An Under-Rated Strobist Camera: The LX100

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I shoot MFT cameras for two years now. Knowing what works and what doesn't, I grew pretty comfortable with MFT and it became my only cameras system after my switch from Canon APS-C DSLRs and EOS-M system.

However, as time goes, I started to do more and more off camera flash/strobist technique when I shoot, especially for environmental portraits during harsh, bright daylight under no shade, using speedlight(s). The MFT system, while is perfectly capable of performing such technique, is often times a bit limited due to the focal plane shutter mechanism, and can't sync higher than 1/250s (ssshhh, I can get 1/320s with the GX7 and GX8 to sync with my flashes without banding, but don't tell anyone else ;-) ). It is still doable, and I can still ND the whole exposure by 2 or 3 stops, but I want the ambient to be able to be underexposed even more sometimes, just for the sake of getting more headroom. I must tell you, this is more of a "want" than a "need".

Sure, there are HSS-enabled flashes, but as I tried them, the HSS method will cause the flash to fire significantly weaker output. So I tried researching of some more powerful flash option, but the stronger mono-lights are 1) large+heavy, 2) expensive, and 3) will require external pack or something similar. A big no no, so my only option is to get a camera with leaf shutter.

Then I bought the LX100, solely just for that purpose: to be able to shoot off camera flash/strobist at high shutter speed so that my small speedlight can balance or even overpower the ambient, without the need of any special item/feature. The LX100 is said to have the same sensor as the GX7, but slightly cropped by the multi-ratio lens. I was very familiar with the GX7's image quality, so I thought I'd give this LX100 a try.

While waiting for my LX100 to ship, I was searching the whole internet for a trace of people who are using the LX100 as a strobist camera. Not much result, only Mirrorlessjourney and some other folks post their experience in the internet. Even in Flickr, there aren't that much people talking about this camera for this specific application.

The camera finally arrived. Long story short, it works as a strobist camera :-) !!

Here are some things that I like from this camera:

I can now shoot at 2pm harsh bright daylight using the LX100 at f/4.0 1/1000s ISO 200 with the flash still at 1/4 power from about a meter away from the subject with ease. And with the image quality that it provides, the LX100 produces sharp and clean images, even only at 13MP max.

High ISO performance was not as good as the GX7, because even without pixel peeping, I can see a bit more noise at ISO 3200. But anything below 3200 is fine, and the fact that the lens can go down to f/1.7 at 24mm(equivalent) means I have the option to lower the ISO and compensate using larger aperture.

Sharpness is good. 13MP isn't much, but it's more than enough for me. Yes, the 20MP Sony RX100 files will look sharper, but luckily I'm not tempted by sharpness alone.

I really love the manual control on this camera. The aperture ring, the shutter dial, the exposure compensation dial, they all make sense! I just wish the LX100 also has a separate ISO dial.

The lens is amazing and sharp! I mean, I tried to distinguish my photos, and I had a hard time differentiating which one was taken with the GX7, and which one was taken with the LX100. It's that good. Plus it goes all the way up to f/1.7 at 24mm. Sadly, the aperture rather stops down quickly when you start zooming just a little from 24mm.

4K is fantastic, and even the 1080p is more than enough for me most of the time. I just wish that I could assign a completely custom profile for the video separately from the stills, so that I don't have to go back and forth with the color profile, shutter speed, and the aspect ratio every time I want to shoot video. There's no mic jack and headphone jack, but I don't complain because I haven't need them yet so far.

The camera is small and nearly pocketable, so it's very easy to fit into my small messenger bag. It also functions as my EDC camera now, living inside my commuting bag, ready to shoot whatever I need to shoot any time any day.

Battery life is okay for me, not crazy fantastic but more than enough to get me through the day. It can exchange the battery with the batteries from my GX7, so it's very convenient,

RAW to JPEG in camera plus Wifi have been very important to me. Now with the addition of Lightroom Mobile, I can quickly edit and send my images to the people who need them, as quick as I can be and without having to carry my laptop around. Editing can be done in the camera, then with wifi , then I can send the images from to my phone, do some touch up in Lightroom Mobile, and have the images sent through email or messaging apps as quickly as humanly possible.

There are some things that I don't like too from the LX100:

There's no touchscreen and no tilting/articulating screen. It just sucks, but as time goes by, I learn to live with those shortcomings. The EVF isn't fantastic too, but it's enough for my needs.

The AF can sometimes miss-focus, while giving you the green indicator. Happened to me more than a couple of times, and this could potentially ruin a shot. A temporary fix that I found is to switch the AF mode to AF macro. It helps, but the AF speed gets reduced a bit.

When turning on the camera, it takes time for the lens to extract. Same thing when the camera wakes up from sleep. The zoom speed is also quite slow. In my opinion, this camera can't be used to capture spontaneous candid, unless you have it on all the time and turn off the sleep feature. It is more suited for something that doesn't require instantaneous capture.

The size of the camera, while small, is still not pocketable. I wish it's pocketable sometimes.... But this is not a deal breaker though.

Overall I'm very happy with the camera, and although there are some annoyance when using this camera, I still think that the pros outweight the cons, and for my needs, the LX100 performs well enough. It now performs not only as my strobist camera, but also as my general outing/EDC camera.

I give it a 4.5 star!

This is what I'm talking about, off camera flash, high shutter speed, slightly underexposed ambient.
This is what I'm talking about, off camera flash, high shutter speed, slightly underexposed ambient.



I took it one step further. I totally killed the ambient here. Just 100% dark ambient. Not 100% black though, but dark enough for my taste.
I took it one step further. I totally killed the ambient here. Just 100% dark ambient. Not 100% black though, but dark enough for my taste.



Another strobist photo that I'm after.
Another strobist photo that I'm after.



Another strobist type of image that I was after with this camera.
Another strobist type of image that I was after with this camera.



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Best wishes,
Gary
 
Thanks for sharing. Great examples here. You have inspired me. Will try some with my LX100 soon.
 
Hi Skanderbeg, thanks for checking out my review and for the comment! You're very welcome, and hope you get some nice pictures with your LX100 :-)
 
Thank you Gary!!! It's amazing what can be accomplished by this little camera in the right hands! I know that I'll never get as sophisticated as you my friend. However, I am getting better :-)

Warmest regards,
 
Thanks for sharing. What do you mean by AF macro? pin point AF or you really mean the AF macro for close up subjects? This is the first time I heard about that this mode would AF more reliably but slowly. Interesting. Also, I was always wondering that in AF macro mode, is there a limit for how far your subject could be? The manual says you can AF as close as 3 cm, but does not mention if there is limit on the other end.

Also, which flash do you use? Any TTL RF transmitter you would recommend? I have a MCO320 and a sync cable, but the sync cable is not very convenient while traveling.

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ciao
 
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Thank you Gary!!! It's amazing what can be accomplished by this little camera in the right hands! I know that I'll never get as sophisticated as you my friend. However, I am getting better :-)

Warmest regards,
 
Hi Curiosifly, thanks for checking out my review and for the comment as well :-)
Thanks for sharing. What do you mean by AF macro? pin point AF or you really mean the AF macro for close up subjects? This is the first time I heard about that this mode would AF more reliably but slowly. Interesting. Also, I was always wondering that in AF macro mode, is there a limit for how far your subject could be? The manual says you can AF as close as 3 cm, but does not mention if there is limit on the other end.
I meant the AF Macro switch on the side of the lens, the one for close up subjects :-)

I know it sounds weird to use AF Macro full time to focus on everything. But so far in my case, it has reduced the miss-focus case significantly, or at least enough for me to notice. It's slower than the regular AF as I said, but it's not that slow to be honest :-)

It will focus until infinity too, which means you don't really need to set the AF switch back and forth for subjects nearby and far away. I discovered it by accident actually, and now I'm still using the AF macro all the time on my LX100.
Also, which flash do you use? Any TTL RF transmitter you would recommend? I have a MCO320 and a sync cable, but the sync cable is not very convenient while traveling.
I use mostly Yongnuo speedlights. The ones that I use with the LX100 are mostly YN560EX(just a straight forward manual speedlight), YN560IV(has built in RF603CII for off camera flash), and YN510EX(when I need something small). All of them are full manual with no HSS or TTL.

I use a pair of cheap Yongnuo RF603CII for my transceivers, but it's also full manual with no TTL feature at all unfortunately. I think Cactus offers some speedlight and transmitting system that can do TTL and HSS if I'm not mistaken, but definitely I have to double check on that.

Yes, sync cable isn't convenient, tried it once, never want to carry my cable anymore. I do recommend the RF603CII and Yongnuo YN560IV combination, because the YN560IV actually has a built in trigger system that can communicate with the RF603CII without having to attach any external unit. That means you only need to attach a single RF603CII to the LX100, and it will trigger/get triggered by the YN560IV wirelessly! :-) Pretty cool and convenient stuff I must say! :-)
 
Thank you very much for the details, Gary. I'll definitely give it a try. I have been thinking about the idea of using AF-micro all the time (so that I won't miss focus when my subject suddenly comes too close to me) but I never did because I thought there must be some penalty otherwise no need to have two modes.
 
Thank you very much for the details, Gary. I'll definitely give it a try. I have been thinking about the idea of using AF-micro all the time (so that I won't miss focus when my subject suddenly comes too close to me) but I never did because I thought there must be some penalty otherwise no need to have two modes.
 
Thank you very much Gary! I'm currently in the same exact position you were in, looking at this camera again because of the leaf shutter for strobes and this is the only review I found talking about it.

Very excited to hear it works well, I still have a working LX2 so I know these are well built cameras. I'm eager to pick one up now that they're going for under $450 on ebay, might wait to see if the rumored LX200 gets announced in late February but honestly I think the LX100 may be enough.

Do you have a working TTL Flash with the Yongnuo's or just manual and what TTL flash do you recommend?

Can you use the exposure compensation dial with just ISO set to auto or with auto Aperture and ISO/ manual Shutter? Also can you use FEC with the exposure compensation dial?

Lastly, I've heard the AF of the LX100 outperformed the RX100mIII for continuous tracking; in macro AF mode does the LX100 still track focus well?
 
That is sophisticated image-making with a small but highly capable camera. Clearly, though, most of the capability is in the hands of the photographer! Congratulations.

Clearly, you have achieved the desired effect, but to me the strobist images of people -- with lovely backdrops -- aren't as effective as the single image of flowers. For me, I think the highlighting of faces renders the background flat and two-dimensional, whereas in the flower "portrait" the strobe/flash effectively isolates the central point of interest.

In any event, I salute your skill and vision.
 
First of all thank you very much for this great forum post! And congratulations for the great photos!

I am a recent happy owner of an LX100 and a couple of weeks ago I am looking for a good equipment for street strobist.

Your posting has been a great help to take away some doubts, however I think I can expose some things I have read that maybe help somebody or maybe they can help me.

About what you mentioned:
I use a pair of cheap Yongnuo RF603CII for my transceivers, but it's also full manual with no TTL feature at all unfortunately. I think Cactus offers some speedlight and transmitting system that can do TTL and HSS if I'm not mistaken, but definitely I have to double check on that.

Yes, sync cable isn't convenient, tried it once, never want to carry my cable anymore. I do recommend the RF603CII and Yongnuo YN560IV combination, because the YN560IV actually has a built in trigger system that can communicate with the RF603CII without having to attach any external unit. That means you only need to attach a single RF603CII to the LX100, and it will trigger/get triggered by the YN560IV wirelessly! :-) Pretty cool and convenient stuff I must say! :-)
I read that our Panny, like other MFT cameras do not have a pin on the shoe that tells the trigger (like RF602c) to go into TX mode when pressing in half the shutter , that's why the RF603c version 1 don't work and Yongnuo throw Version 2 (RF603cii) with a switch that allows to force the TX mode in addition to the traditional TRX. There is also a new model RF605c that has the same forced mode but from a virtual configuration since it has a small LCD. This just to complementary information that may be useful for others as well.

Now my doubt,

While Yongnuo Flashes are compatible with TTL systems, in addition to receiving the commands from the camera with the correct transmitters, they also allow the use of manual transmitters that allow to manually change the configuration from the transmitter itself mounted on the camera, such as the YN560-TX , However this is not able to read TTL information from the camera, But.... is it able to put in TX mode as the RF603cii to can be triggered by our LX100?

On the other hand we have the YN622-TX Transmitter that if it is compatible with TTL in standard shoes (not like LX100 shoe), although probably not with our Panasonic, my query is if it is compatible to use as simple trigger of Flash YN560IV remotely controlling the parameters manually from the TX trigger?

What is the case with all this? Many of the owners of LX100 also have some other camera Canon or Nikon for example, in my case I have a Canon so I would like to be able to form a kit of triggers and flashes capable of operating in manual but with remote commands from the LX100 and also enjoy full TTL functionality in my canon.

I hope I have not made the colleagues so dizzy and the doubts raised are useful for everyone in case someone knows the answers! Hahaha!

And sorry for my English, isn't my natural languague.

Grateful.
 
HI iL337P337 sorry for the very late response, I was currently inactive in the forum due to work schedule. Thank you for the kind words on my review!

I use only manual flash with YongNuo receivers, my speedlight is YN560IV. I don't have much experience with TTL flash, but the one that I did use before in the past is the Olympus FL600R. I did not use it for strobist photography though, I don't have any way to fire it wirelessly and my sync cord is just pretty much annoying to use.

When shutter speed and aperture are both set on a certain value other than A, the EC dial will not work at all even at auto ISO. That's a shame really, such a small thing but Panasonic seemed to miss that. I'm not sure you can use flash compensation with the exposure dial, I think it has to be accessed through the menu.

As of tracking focus in AF macro, it behaves the same like in normal AF. I now use single point focus and AF macro exclusively, and couldn't be happier with the result that I got so far.

Hi Linzybel thanks so much for your kind words! The ability to go as far as 1/1000s as the sync speed definitely helped me to achieve that full black background on the flower picture. The people strobist pictures do have a little tendency to make the background look a bit flat as you said, that's one of the aspect that I am still trying to improve on my photography. Once again thank you so much!

VIkingog, thanks a lot for your kind comment! Really appreciate it! Also thank you for your clarification on the RF602C and RF603C I tranceivers, that's some real useful information for people who will come across them at some point when starting to venture into the realm of strobist photography.

Regarding your doubts on using different YongNuo transceivers, I honestly have no experience with any transceivers other than RF603C II and Phottix Strato II Multi, so I can't answer your questions about that. Basically all that I usually do is to set the RF603CII to TX mode, and either use a YN560IV with its built in receiver mode, or use other flash paired with another RF603CII if it doesn't have built in receiver. However, I do hope someone with more experience can explain to us, that would be really cool!

Again many thanks to all of you guys for the comments on my LX100 post!
 
VIkingog, thanks a lot for your kind comment! Really appreciate it! Also thank you for your clarification on the RF602C and RF603C I tranceivers, that's some real useful information for people who will come across them at some point when starting to venture into the realm of strobist photography.

Regarding your doubts on using different YongNuo transceivers, I honestly have no experience with any transceivers other than RF603C II and Phottix Strato II Multi, so I can't answer your questions about that. Basically all that I usually do is to set the RF603CII to TX mode, and either use a YN560IV with its built in receiver mode, or use other flash paired with another RF603CII if it doesn't have built in receiver. However, I do hope someone with more experience can explain to us, that would be really cool!

Again many thanks to all of you guys for the comments on my LX100 post!
Hello again!

Finally, I've risked and bought by Amazon the kit YN622c-TX with the YN622c.

The Yn622-TX theoretically (and really checked) this kit allows to work with with TTL in the Canon system, but that is secondary, explain what happens with the system of the Lx100.

As mentioned earlier, the MFT or M4 / 3 system does not use the same standards on the Hot Shoe flash, but the Yn622c-TX incorporates a so-called "legacy" mode that allows you to understand the trigger signal of an MFT shoe. Although the camera can not control the flash as in a TTL system, the most interesting of this is that from the Transmitter I can configure the flash remotely, without having to physically reach the flash, I can put it on a tripod and handle it comfortably from the Distance, this allows you to work alone!

Used in conjunction with my Flash Speedlite 430EXii I can set the power, manual zoom and trigger with second curtain and high speed. With the LX100 sync up to a speed of 1/2000!

Well, I add this as information that as you say can be useful to others, in some future I will try with a flash of a higher level and will inform if I can obtain higher synchronization speeds, the mechanical shutter of the Lx100 reaches 1/4000 so Which in theory should be possible to synchronize up to that speed.

Greetings from Paraguay and may well share some photos on the forum!

- Vikingog
 
Hi :)

So is it possible to sync flash at 1/4000???
 
Is there a recommended flash for the LX100 i ? Non-Panasonic that is
Hi Rick.

I recently did a Portrait session with the Camera Club using the LX100. I had planned to use my Panasonic flash but dropped it, it no longer works. Luckily I also had a Yongnuo with me, it worked fine but no TTL and I got some good images of the residents of the senior’s home. We were using large reflectors to bounce the light from the side.

I have been thinking of getting a Godox for a reasonable price which will give TTL functionality with Panasonic and Olympus cameras.

At a recent club meeting we were given a presentation on Portrait Lighting by a professional photographer who was recommending the Godox flashes and remotes.

At Amazon Canada.

epozar, post: 62074887, member: 144365"]
Hi :)

So is it possible to sync flash at 1/4000???
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Thank you so very much...Good to know.

Rick
Is there a recommended flash for the LX100 i ? Non-Panasonic that is
Hi Rick.

I recently did a Portrait session with the Camera Club using the LX100. I had planned to use my Panasonic flash but dropped it, it no longer works. Luckily I also had a Yongnuo with me, it worked fine but no TTL and I got some good images of the residents of the senior’s home. We were using large reflectors to bounce the light from the side.

I have been thinking of getting a Godox for a reasonable price which will give TTL functionality with Panasonic and Olympus cameras.

At a recent club meeting we were given a presentation on Portrait Lighting by a professional photographer who was recommending the Godox flashes and remotes.

At Amazon Canada.

https://www.amazon.ca/Godox-Speedli...545418093&sr=8-11&keywords=godox+camera+flash
epozar, post: 62075048, member: 211020"]
Hi :)

So is it possible to sync flash at 1/4000???
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