a600 - Jerky Paning Video

[adam3544]

I recorded a birthday party in well lit room. I made it in 4k format, using 20mm f.2.8 prime lens. Standing in the middle of the room, I recorded my video while slowly panning 360 degrees. The obtained vdeo was very jerky.

Is any way to obtain smooth vidos when panning ? Does 3 way gimbal can help in recording not jerky videos when panning. It sems to me that panning is the most dificult job for any camera.

Adam

 

[CE3]

I recorded a birthday party in well lit room. I made it in 4k format, using 20mm f.2.8 prime lens. Standing in the middle of the room, I recorded my video while slowly panning 360 degrees. The obtained vdeo was very jerky.

Is any way to obtain smooth vidos when panning ? Does 3 way gimbal can help in recording not jerky videos when panning. It sems to me that panning is the most dificult job for any camera.

Adam

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A gimble will certainly help, especially when using a lens without OSS like the 20mm. I picked up a Beholder MS1 (motorized 3-axis gimbal) when I got the A6300 and just recently started playing around with balancing different lenses.

Properly balancing the A6300 on the MS1 can be tricky and annoying (and it feels kind of cheaply made). It's certainly not the most convenient solution, but I'll take the quirks if the trade-off means smooth handheld 4K video when needed. With an OSS lens and a steady hand you can get decent handheld footage if you're mindful of rolling shutter while shooting and panning.

 

[adam3544]

I recorded a birthday party in well lit room. I made it in 4k format, using 20mm f.2.8 prime lens. Standing in the middle of the room, I recorded my video while slowly panning 360 degrees. The obtained vdeo was very jerky.

Is any way to obtain smooth vidos when panning ? Does 3 way gimbal can help in recording not jerky videos when panning. It sems to me that panning is the most dificult job for any camera.

Adam

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A gimble will certainly help, especially when using a lens without OSS like the 20mm. I picked up a Beholder MS1 (motorized 3-axis gimbal) when I got the A6300 and just recently started playing around with balancing different lenses.

Properly balancing the A6300 on the MS1 can be tricky and annoying (and it feels kind of cheaply made). It's certainly not the most convenient solution, but I'll take the quirks if the trade-off means smooth handheld 4K video when needed. With an OSS lens and a steady hand you can get decent handheld footage if you're mindful of rolling shutter while shooting and panning.

After watching on YouTube how complicated is balancing process for all gimbals, I'm very hesistant. All gimbals are rather expensive and because their construction, you can barely use the rear LCD screen. I've on order Sony 18-105 lens, after reading here about how effective is it internal stabilization system.

Ada

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[Maxzoom]

I've not seen your footage so I may be wrong.

When you play back your footage does the pan appear to hesitate at random intervals? It could be you need to turn off steadyshot for panning, especially if its a slow pan. This effect is particularly noticeable when you use a tripod and a 'fluid' head, your beautiful smooth slow pan that you shot looks 'sticky' on playback. The OIS is trying to 'steady' your pan by locking on to the scene as it pans by but of course it reaches its limit and releases the lock causing a jerking hesitation.

Hope this helps.

 

[CE3]

I recorded a birthday party in well lit room. I made it in 4k format, using 20mm f.2.8 prime lens. Standing in the middle of the room, I recorded my video while slowly panning 360 degrees. The obtained vdeo was very jerky.

Is any way to obtain smooth vidos when panning ? Does 3 way gimbal can help in recording not jerky videos when panning. It sems to me that panning is the most dificult job for any camera.

Adam

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www.pbase.com/adam3544

A gimble will certainly help, especially when using a lens without OSS like the 20mm. I picked up a Beholder MS1 (motorized 3-axis gimbal) when I got the A6300 and just recently started playing around with balancing different lenses.

Properly balancing the A6300 on the MS1 can be tricky and annoying (and it feels kind of cheaply made). It's certainly not the most convenient solution, but I'll take the quirks if the trade-off means smooth handheld 4K video when needed. With an OSS lens and a steady hand you can get decent handheld footage if you're mindful of rolling shutter while shooting and panning.

After watching on YouTube how complicated is balancing process for all gimbals, I'm very hesistant. All gimbals are rather expensive and because their construction, you can barely use the rear LCD screen. I've on order Sony 18-105 lens, after reading here about how effective is it internal stabilization system.

Ada

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Yeah, balancing isn't the easiest, but after you get it balanced a motorized gimbal makes the rest a lot easier. However, I think just about any rig (motorized or not) is going to require a fair amount of patience and practice to master.

Like I said, you should be fine with an OSS lens handheld if you don't pan too fast and keep your hand steady. The 18-105 is too big for me personally, but it seems like an ideal video lens.

I can accept both the annoyances of balancing the gimbal when I need it and the limitations the A6300 imposes, because the quality of the A6300's 4K footage beats most APS-C & FF cameras on the market right now.

 

[BlueBomberTurbo]

What shutter speed were you using? Rule of thumb is shutter speed should be roughly twice the video FPS. So 24p = 1/50, and 30p = 1/60. Going to faster shutter speeds will lead to jerky motion, and lower speeds will cause excessive motion blur. Go below 1:1, and you'll start to get choppy, as well.

 

[adam3544]

What shutter speed were you using? Rule of thumb is shutter speed should be roughly twice the video FPS. So 24p = 1/50, and 30p = 1/60. Going to faster shutter speeds will lead to jerky motion, and lower speeds will cause excessive motion blur. Go below 1:1, and you'll start to get choppy, as well.

I use an Intelligent Auto most of the time.

Thanks.

 

[lacix]

Simple! Just not slow enough panning! Think about it, 1sec. / 1 degree could be meters of panning and divided only by 24 frames. Try 1080p 50fps instead with slow panning! 4K 24fps is not easy for circular 360 degree panning and it doesn't matter what gimbal system you have!

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[adam3544]

Simple! Just not slow enough panning! Think about it, 1sec. / 1 degree could be meters of panning and divided only by 24 frames. Try 1080p 50fps instead with slow panning! 4K 24fps is not easy for circular 360 degree panning and it doesn't matter what gimbal system you have!

 

[CE3]

Simple! Just not slow enough panning! Think about it, 1sec. / 1 degree could be meters of panning and divided only by 24 frames. Try 1080p 50fps instead with slow panning! 4K 24fps is not easy for circular 360 degree panning and it doesn't matter what gimbal system you have!

 

[adam3544]

What shutter speed were you using? Rule of thumb is shutter speed should be roughly twice the video FPS. So 24p = 1/50, and 30p = 1/60. Going to faster shutter speeds will lead to jerky motion, and lower speeds will cause excessive motion blur. Go below 1:1, and you'll start to get choppy, as well.

Thank you for your excellent advice.

I changed the setup to 1/50 (PAL) and now the panning video with 20mm f.2.8 lens is much smoother.

Adam

 

[lacix]

..yeah, I must agree on that. And I own the MS1 gimbal system too, but its a long learning curve to use it right. The first video is very nicely shot! The second one is 50fps and still not as good.

I also have my own hand held shot 4K video here, which I stabilized in FCP later

So, Its lot of tricks to make it smooth (4K 24fps)

UBL

 

[adam3544]

..yeah, I must agree on that. And I own the MS1 gimbal system too, but its a long learning curve to use it right. The first video is very nicely shot! The second one is 50fps and still not as good.

I also have my own hand held shot 4K video here, which I stabilized in FCP later

So, Its lot of tricks to make it smooth (4K 24fps)

UBL

Wow, very smooth video. You need a lot of patience and determination to pan so slow.

Interestingly, does people apreiate your efforts.

What is FCP.

Thanks.

 

[lacix]

Thanks! (FCPX) is Final Cut Pro. its a movie editing software from Apple.

 

[adam3544]

What shutter speed were you using? Rule of thumb is shutter speed should be roughly twice the video FPS. So 24p = 1/50, and 30p = 1/60. Going to faster shutter speeds will lead to jerky motion, and lower speeds will cause excessive motion blur. Go below 1:1, and you'll start to get choppy, as well.

How do I revert to normal Automatic operation ?

Now, I can't make videos while other than Movie position. But at Movie position, I can't take pictures.

Thanks.

Adam

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