeh.

Another example of amazing sharpness at 2.2:

28109908270_1016cf278f_o_d.jpg
Are these sharpened in any way?

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Just regular lightroom sharpening.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
How about posting one without sharpening at all?

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Every jpeg and every Lightroom default image has sharpening. Can always unsharpen the image... intentionally blur it.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
Or you can take it in RAW and disable sharpening in LR.

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By default, it sharpens. You'd have to manually go in and undo that sharpening. But then when you export it as a jpeg, it actually sharpens again -- so that needs to be manually disabled.

While that's all certainly possible -- my point is you're almost never looking at an image online which hasn't been sharpened at some point. If for some reason it would help you to see images with default sharpening removed, I'm happy to do that to a few images.

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Great shots! You know I have a Nikon 85 1.8G and recently I purchased a Tamron 1.8 VC to replace my Nikon. I totally agree with your review and especially its AF inconsistency. I was doing the test today and I experienced some annoying AF consistency. I have to decide whether I should return the lens or not tonight because if I return it then I'll have to ship it out tomorrow. I love this lens but.....it's a tough decision.

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Have you micro adjusted, particularly with the tap-in console?

I essentially adjusted, building in the increased DOF as aperture stops down (so a little front or back focus won't really hurt at f4). My goal was tack sharp at working distances that I most commonly use, and the widest apertures I use most frequently (2.2-2.8), It took a while, but I finally got to a point where I was happy.



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As per your request..

Sharpening removed --- Default settings removed from lightroom, set to zero sharpening. Also reversed all clarity and luminance NR.

A few samples from the Tamron:

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And for comparison, a couple from the Nikon 85g:

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At F2.5, check out the sharpness and the bokeh:

At F4.5 in the above image, IMO, it takes tacks sharpness to a new level.. I guess this is razor sharpness. And still perfect bokeh.

Another example of amazing sharpness at 2.2:

28109908270_1016cf278f_o_d.jpg
Are these sharpened in any way?

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Photography Director for Whedonopolis.com
Just regular lightroom sharpening.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
How about posting one without sharpening at all?

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If I don't respond to your post after you responded to my with NEGATIVE remarks that means you are on my Ignore list.
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Every jpeg and every Lightroom default image has sharpening. Can always unsharpen the image... intentionally blur it.

--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
Or you can take it in RAW and disable sharpening in LR.

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If I don't respond to your post after you responded to my with NEGATIVE remarks that means you are on my Ignore list.
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By default, it sharpens. You'd have to manually go in and undo that sharpening. But then when you export it as a jpeg, it actually sharpens again -- so that needs to be manually disabled.

While that's all certainly possible -- my point is you're almost never looking at an image online which hasn't been sharpened at some point. If for some reason it would help you to see images with default sharpening removed, I'm happy to do that to a few images.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
Yes, I would like to see some close portraits with this particular lens wide open with sharpening not applied at all, either in camera or PP.

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As per your request..

Sharpening removed --- Default settings removed from lightroom, set to zero sharpening. Also reversed all clarity and luminance NR.

A few samples from the Tamron:

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And for comparison, a couple from the Nikon 85g:

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
Thank you. Was some sharpening set in camera?

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No, those are raw images. In camera sharpening only applies to jpegs.
 
No, those are raw images. In camera sharpening only applies to jpegs.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/havoc315/
In that case which one is better?

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Two different images with different focus points. In the left image, the focus was on that eye. In the other image, the focus was actually on the other eye, so the focus is soft on the eye in the right image. If you look at the left eye in that image, you'll find it is much sharper.

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